Charismatic Bible Studies - 2 Peter 1:5-11

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1 John 1:9 is the same as Acts 2:38. And 1 John 3:4-5 tells us which of the two types of sin it is that is taken out of our sin nature, leaving our nature clean/righteous. John 15:3.

While you promote 2 kinds of sin, some "OK", and some "not OK", the Bible speaks differently:

Romans 6:5-12 KJV
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Just "sin".

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

No parsing of sins, just "sin".

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

While you promote 2 kinds of sin, some "OK", and some "not OK", the Bible speaks differently:

Romans 6:5-12 KJV
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Just "sin".

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

No parsing of sins, just "sin".

Much love!

John sure knew who to testify of .
Mind if i ask a question .
HOW come so many are now testifying of a false love that implies it dont matter what ya beleive
what religoin ya in , we all serving GOD . cause a fat lie that one is .
MAY i suggest rather strongly we all flee the interfaith co exist all inclusive finding common ground LIE .
What pleased the FATHER .
well lets see what did paul write .
FOR IT PLEASED GOD that by PREACHING to SAVE those who BELEIVE . didnt say it pleased GOD to create an all inclusive
universalims that says it dont matter if they didnt believe . THAT IS THE LIE OF ANTI CHRIST
and as such i highly suggest we flee any church , any man , heck even an angel or talking donkey
that even dares to promote the interfaith interriilgious dialgoue LIE from anti christ .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

While you promote 2 kinds of sin, some "OK", and some "not OK", the Bible speaks differently:

Romans 6:5-12 KJV
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Just "sin".

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

No parsing of sins, just "sin".

Much love!

So then you believe we are automatically mature in all the fruit of the Spirit when we first become a born again Christian? Then you think that Peter in 2 Peter 1:5-11 and especially verse 8-9 teaches the maturity of all those in 5-7 are all matured at the same time?

"Sin is sin" came out of the Reformation. Revelation 3:1 These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.

One of the things that the RCC taught that the Reformers erased and are still erased today in most Protestant churches is the truth that the RCC taught that there are mortal sins (sins unto death) and venial sins (sins not unto death) that the apostle John teaches. One of the "dead" doctrine out of the Reformation is "sin is sin" causing us to believe we will not be free of sin until we die and receive our new bodies. Heresy! Why? Again, another error being taught is "flesh is flesh."

3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you.

In Romans Paul is teaching about the LAW vs SPIRIT, but not the fruit of the Spirit. John in 1 John 3:4 says "sin is lawlessness." Lawlessness is not immature fruit. I have not seen many Protestants that know the difference and end up falling away into doctrines of man or even demons. Demons want us to believe our righteousness is just imputed from Jesus, and not that Jesus actually takes lawlessness out of our nature. They even go so far as to teach we have two natures.

 

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So then you believe we are automatically mature in all the fruit of the Spirit when we first become a born again Christian? Then you think that Peter in 2 Peter 1:5-11 and especially verse 8-9 teaches the maturity of all those in 5-7 are all matured at the same time?

Where did I say this? I didn't. This is all over the map.

Much love!

 

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"Sin is sin" came out of the Reformation.

It comes from the Bible, as in the verses I quoted, and many more.

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Where did I say this? I didn't. This is all over the map.

Much love!

Immature fruit is still sin, but NOT UNTO DEATH. You implied you agree with the Reformationists that "sin is sin" and its not according to God, otherwise in the Old Testament breaking the commandments would have a sacrifice to cover them instead of stoning to death. That is like "flesh is flesh." No. One is the body and the other is of the heart.

Jesus called these doctrine errors from the Reformation as "dead."

 

[Behold]

1 John 1:9 is the same as Acts 2:38. And 1 John 3:4-5 tells us which of the two types of sin it is that is taken out of our sin nature, leaving our nature clean/righteous. John 15:3.

Peter says, in 2 Peter 1... that the born again have received the "divine nature", and that is true.

Paul says..."do not use your Liberty, (God's Grace), for an occasion to the Flesh".

That means......your flesh wants what it wants, and you are not to yield, even tho, you exist .."""not under the Law"", here...

= "where there is no LAW, there is no Transgression".

So, even tho God does not charge a born again Christian with Sin, (Roman 4:8). ( 2 Corin 5:19) as there is no LAW over them, as they are "not under the Law, but under GRACE", and becaues "God hath made Jesus to be sin" for the Born again....= Therefore, even tho the born again are made free from sin. and exist as "made righteous"........were are not to pursue "works of the flesh". (Carnal desires).

There are no sins unto death found "in Christ."

A Christian can never be parted from God's Spirit, having become "one with God". "In Christ" for eternity.

Now Adam, was parted from God spirituially, but the born again will never be, because Jesus is the Blood Atonement, and this is Eternal Redempion that can't end once the Believer has received it as "The Gift of Salvation".

See, the "new creation in Christ" was a lifelong sinner, 3 seconds before they became born AGAIN... AS A "new creation in Christ'.
So, we see that "while we were YET sinners".. Romans 5:8....we have been redeemed.
We were not redeemed after years of trying to be good, and we were not redeemed because we promised God we would be good later, if He would save us.
And that is God's Grace, that causes a lifelong sinner with faith in Christ, to instantly become a Righteous SAINT.........and this never changes.
Its "Eternal life" and this is also a "Gift" from God.

 

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Immature fruit is still sin,

Scripture? The Bible doesn't speak like this.

You implied you agree with the Reformationists that "sin is sin"

The Bible does not parse sins the way you do. Reformationists aside, I'm not arguing their view, I'm arguing from Scripture. Behold! The Lamb of God, Who carries away the sin of the world. Not some sin. Not this sort of sin, or that sort. The sin. Inclusive.

otherwise in the Old Testament breaking the commandments would have a sacrifice to cover them instead of stoning to death.

You've divided sins between wilfull and not willful, and claimed that the wilfull are to death, and the others are not. Yet even the OT doesn't divide sins that way, as stealing and lying could each be atoned, while each are wilfull, just for a quick example.

Even so, defining the New Covenant of forgiveness in Christ by the terms of the Old Covenant will only lead to error.

That is like "flesh is flesh." No. One is the body and the other is of the heart.

Not so. Flesh is a certain thing, not a certain property. "Fleshy" is a property, but flesh is a noun that names a certain thing. As I've shown in the past Scripture bears this out.

Jesus called these doctrine errors from the Reformation as "dead."

Interesting, since the reformation hadn't happened yet. Scripture please where Jesus did so?

I don't know why you keep addressing me, you know I'm going to ask for the Biblical support to what you say, and you do not seem to be providing that for whatever reason.

Much love!

 

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So then you believe we are automatically mature in all the fruit of the Spirit when we first become a born again Christian? Then you think that Peter in 2 Peter 1:5-11 and especially verse 8-9 teaches the maturity of all those in 5-7 are all matured at the same time?

You didn't answer where I said this. Nor did you acknowledge that I did not. What gives?

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Scripture? The Bible doesn't speak like this.

Immature fruit is what 2 Peter 1:5-7 is talking about. 2 Peter is part of the Bible in case you didn't know.

The Bible does not parse sins the way you do. Reformationists aside, I'm not arguing their view, I'm arguing from Scripture. Behold! The Lamb of God, Who carries away the sin of the world. Not some sin. Not this sort of sin, or that sort. The sin. Inclusive.

Do you believe that in 1 John 1:7 the sins that are automatically cleansed as we walk in the Spirit can be a sin unto death like murder, stealing, lying, or adultery?

You've divided sins between wilfull and not willful, and claimed that the wilfull are to death, and the others are not. Yet even the OT doesn't divide sins that way, as stealing and lying could each be atoned, while each are wilfull, just for a quick example.

Even so, defining the New Covenant of forgiveness in Christ by the terms of the Old Covenant will only lead to error.

Did you read Numbers 15:22-36? There is a sacrifice for unintentional sins that John calls sins not unto death. And no sacrifice for presumptuous sins against the laws of God, and they were stoned to DEATH.

Not so. Flesh is a certain thing, not a certain property. "Fleshy" is a property, but flesh is a noun that names a certain thing. As I've shown in the past Scripture bears this out.

So do you know of a "flesh" that is not our body? If so, what?

Interesting, since the reformation hadn't happened yet. Scripture please where Jesus did so?

I don't know why you keep addressing me, you know I'm going to ask for the Biblical support to what you say, and you do not seem to be providing that for whatever reason.

Revelation speaks of future events. Thyatira is the RCC and Orthodox (the two legs of iron in Daniel), and Sardis is the Reformation. Philadelphia is the latter rain. And Laodecia is now - the falling away. Just look at America voting in a Communist for President for the past four years.

You didn't answer where I said this. Nor did you acknowledge that I did not. What gives?

Here:

Just "sin".

1 John 5:16-17
16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

Numbers 15:22-36

 

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Immature fruit is what 2 Peter 1:5-7 is talking about. 2 Peter is part of the Bible in case you didn't know.

Yes, but it doesn't say what you say it does. If it did you'd quote it instead of just claiming it says that.

You won't stay on point, you don't quote Scripture to show your claims, this is going nowhere.

Have a great weekend!

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, but it doesn't say what you say it does. If it did you'd quote it instead of just claiming it says that.

You won't stay on point, you don't quote Scripture to show your claims, this is going nowhere.

Have a great weekend!

Much love!

You just won't look up the Scriptures I do post. That's frustrating and not my fault.

I'm done.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I think I do understand.

When we come to Christ, and are reborn, we are changed into a new creation, and God does not offer to change us back into the old creation. You cannot "unbirth" yourself, though it seems that you think you can. How would you even do that?

"Walking away", what does that mean? You aren't just going from one room to another. You've been remade, and not by yourself. So what would you do to unbirth yourself from God?

Much love!

I think I do understand.

When we come to Christ, and are reborn, we are changed into a new creation, and God does not offer to change us back into the old creation. You cannot "unbirth" yourself, though it seems that you think you can. How would you even do that?

"Walking away", what does that mean? You aren't just going from one room to another. You've been remade, and not by yourself. So what would you do to unbirth yourself from God?

Much love!

Anyone can walk away.
But no, some, such as myself ,can not.
It would not work for me.
My walk and relationship is non negotiable.
It is man's thinking and notions that believe someone can not depart from the faith.

Paul calls it "shipwrecked"
Paul committed a BELEVER to Satan for the destruction of the flesh "...so that in the end he might be saved"
You really think God winks at carnal believers?????
Osas is a weakness in weak believers.
It is the wild card to justify their weak carnal walk.
No "on fire believer" walking in God's favor would ever waste time debating their own salvation.
And yet osas believers have that item at the top of their thinking.
It is their passion to prove , with a certain array of verses, that they can not " lose their salvation "

Why would you not know what departing is?
There is no "rooms"
It is a covenant.
A covenant not broken by God, but man has the ability to depart.

If you can not...then you are a robot bound by a covenant.

The ability to depart HAS TO BE THERE.
Love that is forced is not Love.
He wants my love freely given to Him.
He wants me to want Him.

What a shame that has been reduced to a concept that God robotically make people saved and then they are trapped into forcefully serving Him, while their self serving mental existence of carnality actually has then questioning the relationship.
So now they are centered into " I am chosen, I had no say in the matter, and now no sin or carnality can separate me from heaven."

How much sin can a believer be immersed in before any sanctions?
What do you do with the verses opposing osas?
Osas is like a meter saying " I get a pass and God winks at my unloving self centered weak christianity"
All my security is in God's choosing me, therefore I have no chance of being shipwrecked as Paul declared.

Osas is diabolical