The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Ronald Nolette]

What in the world are you even talking about? Are you trying to deny what Galatians 3 verses 16 and 29 say?

No, just your interpretation of it.

As for Jacob and Isaac...have you never read this...

So are you saying God has revoked the eternal promises He made to the nation of Israel?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, just your interpretation of it.

How do you interpret them Galatians 3:16 and Galatians 3:29 exactly?

So are you saying God has revoked the eternal promises He made to the nation of Israel?

Of course not. Why do people on here ask other Christians if they think God doesn't keep His promises? It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to ask of other Christians. We all believe He keeps His promises, but we just don't have the same understanding of His promises and who His promises are made to sometimes. In my view, the way that God keeps His eternal promises made to Israel is by way of having His Son die for their sins while giving them all the opportunity for eternal life. What more can He do to keep His promises than that?

 

[Keraz]

So are you saying God has revoked the eternal promises He made to the nation of Israel?

God will keep His Promises to the true Israelites, who are His faithful people. Soon to become a proper country, In the new nation of Beulah -Isaiah 62:1-5 But for now - still scattered around the world.

He will also keep what His Prophets said about the House of Judah, and only a remnant of the Jews will survive.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How do you interpret them Galatians 3:16 and Galatians 3:29 exactly?


Of course not. Why do people on here ask other Christians if they think God doesn't keep His promises? It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to ask of other Christians. We all believe He keeps His promises, but we just don't have the same understanding of His promises and who His promises are made to sometimes. In my view, the way that God keeps His eternal promises made to Israel is by way of having His Son die for their sins while giving them all the opportunity for eternal life. What more can He do to keep His promises than that?

Well why don't you read the specific promises He made to Israel that concern far more than just their redemption. And you are implying that you have better understanding of how God keeps His promises than most others.

As for Gal. 3:16- I do not interpret it but accept it as written. It is not hard to understand.

Same with Gal. 3:29. Go read Gods promise to Abraham and you will see. His promise to Abraham is different than His promises to the nation of Israel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

God will keep His Promises to the true Israelites, who are His faithful people. Soon to become a proper country, In the new nation of Beulah -Isaiah 62:1-5 But for now - still scattered around the world.

He will also keep what His Prophets said about the House of Judah, and only a remnant of the Jews will survive.

So you go in and out of literal interpretation about Israel when it suits your own theories.

And sorry but Beulah is merely a description of Israel. If you had bothered to use rules of hermeneutics and basic grammar, you would see that Beulah is a description for the promised land and not a new nation.

Isaiah 62:4
Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the Lord delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

He is talking to ethnic Israel and describing the land beulah which means beuatiful.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well why don't you read the specific promises He made to Israel that concern far more than just their redemption. And you are implying that you have better understanding of how God keeps His promises than most others.

No, I'm saying that about Paul and I agree with Paul.

As for Gal. 3:16- I do not interpret it but accept it as written. It is not hard to understand.

LOL. So, why do you apply the promises to Abraham and his seed to anyone but Christ and those who belong to Christ? Do you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about? Do you think maybe Paul had a better understanding of the Old Testament prophecies than we do?

Same with Gal. 3:29. Go read Gods promise to Abraham and you will see. His promise to Abraham is different than His promises to the nation of Israel.

What promises are you talking about then? Is it too much trouble for you to be specific about anything?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, I'm saying that about Paul and I agree with Paul.

WEll you don't for Paul says ALL Israel in the future will be saved! Maybe you should read romans 9-11 more carefully.

LOL. So, why do you apply the promises to Abraham and his seed to anyone but Christ and those who belong to Christ? Do you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about? Do you think maybe Paul had a better understanding of the Old Testament prophecies than we do?

Cuz there were more than one promise made to Abraham. One is the Land of Israel which was confirmed to Isaac , then Jacob . It was an eternal promise- the land of Israel belongs to ethnic Israel and the saved of Israel before and after teh church will inherit that land.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

WEll you don't for Paul says ALL Israel in the future will be saved! Maybe you should read romans 9-11 more carefully.

You clearly need to read it more carefully because you have the wrong Israel in mind. It's the Israel of which not all of the nation of Israel is part (Romans 9:6-8) that is saved and will be saved!

Read my original post in this thread to learn more: All Israel will be saved!

Cuz there were more than one promise made to Abraham. One is the Land of Israel which was confirmed to Isaac , then Jacob . It was an eternal promise- the land of Israel belongs to ethnic Israel and the saved of Israel before and after teh church will inherit that land.

Do you have the same understanding that Abraham had when he realized that he was a stranger on this earth and he then looked forward to a heavenly country instead?

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[a] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. 13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You clearly need to read it more carefully because you have the wrong Israel in mind. It's the Israel of which not all of the nation of Israel is part (Romans 9:6-8) that is saved and will be saved!

Read my original post in this thread to learn more: All Israel will be saved!

It is all Jews in the all Israel that will be saved. it is the 1/3 who survive the tribulation. Zech13, Ez. 20 and Romans 11.

And if you kept your verse in context, you would know Paul was reffering to Ishmael and Esau and not the child of promise- Isaac!

You clearly need to read it more carefully because you have the wrong Israel in mind. It's the Israel of which not all of the nation of Israel is part (Romans 9:6-8) that is saved and will be saved!

Read my original post in this thread to learn more: All Israel will be saved!


Do you have the same understanding that Abraham had when he realized that he was a stranger on this earth and he then looked forward to a heavenly country instead?

Hebrews 11:8 By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. 9 By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God. 11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she[a] considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore. 13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

And God still made promises to the nation of Israel for a land- it will be theirs in the Millenninal kingdom here on earth.

Gentiles will have to send a representative to Jerusalem annually and offer sacrifices or their nation will suffer drought! Gentiles will observe the feast of tabernacles. Ultimately , after the Millennial kingdom on earth ends, we all live in the new Jerusalem which comes down to earth after the great white throne judgment.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is all Jews in the all Israel that will be saved. it is the 1/3 who survive the tribulation. Zech13, Ez. 20 and Romans 11.

And if you kept your verse in context, you would know Paul was reffering to Ishmael and Esau and not the child of promise- Isaac!

You're not even reading the passage carefully at all. He is contrasting natural descendants of Abraham with spiritual descendants of Abraham and saying that not all natural descendants of Abraham are spiritual descendants of Abraham.

Do you not know that all believers are children of the promise like Abraham and Isaac?

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Compare those to this...

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

And God still made promises to the nation of Israel for a land- it will be theirs in the Millenninal kingdom here on earth.

Do you think Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were mistaken when they said they were strangers on the earth and started looking for a heavenly country and city instead? Why do you just completely ignore scripture like Hebrews 11:8-16?

Gentiles will have to send a representative to Jerusalem annually and offer sacrifices or their nation will suffer drought!

LOL. Total nonsense not taught in scripture anywhere.

Gentiles will observe the feast of tabernacles.

This is horrific blasphemy! Animal sacrifices were done for the purpose of foreshadowing Christ's "once for all" sacrifice which made animal sacrifices obsolete forever! Reinstating animal sacrifices would be a serious offense to His "once for all" work on the cross!

 

[covenantee]

It is all Jews in the all Israel that will be saved. it is the 1/3 who survive the tribulation. Zech13, Ez. 20 and Romans 11.

And if you kept your verse in context, you would know Paul was reffering to Ishmael and Esau and not the child of promise- Isaac!

And God still made promises to the nation of Israel for a land- it will be theirs in the Millenninal kingdom here on earth.

Gentiles will have to send a representative to Jerusalem annually and offer sacrifices or their nation will suffer drought! Gentiles will observe the feast of tabernacles. Ultimately , after the Millennial kingdom on earth ends, we all live in the new Jerusalem which comes down to earth after the great white throne judgment.

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

More than once upon a time there was a father who, in his will, bequeathed his son 100 ounces of silver. He told his son of the bequest. Some time later, the father decided to update his will, and without telling his son, changed the bequest from 100 ounces of silver to 100 ounces of gold. Silver was valued at $30/ounce, and gold at $2000/ounce. Eventually, the father passed away, and the time for the reading of the will ensued. The bequest to the son of his 100 ounces of gold was read, whereupon he arose in fury, and accused his father of lying and not keeping his promise. He straightway marched down to the local coin shop and demanded that his gold be exchanged for silver. The shopkeeper eagerly granted his demand.

Christ bequeaths 100 ounces of gold.

Dispensationalism demands 100 ounces of silver.

Undoubtedly you can relate.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

More than once upon a time there was a father who, in his will, bequeathed his son 100 ounces of silver. He told his son of the bequest. Some time later, the father decided to update his will, and without telling his son, changed the bequest from 100 ounces of silver to 100 ounces of gold. Silver was valued at $30/ounce, and gold at $2000/ounce. Eventually, the father passed away, and the time for the reading of the will ensued. The bequest to the son of his 100 ounces of gold was read, whereupon he arose in fury, and accused his father of lying and not keeping his promise. He straightway marched down to the local coin shop and demanded that his gold be exchanged for silver. The shopkeeper eagerly granted his demand.

Scripture promises 100 ounces of gold.

Dispensationalism demands 100 ounces of silver.

Undoubtedly you can relate.

LOL. That is a great analogy which sums up dispensationalism really well.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

More than once upon a time there was a father who, in his will, bequeathed his son 100 ounces of silver. He told his son of the bequest. Some time later, the father decided to update his will, and without telling his son, changed the bequest from 100 ounces of silver to 100 ounces of gold. Silver was valued at $30/ounce, and gold at $2000/ounce. Eventually, the father passed away, and the time for the reading of the will ensued. The bequest to the son of his 100 ounces of gold was read, whereupon he arose in fury, and accused his father of lying and not keeping his promise. He straightway marched down to the local coin shop and demanded that his gold be exchanged for silver. The shopkeeper eagerly granted his demand.

Christ bequeaths 100 ounces of gold.

Dispensationalism demands 100 ounces of silver.

Undoubtedly you can relate.

Your next to the last line was pulled out of a filled septic tank.

And no I can not relate.

Once again the is written to jews and the better covenant is Jeremiah 31:33-37 which is directed specifically and solely to Israel. We gentiles are mere;ly partakers of many of the benefits but are not the recipients of the covenant as is spelled out in Gods word.

I enjoy my 100 ounces of God and silver both!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

LOL. Total nonsense not taught in scripture anywhere.

Zechariah 14:16

King James Version

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16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Sacrifices in the Kingdom – Israel My Glory

israelmyglory.org

maybe not in your scripture, but in gods inspired Word they will have to!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Zechariah 14:16​

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King James Version​

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16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Sacrifices in the Kingdom – Israel My Glory

israelmyglory.org

maybe not in your scripture, but in gods inspired Word they will have to!

This is blasphemy against the Word who came in the flesh!

You clearly have no understanding of this passage:

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your next to the last line was pulled out of a filled septic tank.

And no I can not relate.

Once again the is written to jews and the better covenant is Jeremiah 31:33-37 which is directed specifically and solely to Israel. We gentiles are mere;ly partakers of many of the benefits but are not the recipients of the covenant as is spelled out in Gods word.

I enjoy my 100 ounces of God and silver both!

You can't understand anything you read. The 100 ounces of gold in the analogy is only for those who are under the new covenant and you don't include yourself as part of the new covenant, so you will end up with only the 100 ounces of silver instead.

 

[covenantee]

Your next to the last line was pulled out of a filled septic tank.

And no I can not relate.

Once again the is written to jews and the better covenant is Jeremiah 31:33-37 which is directed specifically and solely to Israel. We gentiles are mere;ly partakers of many of the benefits but are not the recipients of the covenant as is spelled out in Gods word.

I enjoy my 100 ounces of God and silver both!

God isn't measured in ounces.

As expected, you reject God's Gold of Hebrews 8:6.

Thanks for the confirmation.

 

[covenantee]

Your next to the last line was pulled out of a filled septic tank.

And no I can not relate.

Once again the is written to jews and the better covenant is Jeremiah 31:33-37 which is directed specifically and solely to Israel. We gentiles are mere;ly partakers of many of the benefits but are not the recipients of the covenant as is spelled out in Gods word.

I enjoy my 100 ounces of God and silver both!

1 Corinthians 11
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Do you partake of the Lord's Supper?

If so, because you deny the New Covenant, you are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord, and eat and drink damnation to yourself.

And don't attempt to argue that it's only for the Jews, because the Corinthian church whom Paul was instructing was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

What's your explanation?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is blasphemy against the Word who came in the flesh!

You clearly have no understanding of this passage:

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. 7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. 8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

So Gods word is a blasphemy against God? WOW!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You can't understand anything you read. The 100 ounces of gold in the analogy is only for those who are under the new covenant and you don't include yourself as part of the new covenant, so you will end up with only the 100 ounces of silver instead.

Please stop trying to read my soul, you really suck at it! I am most certainly part of the New covenant. You have not been given the authority to decide who is and isn't part of the Body of Christ.