All who are not taken up to meet the Lord in the air when He comes will be left behind and killed.

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think you have misunderstood!

1.Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather

2.Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

3.Are the two men the same person? One is the flesh, one is the soul; one is sinner, one is Righteous.one is old, one is made New.

Did you read my post or not? You are not specifically addressing anything I said.

No, the two men are not the same. It's talking about one being bodily taken up to meet the Lord in the air and the other being left behind and killed, as I pointed out.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"FALSE"! How Long Will You Continue?

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Notice that he doesn't even attempt to address what I said in the original post. Very telling.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

These are 2 different people, one is a saved person, the other is an unbelieving person.
Scripturally there is only 2 kinds of people, the saved and the damned

Those damned are those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel. They perish as without the Lord of Life being their God, they have no life.

We are all of us born with physical life in this world, but only believers have an eternal spiritual life and are prepared and made ready for the life to come with God after their natural death.

My POV is the ones taken are taken away to destruction and death, and the ones who remain inherit the new earth and reign with Christ.
I take that also from the parable of the Tares where they are removed out of His kingdom.
When Christ returns all the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of the Lord and His Christ, so God is thoroughly cleaning house.

The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.

40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.

41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

*************
Psalm 24

The King of Glory and His Kingdom​

A Psalm of David.​

1 The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness,
The world and those who dwell therein.

2 For He has founded it upon the seas,
And established it upon the [a]waters.

3 Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord?
Or who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to an idol,
Nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive blessing from the Lord,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is Jacob, the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face. Selah

7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
Lift up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord of hosts,
He is the King of glory. Selah

It seems to me that Jesus is clearly only talking about what happens physically to the one taken and one left when He comes because He talks about that in the same context of what happened with the flood in Noah's day and what happened in Sodom in Lot's day. So, I don't think He had in mind what will happen at the judgment there.

 

[Scott Downey]

It seems to me that Jesus is clearly only talking about what happens physically to the one taken and one left when He comes because He talks about that in the same context of what happened with the flood in Noah's day and what happened in Sodom in Lot's day. So, I don't think He had in mind what will happen at the judgment there.

A part of their judgement is their being destroyed, at His second coming.
The wrath of God on them is a judgment of them.
The Day of vengeance of our God, I view as part of the judgment process.

 

[Scott Downey]

The "Day of Vengeance" is a significant biblical theme that appears in both the Old and New Testaments, often associated with God's judgment and justice. It is a day when God enacts retribution against His enemies and vindicates His people. This concept is deeply rooted in the prophetic literature and is integral to understanding the nature of divine justice and eschatology.

Topical Bible: The Day of Vengeance

It's not just passive destruction by fire of the ungodly when Christ returns, it is active wrath. He takes vengeance on them

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A part of their judgement is their being destroyed, at His second coming.
The wrath of God on them is a judgment of them.
The Day of vengeance of our God, I view as part of the judgment process.

But, again, Jesus was comparing physical things with physical things by comparing what will happen at His second coming with what happened in the flood in Noah's day and what happened in Sodom in Lot's day. I know that judgment occurs right after that, but I don't think that is in view in that particular passage. But, believe what you want.

 

[Davidpt]

"FALSE"! How Long Will You Continue?

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Apparently, here's some of the absurd nonsense one has to believe in order to be Amil.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


That this hour meant literally involves a literal 60 minutes. And at the beginning of this literal 60 minutes, Christ first raises all those that have done good, unto the resurrection of life. They are then each individually judged and rewarded, billions of them.

And before this literal 60 minutes is up, Christ then raises all that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Where they too are each individually judged then sentenced, in their case. And once this literal 60 minutes have expired, 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled. All of these things, including raising the righteous dead first, judging and rewarding each and everyone of them, then after that, raising the unrighteous dead next, judging and sentencing each and everyone of them, all within this same literal 60 minutes. LOL big time on this one!!!

No wonder some of us think Amil is the most absurd position one could possibly hold. Are Amils going to move the goalpost and insist this isn't meaning a literal 60 minutes after all?

If nothing else. Surely no unrighteous dead will be raised and judged until all of the unrighteous are dead first, nor until all of the righteous dead have been raised first, judged then rewarded. Trying to fit all that within a literal 60 minutes is absurd beyond reason.

But go ahead and continue believing your Amil nonsense, regardless. Fortunately, not all of us have lost our mind and think it's reasonable that a literal 60 minutes can be meant here.

 

[Davidpt]

Greetings again Truth7t7,

Refer again to Matthew 19:28 and 2 Timothy 4:1,6-8. In 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 the Kingdom on earth is established when Jesus returns and the end will occur at the end of this reign when Jesus will deliver the Kingdom to God, the Father:

1 Corinthians 15:24–28 (KJV): 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Also consider:
Revelation 5:9–10 (KJV): 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 20:4–6 (KJV): 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Kind regards
Trevor

Unfortunately, telling Amils to consider this or that is in vain. They are not going to do any such thing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Apparently, here's some of the absurd nonsense one has to believe in order to be Amil.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


That this hour meant literally involves a literal 60 minutes. And at the beginning of this literal 60 minutes, Christ first raises all those that have done good, unto the resurrection of life. They are then each individually judged and rewarded, billions of them.

And before this literal 60 minutes is up, Christ then raises all that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Where they too are each individually judged then sentenced, in their case. And once this literal 60 minutes have expired, 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled. All of these things, including raising the righteous dead first, judging and rewarding each and everyone of them, then after that, raising the unrighteous dead next, judging and sentencing each and everyone of them, all within this same literal 60 minutes. LOL big time on this one!!!

No wonder some of us think Amil is the most absurd position one could possibly hold. Are Amils going to move the goalpost and insist this isn't meaning a literal 60 minutes after all?

If nothing else. Surely no unrighteous dead will be raised and judged until all of the unrighteous dead all are all dead first, nor until all of the righteous dead have been raised first, judged then rewarded. Trying to fit all that within a literal 60 minutes is absurd beyond reason.

But go ahead and continue believing your Amil nonsense, regardless. Fortunately, not all of us have lost our minds and think it's reasonable that a literal 60 minutes can be meant here.

This is all apparently just a game or a circus to you. What's absurd is your understanding of Amil. You do nothing but misrepresent it over and over again. You have no understanding of it whatsoever. What makes you think you can speak for Amils when you are told by Amils repeatedly that you misrepresent what we believe? We know what we believe far better than you do. Why can't you get that through your head?

No Amil believes that the judgment takes pace within a literal 60 minutes, so why are you misrepresenting Amil like this? Are you just dishonest and evil or what? For you to do that so many times makes me think you are doing it on purpose.

Think about it like this. We all believe that there is a day and hour that Jesus will come in the future but no one knows when that day or hour will come, right? So, think about the hour of His coming. Once the hour comes and He has arrived, does everything associated with His coming at that point last for 60 minutes? Is that what it means to talk about the hour of His coming? No, right? So, why are you looking at John 5:28-29 that way or claiming that Amils are when that is not the case?

When talking about a coming hour it's talking about something happening once that time/hour arrives and then other things happen after that hour/time comes. There is nothing to suggest that once the hour/time of the resurrection of the dead comes then there is a 60 minute time limit for everything associated with His second coming to happen. There's no reason that eternity can't be ushered in shortly after the hour/time when Jesus comes and the dead are raised with the judgment then occurring after that in the realm of eternity. And the judgment WILL occur in the realm of eternity because heaven and earth, as we know them, will flee from His presence at that point and not be found (Revelation 20:11).

How about you stop misrepresenting Amil and address the original post of this thread?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Looks like no Premills have any interest in addressing anything I said in the original post in this thread. I'll assume that they agree with everything I said there then. No objections from them, apparently.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

A part of their judgement is their being destroyed, at His second coming.
The wrath of God on them is a judgment of them.
The Day of vengeance of our God, I view as part of the judgment process.

I agree with what you're saying. Yes, that is all part of their judgment. But, I just disagree that Jesus was referring to the judgment in Luke 17:26-37 in terms of when people are standing before Him on His throne/judgment seat and being judged by Him. It's just a minor point of disagreement.

 

[Davidpt]

This is all apparently just a game or a circus to you. What's absurd is your understanding of Amil. You do nothing but misrepresent it over and over again. You have no understanding of it whatsoever. What makes you think you can speak for Amils when you are told by Amils repeatedly that you misrepresent what we believe? We know what we believe far better than you do. Why can't you get that through your head?

No Amil believes that the judgment takes pace within a literal 60 minutes, so why are you misrepresenting Amil like this? Are you just dishonest and evil or what? For you to do that so many times makes me think you are doing it on purpose.

Think about it like this. We all believe that there is a day and hour that Jesus will come in the future but no one knows when that day or hour will come, right? So, think about the hour of His coming. Once the hour comes and He has arrived, does everything associated with His coming at that point last for 60 minutes? Is that what it means to talk about the hour of His coming? No, right? So, why are you looking at John 5:28-29 that way or claiming that Amils are when that is not the case?

When talking about a coming hour it's talking about something happening once that time/hour arrives and then other things happen after that hour/time comes. There is nothing to suggest that once the hour/time of the resurrection of the dead comes then there is a 60 minute time limit for everything associated with His second coming to happen. There's no reason that eternity can't be ushered in shortly after the hour/time when Jesus comes and the dead are raised with the judgment then occurring after that in the realm of eternity. And the judgment WILL occur in the realm of eternity because heaven and earth, as we know them, will flee from His presence at that point and not be found (Revelation 20:11).

How about you stop misrepresenting Amil and address the original post of this thread?

Oh I get it. When I reason through things in the same manner like @WPM does per Threads such as --Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+? --it's called misrepresenting Amil when I do the same thing here. But when @WPM does things like that, now all of a sudden things like this have nothing to do with misrepresenting anyone. That aside since there is no way possible to reason this with you since you are perfectly fine with @WPM doing things in that manner, but when I do things in that manner I get charged with misrepresenting Amil.

Obviously, there has to be a reason why the dead in Christ rise first. Otherwise, it shouldn't matter that when the saved dead rise, so do the unsaved rise with them. Except that is not how it goes down. The dead in Christ first. Why, though?
Why does it matter unless the reason is this? All the saved rise first in order to be judged and rewarded before any the lost are judged and rewarded. The reward for the lost being cast into the LOF. If not that, what is the logic as to why the saved have to rise first? Once again, there has to be a good reason, otherwise the dead in Christ shouldn't need to rise first. IOW, everyone, all the saved and lost should rise together, except they don't.

Amils argue that the same same hour the saved rise, so do the unsaved rise, and not a thousand years between their resurrections like Premil believe. Fair enough. So my point was this. That until all of the saved rise and are judged and rewarded, no unsaved person rises in the meantime. This alone making it impossible that the hour meant in John 5:28 is the same hour for both the saved and the lost. IOW, I'm not misrepresenting anyone. I'm simply illustrating how absurd it is to take the hour meant in John 5:28 to be the same hour involving the rising and judging of both the saved and the lost.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh I get it. When I reason through things in the same manner like @WPM does per Threads such as --Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+? --it's called misrepresenting Amil when I do the same thing here. But when @WPM does things like that, now all of a sudden things like this have nothing to do with misrepresenting anyone.

I have no idea of what you're talking about. Is it not true that you believe in 2 different days where believers will be glorified 1,000+ years apart? If he misrepresented your view, then explain how. I'm not okay with it if he did.

But, I'm talking about you misrepresenting Amil, which is a fact. We do NOT say that the judgment takes place in 60 minutes, so why make it as if we do?

That aside since there is no way possible to reason this with you since you are perfectly fine with @WPM doing things in that manner, but when I do things in that manner I get charged with misrepresenting Amil.

I'm not fine with anyone misrepresenting anyone's beliefs. You are being very vague here, so I have no idea of what you're even talking about.

Obviously, there has to be a reason why the dead in Christ rise first. Otherwise, it shouldn't matter that when the saved dead rise, so do the unsaved rise with them. Except that is not how it goes down. The dead in Christ first. Why, though?

You are so incredibly vague. Why can't you be more specific? Are you referring to 1 Thessalonians 4:16 here, which has nothing to do with the order of resurrections, but rather with the order of events that take place in relation to believers when Jesus comes? Or are you just talking about the dead in Christ rising first before the unsaved dead do?

Why does it matter unless the reason is this? All the saved rise first in order to be judged and rewarded before any the lost are judged and rewarded.

What is your point? In terms of people being judged, there are several scripture passages which show the saved and the lost being judged at generally the same time. Maybe the saved are judged first and then the unsaved, but it's all part of one event. But, in my view, it happens in eternity, so the order of things is not really an issue at all in eternity. Things can happen at the same time in eternity since there is no time in eternity, or at least not as we know it now.

The reward for the lost being cast into the LOF. If not that, what is the logic as to why the saved have to rise first?

What? I'm not understanding your point here. Can you try to clarify it?

Once again, there has to be a good reason, otherwise the dead in Christ shouldn't need to rise first. IOW, everyone, all the saved and lost should rise together, except they don't.

Okay, now I see what you're asking. This is very simple from the Amil point of view. The order of events at the second coming is that the dead in Christ are resurrected and changed to have immortal bodies and then they, along with those who are alive and remain, are caught up to meet Christ in the air. At that point Jesus takes vengeance on the unsaved left on the earth by sending fire down on them. That is described in 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12 and Revelation 20:9. Then the unsaved dead are resurrected. Then eternity is ushered in and the judgment takes place.

Up until eternity is ushered in, everything that happens will happen very quickly. At least in my view. I base that on how quickly (in a moment) that we will be changed (1 Cor 15:51-52).

Amils argue that the same same hour the saved rise, so do the unsaved rise, and not a thousand years between their resurrections like Premil believe.

Right.

Fair enough. So my point was this. That until all of the saved rise and are judged and rewarded, no unsaved person rises in the meantime.

What is that based on? Where is the scripture that speaks of an event that only involves resurrected saved people being judged? We have several scripture passages which show both the saved and unsaved being judged at the same time (Daniel 12:1-2, Matt 13:36-43, Matt 13:47-50, Matt 25:31-46), so why would the dead saved be resurrected and judged/rewarded before the unsaved dead are resurrected and judged?

This alone making it impossible that the hour meant in John 5:28 is the same hour for both the saved and the lost.

That would be true only if scripture taught that those who are saved are not judged at the same time as the lost, but it doesn't.

Feel free to respond to what I said here, of course, but can you please also address what I said in the original post? So far no Premill has done so, which is quite interesting.

 

[WPM]

Oh I get it. When I reason through things in the same manner like @WPM does per Threads such as --Surely Premils must invent 2 future glorifications days and 2 future raptures separated by 1000 years+? --it's called misrepresenting Amil when I do the same thing here. But when @WPM does things like that, now all of a sudden things like this have nothing to do with misrepresenting anyone. That aside since there is no way possible to reason this with you since you are perfectly fine with @WPM doing things in that manner, but when I do things in that manner I get charged with misrepresenting Amil.

Obviously, there has to be a reason why the dead in Christ rise first. Otherwise, it shouldn't matter that when the saved dead rise, so do the unsaved rise with them. Except that is not how it goes down. The dead in Christ first. Why, though?
Why does it matter unless the reason is this? All the saved rise first in order to be judged and rewarded before any the lost are judged and rewarded. The reward for the lost being cast into the LOF. If not that, what is the logic as to why the saved have to rise first? Once again, there has to be a good reason, otherwise the dead in Christ shouldn't need to rise first. IOW, everyone, all the saved and lost should rise together, except they don't.

Amils argue that the same same hour the saved rise, so do the unsaved rise, and not a thousand years between their resurrections like Premil believe. Fair enough. So my point was this. That until all of the saved rise and are judged and rewarded, no unsaved person rises in the meantime. This alone making it impossible that the hour meant in John 5:28 is the same hour for both the saved and the lost. IOW, I'm not misrepresenting anyone. I'm simply illustrating how absurd it is to take the hour meant in John 5:28 to be the same hour involving the rising and judging of both the saved and the lost.

Where did i misrepresent the dilemma that premillennialist face in the thread? You're always quick to make sweating teams but slow to come up with actual evidence.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where did i misrepresent the dilemma that premillennialist face in the thread? You're always quick to make sweating teams but slow to come up with actual evidence.

Right. He expected me to agree with him that you supposedly misrepresented Premill in that thread without even explaining how you misrepresented it. Is it too much trouble for him to actually explain what he's talking about? We should just take his word for it? I just don't get him at all.

 

[Truth7t7]

Greetings again Truth7t7,

Refer again to Matthew 19:28 and 2 Timothy 4:1,6-8. In 1 Corinthians 15:23-24 the Kingdom on earth is established when Jesus returns and the end will occur at the end of this reign when Jesus will deliver the Kingdom to God, the Father:

1 Corinthians 15:24–28 (KJV): 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Also consider:
Revelation 5:9–10 (KJV): 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Revelation 20:4–6 (KJV): 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Kind regards
Trevor

Your claim is "False"

When Jesus returns the resurrection takes place, mortal becomes immortal as the last enemy death is destroyed (The End) of this physical world, at this time the Kingdom is handed over to the father in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem all in "the twinkling of an eye"

Kind regards
Truth7t7

 

[Davidpt]

The following supports what I'm arguing that none of the unsaved dead can rise and be judged until all of the saved have risen and have been judged first.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.


The above should be understood like such.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

and the time of the dead---And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life(John 5:29)--- that they should be judged(Romans 14:10)--- and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great

and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail---(the timing is involving Revelation 16:17-21 and not Revelation 20:11-15 instead). That's how ch 11 ends. None of it, not even verse 18, has to do with Revelation 20:11-15. The vials of wrath are still taking place after the 7th trumpet has sounded. And verse 19 proves it by comparing to Revelation 16, not Revelation 20.

How can it be the time for involving the judging of the lost dead(Revelation 20:11-15) when the 7th trumpet sounds, when Revelation 11:19 does not support that?

 

[Truth7t7]

Apparently, here's some of the absurd nonsense one has to believe in order to be Amil.

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


That this hour meant literally involves a literal 60 minutes. And at the beginning of this literal 60 minutes, Christ first raises all those that have done good, unto the resurrection of life. They are then each individually judged and rewarded, billions of them.

And before this literal 60 minutes is up, Christ then raises all that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Where they too are each individually judged then sentenced, in their case. And once this literal 60 minutes have expired, 1 Corinthians 15:28 is fulfilled. All of these things, including raising the righteous dead first, judging and rewarding each and everyone of them, then after that, raising the unrighteous dead next, judging and sentencing each and everyone of them, all within this same literal 60 minutes. LOL big time on this one!!!

No wonder some of us think Amil is the most absurd position one could possibly hold. Are Amils going to move the goalpost and insist this isn't meaning a literal 60 minutes after all?

If nothing else. Surely no unrighteous dead will be raised and judged until all of the unrighteous are dead first, nor until all of the righteous dead have been raised first, judged then rewarded. Trying to fit all that within a literal 60 minutes is absurd beyond reason.

But go ahead and continue believing your Amil nonsense, regardless. Fortunately, not all of us have lost our mind and think it's reasonable that a literal 60 minutes can be meant here.

God's word clearly defines how long the resurrection and final judgement will take, in the twinkling of an eye

Your ignorant of the fact that when the 7th Trump sounds "time ceases to exist" eternity begins

Conclusion: You're ignorant of biblical facts, the egg is on your face

1 Coronthians 15:52KJV
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation 10:5-7KJV
5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.