Limited atonement is a false gospel

[Lizbeth]

Before you even come to understand God’s Love....then our spirit must be Born Again...that’s when I received the love of God into my heart....as the scripture that I posted confirms..

I have no idea what you are trying to relay here...His Living Testimony is what abides in me...

My entrance into the Love Of God came...when he decided to give birth to my spirit....the Spirit of God is Pure Love..I know that, by Gods s Living testimony....who indwells my spirit.

I'm glad you have received and experience the love of God sister, He is so gracious and merciful. The word of God also speaks of fullness and maturity in terms of ripened fruit. Which is not for our eating per se, but for the eating and benefit of others. That is a picture of the love of God overflowing the brim to others. And that is a love that costs us, just as it cost Jesus. By their fruits you will know them.

 

[Lizbeth]

I was a little mouse for many many years...wouldn’t say boo to a goose..no further comment..

ok, so that explains why you seem to have a lot to get out of your system, lol. But we need to die out to that at some point and keep growing past it, once we realize it's a dead-end road. That is like a boil that has been lanced, and once the pus has drained away maybe the light and fresh air can get at it so it can finally heal.

 

[amigo de christo]

More importantly, the Shepherd knows each individual sheep and their personal name.

Isn't it great that Jesus's sheep hear His voice communicating with them personally as He calls them by name. The Shepherd therefore knows His sheep (virgins) and will never say to these, I never knew you.

A simple test to reassure us that we are His sheep is to ask, does Jesus communicate with us directly and personally.

Most Christians I've interacted with know of Jesus from second hand information they have read or heard but not a first hand experience of the Shepherd.

Their claim of knowing Jesus is not experiential but theoretical. Again, more hearsay not direct from the indwelling Spirit, His Spirit interacting with our spirit.

They will say, but we have the bible now, so that's all we need. But the bible doesn't have a personal relationship with us, it doesn't know my name. The living Spirit does.

for many do cliam to know the bible and yet its quite clear they do not . FOR many KNOW NOT HE who inspired it .
Many do follow another jesus in these last hours . it is a jesus
that has come to unify christendom , it will accept sins , it will accept unbeleif , and its goal is to get all
unequally yoked , finding common ground with darkness so as it can finish them off to the lie
it has long spoken , even since the days of john and of paul it has been at work to Decieve .
But in this last hour through deceptive schemes of men and of the dark one , it has infiltrated the hearts of many .
And it will take ALL not in the lambs book of life captive to THE LIE that it calleth love
and through that love has made the road to , what it cliams is GOD , VERY DARN braod .
IT will kiss korans in the name of peace , it will holler lies to cause this people to merge
under what they all will see as , beleive is , GOD and HIS LOVE . only ITS the dragon sister .AND VERY WISE and SUBTILE HE is
Only the lambs can and do overcome them . FOR greater IS HE within the sheep than he that is in the world .
THEY are of the world and thus they will and do hear it .
Its love has brought them to great rebellion and will lead them into greater rebellion
till their hatred becomes more than just words against the sheep , TILL their words become laws and actions against the sheep .
Something very wicked cometh and now even is . We must not fear man , nor hope one bit in these earthen kingdoms
or these poltiicains , nor in many who even sit in wool and lead this people to the lie .

 

[Ritajanice]

ok, so that explains why you seem to have a lot to get out of your system, lol.

Here you go again, Sister..accusations flying.

But we need to die out to that at some point and keep growing past it,

Oh dear...seriously take a good look at what you need to grow out of.

Grow out of what..?..according to you I need to grow out of voicing my opinion/ belief..no..it won't be happening..take a good look at your own stance..Sister.

once we realize it's a dead-end road. That is like a boil that has been lanced, and once the pus has drained away maybe the light and fresh air can get at it so it can finally heal.

Oh dear..here we go again..maybe it’s you that needs healing Sister...when all the pus has drained away,LOL.

I’ve been healed years ago...I’m standing on the word of God.and will continue to do so.

I can’t believe that pus and healing has now come into the equation ,can you believe that..LOL....you aren’t and never will be my spiritual leader Sister...you don’t talk the language that I understand..sorry..no hard feelings..

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes sister, but that scripture doesn't nullify other scriptures does it.....we need to spiritually discern.

The dark king , the prince and father of lies , IT IS HE who does just that sister .
HE uses scrip to nullify the truth , to make void , to bring a lie , to dishonor THE SON , to dishonor the FATHER .
The TRUTH does no such thing .
TRUTH can only testify of TRUTH .
Something very dark sits the throne and hearts of many now . Something wicked this way comes
and even now is it in the world . BUT IT WILL COME in the name of what it claims is love and of GOD
and it will bring its solution to fruit and many will eat of it but meet their end in peridtion .
Something has been allowed to have power to influence the nations and to give power and rise to the beast .
A seat has been given . and power is being given . IT IS NOT OF GOD
but it surely can claim it is . For years it has been at work .
To the lost it simply seemed and seems as though its loving , its kind , it desires only good for humanity
and can bring them peace on earth . BUT ITS A LIAR and the FATHER OF IT .
IT is not here to save man , BUT TO DESTROY MAN by seducing their flesh and lustful hearts desire .
I NEVER SEen a delusoin like the one i am seeing now sister . ITS wickedly wise and highly clever.
BUT THANKS BE TO GOD and TO HIS CHRIST by HIS grace we can see RIGHT THROUGH IT .
but the decieved cannot . TO THEM it simply is the voice of GOD working through what they see as loving men and women .
ITS A Liar Sister . to us we know its of satan , but to the lost they are merging as one under it
beleiving it is love , loving and OF GOD and GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Here you go again, Sister..accusations flying.

Oh dear...seriously take a good look at what you need to grow out of.

Grow out of what..?..according to you I need to grow out of voicing my opinion/ belief..no..it won't be happening..take a good look at your own stance..Sister.

Oh dear..here we go again..maybe it’s you that needs healing Sister...when all the pus has drained away,LOL.

I’ve been healed years ago...I’m standing on the word of God.and will continue to do so.

I can’t believe that pus and healing has come into the equation ,can you believe that..LOL....you aren’t and never will be my spiritual leader Sister...you don’t talk the language that I understand..sorry..

Something very dark and sinistir has come upon much of christendom .
To them the see and beleive only that it is love and loving and desires good for them .
But beware its a liar . It is the great seducer , the very adversary of the brethren .
IT can say GOD IS LOVE but knows HIM NOT .
Something very wicked sits the thrones of the hearts of men . To them it just seems loving
it seems to be LOVE , they beleive its the voice of GOD as they heed its many co helpers in wool .
It behaves as though it desires only good for humanity
and has seduced and tricked many into finding common ground with darkness .
Its solution is a lie , but they beleive it will usher in world peace and safety , peace in the middle east .
The falling away is great now and yet they beleive its the awakening . THEY see it as the latter rain
they so beleive is coming . But it is the voice of the liar and of the father of lies
promising them peace n safety . BUT IT IS LEADING THEM all to the day of sudden destruction .

 

[Lizbeth]

I can’t believe that pus and healing has now come into the equation ,can you believe that..LOL

I was a nurse for many years. God does heal that way sister, it is not a strange concept, sometimes its part of the journey.

you don’t talk the language that I understand..sorry..

Agree.

 

[Ritajanice]

Something very dark and sinistir has come upon much of christendom .
To them the see and beleive only that it is love and loving and desires good for them .
But beware its a liar . It is the great seducer , the very adversary of the brethren .
IT can say GOD IS LOVE but knows HIM NOT .
Something very wicked sits the thrones of the hearts of men . To them it just seems loving
it seems to be LOVE , they beleive its the voice of GOD as they heed its many co helpers in wool .
It behaves as though it desires only good for humanity
and has seduced and tricked many into finding common ground with darkness .
Its solution is a lie , but they beleive it will usher in world peace and safety , peace in the middle east .
The falling away is great now and yet they beleive its the awakening . THEY see it as the latter rain
they so beleive is coming . But it is the voice of the liar and of the father of lies
promising them peace n safety . BUT IT IS LEADING THEM all to the day of sudden destruction .

Apparently I have a boil, where the pus needs to be drained then it can be healed LOL.

In other word your dearest Sister thinks I’m in need of healing..LOL....oh my word..you couldn’t make this stuff up, no matter how much we tried..that is not my kind of language that I understand.

 

[Ritajanice]

I was a nurse for many years. God does heal that way sister, it is not a strange concept,

It is a very strange concept to me, Sister..God has healed the damaged parts of my emotions..from within..

sometimes its part of the journey.

You may have been a nurse..I just thank God that you weren’t my nurse a few weeks back..because if you had known who I was..who knows what you would have done..LOL.

Agree.

Yes..for once we agree..I had a friend like you, who taught as you do..we had to part ways..as I could not tolerate her control that she tried to dominate over me( her way of teaching) @Lizbeth a controlling spirit..I think it’s called..hers certainly needed dealing with and only God can deal with her.

 

[Lizbeth]

It is a very strange concept to me, Sister..God has healed the damaged parts of my emotions..from within..

God heals in more than one way sister and sometimes in stages. If it is the case that you are completely healed, then you may be without excuse for your behaviour. Whatever the reason, it's not good fruit..........something there needs to be brought to the cross and it hasn't been yet. I've heard you say more than once that you never need to repent of anything since you already repented when you were born again........that might be the reason.

Yes..for once we agree..I had a friend like you, who taught as you do..we had to part ways..as I could not tolerate her control that she tried to dominate over me( her way of teaching) @Lizbeth a controlling spirit..I think it’s called..hers certainly needed dealing with and only God can deal with her.

Well that is your perception, and we all do have things we need God to deal with. I drop in when I feel I have something helpful to say and bring it to the table, like everyone does on a forum.

 

[Ritajanice]

God heals in more than one way sister and sometimes in stages.

All according to your belief...you weren’t there when he healed my emotions..

If it is the case that you are completely healed, then you may be without excuse for your behaviour. Whatever the reason, it's not good fruit.

Take a good look at your own fruit. On your own posts ..hypocrite that you are

.........something there needs to be brought to the cross and it hasn't been yet. I've heard you say more than once that you never need to repent of anything since you already repented when you were born again........that might be the reason.


Well that is your perception, and we all do have things we need God to deal with. I drop in when I feel I have something helpful to say and bring it to the table, like everyone does on a forum.

God heals in more than one way sister and sometimes in stages.

All according to you...which I don’t agree with.

If it is the case that you are completely healed, then you may be without excuse for your behaviour.

Nothing wrong with my behaviour check out your own and a few others on this thread who agree with your belief.

Whatever the reason, it's not good fruit.

Take note then.and a few others also...you aren’t my judge , Sister..

.........something there needs to be brought to the cross and it hasn't been yet

Take note again..take your controlling behaviour towards me and my belief..and leave it at the foot of the cross.

. I've heard you say more than once that you never need to repent of anything since you already repented when you were born again........that might be the reason.

Correct..I’m being conformed into Jesus image..and there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ...the Spirit is conforming me into Jesus image.....you just keep track of your own controlling behaviour as I explained above..before you see the speck in your sisters eye..take a good look at the plank in your own.

Your words that try to play on people’s emotions..don’t work on me, Sister.

Well that is your perception, and we all do have things we need God to deal with. I drop in when I feel I have something helpful to say and bring it to the table, like everyone does on a forum.

I find that you drop in and force your own belief onto me...a lot of the time...that will never happen.

You are not my spiritual leader...

Have a nice day you check out your behaviour as well as a few others and I will do the same.

You used to accuse Epi also of his behaviour..yet are blinded to your own behaviour on posts...open your ears and open your eyes...your behaviour and words are appalling at times...on posts..go back and reread them..

I can’t believe your hypocrisy..scolding me for my behaviour..oh my..you sure missed your own posts and a few others unfruitful posts along the way....you are so predictable in how you accuse the brethren who don’t agree with your way of teaching..you did the same with Epi...

I am a lovely, loved child of God and you will NEVER convince me otherwise...go and play your mind and emotional games elsewhere.....I pray that you are finished with your patronising..that you are obviously blinded to..good day.

 

[One 2 question]

Here we have scripture against limited atonement.

Luke 19:10 (RSV) For the Son of man came to seek and to save the lost. (cf. “sinners”: Matt 9:13; Mk 2:17; Lk 5:32; 1 Tim 1:15)

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.

John 4:42 They said to the woman, “It is no longer because of your words that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this is indeed the Savior of the world.”

John 6:33 For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven, and gives life to the world.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.

John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

John 12:31-33 “Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out; [32] and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.” [33] He said this to show by what death he was to die.

John 12:46-47 I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness. [47] If any one hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.

John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so thatthe world may believe that thou hast sent me. (cf. 17:23)

There is a lot of evidence from within the bible that Christ's atonement is made available to everyone, from the time of His resurrection and ascension to now.

Yet those who recognise what this Lamb of God actually did for them is a limited number.

Who has the ability to acknowledge and accept? Only those whose eyes and ears are opened someone said.

Whose responsibility or ability is it to decide to accept Christ's substitutionary death?

God or human? Or both?

 

[Ritajanice]

There is a lot of evidence from within the bible that Christ's atonement is made available to everyone, from the time of His resurrection and ascension to now.

Yet those who recognise what this Lamb of God actually did for them is a limited number.

Who has the ability to acknowledge and accept? Only those whose eyes and ears are opened someone said.

Whose responsibility or ability is it to decide to accept Christ's substitutionary death?

God or human? Or both?

Sorry, my friend. Not understanding...yet...maybe later.

 

[One 2 question]

You do not understand God's foreknowledge.

In the days of Noah, did God know (foreknowledge) that there was going to be a flood on the earth?

If so what did God do?

 

[One 2 question]

And yet any Gentile who was willing could join with Israel by entering the old covenant and have the atonement applied to them.

Propitiation for the sins of the world means as opposed to Israel only....it was and is available to the Gentile nations of the world, whosoever was and is willing of them.

The bible says we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God". God foreknew who would receive Christ from before we were created. It's not an easy thing to understand His sovereignty, and how much of His rule and reign is based on His foreknowledge. He gives both man and devil a lot of leeway to exercise their will and yet He remains sovereign over it all.

Was the ark which God designed and had Noah build large enough to hold all humans and animals?

If not, than why not? Was that according to His foreknowledge? I mean, He knew how many animals would come to the ark and hop on?

Did God know beforehand how many humans would be boarding the ark?

 

[Lizbeth]

All according to your belief...you weren’t there when he healed my emotions..

Take a good look at your own fruit. On your own posts ..hypocrite that you are


All according to you...which I don’t agree with.


Nothing wrong with my behaviour check out your own and a few others on this thread who agree with your belief.

Take note then.and a few others also...you aren’t my judge , Sister..

Take note again..take your controlling behaviour towards me and my belief..and leave it at the foot of the cross.

Correct..I’m being conformed into Jesus image..and there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ...the Spirit is conforming me into Jesus image.....you just keep track of your own controlling behaviour as I explained above..before you see the speck in your sisters eye..take a good look at the plank in your own.

Your words that try to play on people’s emotions..don’t work on me, Sister.

I find that you drop in and force your own belief onto me...a lot of the time...that will never happen.

You are not my spiritual leader...

Have a nice day you check out your behaviour as well as a few others and I will do the same.

You used to accuse Epi also of his behaviour..yet are blinded to your own behaviour on posts...open your ears and open your eyes...your behaviour and words are appalling at times...on posts..go back and reread them..

I can’t believe your hypocrisy..scolding me for my behaviour..oh my..you sure missed your own posts and a few others unfruitful posts along the way....you are so predictable in how you accuse the brethren who don’t agree with your way of teaching..you did the same with Epi...

I am a lovely, loved child of God and you will NEVER convince me otherwise...go and play your mind and emotional games elsewhere.....I pray that you are finished with your patronising..that you are obviously blinded to..good day.

Have you been in contact with Epi lately sister. It's funny you should mention him, I was thinking the last couple of days that you remind me of him at times.

Repentance is kind of the best kept secret in Christendom, as I see it. To me a Christian without a conscience seems like an anomaly, a contradiction. Godly sorrow leads to repentance......maybe it is possible for reasons known to God, but I can't think how a believer with the Spirit indwelling could not experience Godly sorrow and a pricked conscience when we do wrong. There is a lovely scripture that says, if we CONFESS our sins to Him He will be faithful and just to forgive us and CLEANSE us, and it is so true. This is even why we need to examine ourselves before partaking of the body and blood of our Lord...there is power to cleanse, and cleanse afresh, when we partake of the altar of the Lamb of God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Have you been in contact with Epi lately sister. It's funny you should mention him, I was thinking the last couple of days that you remind me of him at times.

Repentance is kind of the best kept secret in Christendom, as I see it. To me a Christian without a conscience seems like an anomaly, a contradiction. Godly sorrow leads to repentance......maybe it is possible for reasons known to God, but I can't think how a believer with the Spirit indwelling could not experience Godly sorrow and a pricked conscience when we do wrong. There is a lovely scripture that says, if we CONFESS our sins to Him He will be faithful and just to forgive us and CLEANSE us, and it is so true. This is even why we need to examine ourselves before partaking of the body and blood of our Lord...there is power to cleanse, and cleanse afresh, when we partake of the altar of the Lamb of God.

Good bye Lizbeth...I have no interest in what you post..you don’t speak my language....enjoy the rest of your day...I’m off to my seer topic...I like stimulating talk and talk that edifies others...if you quote me again..I won’t be answering as I’m putting you on ignore...just so you know...tooddle pip...

 

[Lizbeth]

Was the ark which God designed and had Noah build large enough to hold all humans and animals?

If not, than why not? Was that according to His foreknowledge? I mean, He knew how many animals would come to the ark and hop on?

Did God know beforehand how many humans would be boarding the ark?

The ark is an allegory for Christ and the gospel.....not to be taken too literally. All those animals represented lost souls......like Peter's vision of the unclean animals. The ark was open to all (as I don't think Noah being the preacher of righteousness only preached to a chosen few) but not all were willing to get on board. There is nothing "limited" about the cross of Christ......His voice has gone out to all the earth......it is people themselves who are the limiting factor. The term "limited atonement" is not helpful, but misleading....it's a term not found in the bible, so we have no obligation to it whatsoever.

 

[One 2 question]

I was more asking WHY it is limited to the Elect? Why are they elected in particular and not others?

Only God knows the answer to that question, I just know that I’m one of the elect.Born Of The Spirit..Born Again Of imperishable seed?

God has chosen out a bride for His Son to rule with Him in His time limited kingdom reign. His bride is made up of a limited number, it's exclusive, only a few, which He's elected.

Yet in the Father's following kingdom He has no such limit. Jesus atonement, which is available to ALL will be accepted by ALL. Why? Because God is not willing that any should perish but that ALL be reconciled to Himself so that He is ALL in ALL.

God's objectives and goals for the 2 kingdoms require 2 different means and approaches.

 

[Lizbeth]

Good bye Lizbeth...I have no interest in what you post..you don’t speak my language....enjoy the rest of your day...I’m off to my seer topic...I like stimulating talk and talk that edifies others...if you quote me again..I won’t be answering as I’m putting you on ignore...just so you know...toddle pip...

No problem, bye for now sister. I find everything in the word of God to be edifying.