All Israel will be saved!

[WPM]

Amils lack of scriptural understanding is a wonder of ignorance:

1)Israel will go through a series of successful judgements that will eradicate all non believing jews and restore faith in the Messiah to the elect jews.( Joel 2:32)

2)Two thirds of Israel will be destroyed by judgement.(Zech 13:8)

3)Half of Jerusalem will be destroyed.(Zech 14:2)

4)The remaining one third elect jews will cry "blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" and repent to have faith in Jesus Christ (Matt 23:39)

5)And so all Israel shall be saved (Rom11:26)

Why do you avoid the Amil rebuttals? Because you have no sensible refutation. That is because the Amil case is watertight.

 

[Keraz]

Sadly, Keraz's understanding of how God will achieve this is not biblically sound. Neither is Spiritual Israelite's understanding sound, as to how the end times will play out.

You mean: what we post does not conform to Jay Ross's beliefs.

As I've said many times. You are so ignorant. You can't even understand what Amills believe. We believe 2 Peter 3:10-12 describes what will happen on the day Jesus returns AFTER the Millennium.

I well know you foolish and unsupported belief of the Millennium now. It is so plainly wrong, it barely deserves acknowledgment.

2 Peter 3 talks about what will happen on the day Jesus Christ returns.

2 Peter 3:7, is about the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal.
2 Peter 3:10-11 refers to the final Judgment and the new Earth; verse 13
NOTHING of Peters Prophecy belongs at the Glorious Return.

, you think Jesus will use a literal sword coming out of His mouth to slay His enemies

Most Bible versions say: the Sword of His Word.
What Rev19 does make clear, is that no fire is used to kill the armies at Armageddon. Your belief of it all happening at the Return, is error, made upon errors.

@shepherdsword - I would have 'liked' you post, but you have the wrong impression of a 1/3rd Jewish redemption, The refining process of Zech 13, will leave only a remnant. As Paul says; Romans 9:27

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I well know you foolish and unsupported belief of the Millennium now. It is so plainly wrong, it barely deserves acknowledgment.

This was a good thread until you derailed it with your foolish and completely unsupported belief of a future Millennium.

2 Peter 3:7, is about the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; the Sixth Seal.
2 Peter 3:10-11 refers to the final Judgment and the new Earth; verse 13
NOTHING of Peters Prophecy belongs at the Glorious Return.

This shows your complete lack of discernment. You're trying to say that a verse about the heavens and the earth being destroyed by fire is not the same event as other verses that were written shortly after about the heavens and the earth being destroyed by fire? LOL. How can you think you should be taken seriously when you believe such utter nonsense?

Do you also say that this passage is not about Christ's glorious return, either, then?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Most Bible versions say: the Sword of His Word.

It refers to a sword coming out of His mouth. You take that literally?

What Rev19 does make clear, is that no fire is used to kill the armies at Armageddon. Your belief of it all happening at the Return, is error, made upon errors.

How are they killed then exactly?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do you avoid the Amil rebuttals? Because you have no sensible refutation. That is because the Amil case is watertight.

Like most Premills, he's all talk and no substance. All eisegesis and no exegesis.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are making things up here that are not taught anywhere in scripture.

So, what you are claiming in your rebuttal is that Exodus 20:4-6, Daniel 8, Rom 11:25b-26 and Ezekiel 34:11-16 & 36:22-38 cannot be found in scripture and are therefore not taught.

It seems to me that you do not understand the context of what I have posted. As for Keraz's understanding, I have stop pointing out his errors to him. As for your errors in interpretation of the scriptures, I do not think that you should be throwing any stones at all.

 

[Jay Ross]

You mean: what we post does not conform to Jay Ross's beliefs.

Keraz, this statement is very true just like your posts do not conform to what the ancient scripture have recorded in them.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So, what you are claiming in your rebuttal is that Exodus 20:4-6, Daniel 8, Rom 11:25b-26 and Ezekiel 34:11-16 & 36:22-38 cannot be found in scripture and are therefore not taught.

LOL. No, I'm saying that your false understanding of those scriptures is not taught anywhere. Looks like your reading comprehension skills in terms of things people here say to you are just as lacking as your ability to understand what you read in scripture.

It seems to me that you do not understand the context of what I have posted. As for Keraz's understanding, I have stop pointing out his errors to him. As for your errors in interpretation of the scriptures, I do not think that you should be throwing any stones at all.

You are completely incapable of refuting what I believe. The next coherent argument you make will be the first one.

 

[Keraz]

your foolish and completely unsupported belief of a future Millennium.

But Revelation 20 very clearly does support the Millennium.
You AMills must ignore. or falsely symbolize the six mentions of the thousand years to come after Jesus Returns.

You're trying to say that a verse about the heavens and the earth being destroyed by fire is not the same event as other verses that were written shortly after about the heavens and the earth being destroyed by fire?

The Sixth Seal and the final destruction of this earth, are separate events. Rev 6:12-17 and Rev 20:11-15 do not match.

Do you also say that this passage is not about Christ's glorious return, either, then?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Yes, I do. This Prophecy refers to the Sixth Seal.
The only sudden destruction when Jesus Returns, will be the armies at Armageddon.
Jesus does NOT Return 'as a thief'.

How are they killed then exactly?

Read what Rev 19:21 says: They are killed by the Sword of His Word. I imagine it would be quick and painless.
The fact is: they are NOT burned up, so your belief of 2 Peter 3:7 and 10, happening when Jesus Returns, is flat out wrong and you need to change your beliefs.
A refusal to change, means you are a denier of scripture and a false teacher.

 

[Keraz]

Keraz, this statement is very true just like your posts do not conform to what the ancient scripture have recorded in them.

In your opinion.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But Revelation 20 very clearly does support the Millennium.

Yes, it definitely mentions the thousand years there, so it definitely supports the idea of a Millennium of some sort. But, after Jesus returns? No.

You AMills must ignore. or falsely symbolize the six mentions of the thousand years to come after Jesus Returns.

LOL. This is one of your most ridiculous arguments. As if the number of times it is mentioned is a determining factor in whether it's a literal thousand years or not. LOL!!! Your arguments are so incredibly weak. The beast is mentioned over 30 times in the book. Does that make it a literal beast?

The Sixth Seal and the final destruction of this earth, are separate events. Rev 6:12-17 and Rev 20:11-15 do not match.

The destruction of the earth is referenced in Revelation 20:9, not Revelation 20:11-15. The earth is already destroyed before Revelation 20:11-15 takes place which is why Revelation 20:11 talks about heaven and earth not being found at that point. Revelation 6:12-17 and Revelation 20:9 match.

Yes, I do. This Prophecy refers to the Sixth Seal.
The only sudden destruction when Jesus Returns, will be the armies at Armageddon.

Are the following verses in your Bible?

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

You say just the armies are destroyed. Is the part about "all people, free and slave, great and small" being destroyed missing from your Bible?

Jesus does NOT Return 'as a thief'.

Yes, He most certainly will. You have done less than nothing to show otherwise.

Read what Rev 19:21 says: They are killed by the Sword of His Word. I imagine it would be quick and painless.

I don't use your useless translation, remember? Once again, your translation says something different than every other one.

Revelation 19:21 The rest were killed with the sword coming out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.

Either way, it's not talking about a literal sword, so tell me how exactly they will be destroyed. You saying what is in your imagination doesn't cut it.

The fact is: they are NOT burned up, so your belief of 2 Peter 3:7 and 10, happening when Jesus Returns, is flat out wrong and you need to change your beliefs.

The fact is that they are or else Peter wouldn't have said it. You need to stop contradicting Peter and change your beliefs to match what Peter taught.

A refusal to change, means you are a denier of scripture and a false teacher.

LOL. I say the same to you. Your delusions of thinking you have any authority over me are nothing less than completely hilarious and foolish.

 

[Keraz]

You say just the armies are destroyed. Is the part about "all people, free and slave, great and small" being destroyed missing from your Bible?

No, it is there and it does mean that more than those armies will die.
Which is right, as only true faithful believers will go with Jesus into the Millennium/

The fact is that they are or else Peter wouldn't have said it.

2 Peter 3:7mentions fire, it Prophesies the Lords Day of fiery wrath. Isaiah 66:15-17, Malachi 4:1, The enemies burned up
Revelation 19:11-21 says the carrion birds will eat the corpses, NOT burned up.
Proof they are different events, different times and different outcomes.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, it is there and it does mean that more than those armies will die.

So, why did you say that just the armies will die before?

Which is right, as only true faithful believers will go with Jesus into the Millennium/

And you think they will inherit His kingdom with mortal bodies and mortal flesh and blood which blatantly contradicts what Paul taught.

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

2 Peter 3:7mentions fire, it Prophesies the Lords Day of fiery wrath. Isaiah 66:15-17, Malachi 4:1, The enemies burned up
Revelation 19:11-21 says the carrion birds will eat the corpses, NOT burned up.
Proof they are different events, different times and different outcomes.

LOL. You are unable to differentiate between literal and symbolic text which leads to all kinds of crazy conclusions. So, the carrion birds will eat the corpses that will be literally slayed by Jesus's sword? Why are you afraid to tell me how exactly the destruction will occur? You apparently don't know. It's not a secret. It will be by fire (Luke 17:26-30, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:7,10-12).

 

[Keraz]

So, why did you say that just the armies will die before?

I never used the words; just, or only. More wrong conclusion jumping on your part.

And you think they will inherit His kingdom with mortal bodies and mortal flesh and blood which blatantly contradicts what Paul taught.

1 Corinthians 15:50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

I have proved many times, that 1 Cor 15:50-56 is Prophecy about the GWT Judgment, not at the Return of Jesus.
Note; verse 50 says the Kingdom of God, not the Kingdom of Jesus. Proof that 1 Cor 15:24, has happened.

You are unable to differentiate between literal and symbolic text which leads to all kinds of crazy conclusions

Says the one who symbolises a thousand years, plainly stated six times in Rev 20.
AMill is the crazy belief, divorced from reality.