What would you do if …

[bdavidc]

You’re still avoiding taking responsibility for your rash accusation. You owe the man a public apology.

Let’s be clear, it’s not me who owes Dr. Witherington an apology, it’s you. You’re the one who posted the quote, “Jesus wasn’t, and isn’t, Yahweh,” without any explanation or context. That statement, on its own, sounds like a denial of Christ’s divinity. I responded to what you chose to put out there. If that misrepresented Dr. Witherington’s actual beliefs, then the responsibility for that confusion is yours. You’re the one who misrepresented him, not me. So if anyone needs to apologize to him, it’s you.

 

[Matthias]

You’re right that mistakes happen, and I agree that how we respond to them matters. But let’s be honest about where the mistake actually came from. You were the one who posted the quote, “Jesus wasn’t, and isn’t, Yahweh”, without any context or clarification. That’s a serious statement, and presented as-is, it appears to deny the full deity of Christ. I didn’t twist anything. I responded to what was put in front of me.

I didn’t make a mistake. He made a concession to history and to Jewish monotheism. I commonly make use of, and appeal to, trinitarian concessions.

What was put in front of you is the truth.

Now that I’ve looked into Dr. Witherington’s broader views, I see that he affirms the Trinity and the full deity of Christ. That’s good to know. But again, that wasn’t clear from your post, and that’s not my fault. If anyone misrepresented his position, it was you, not me.

It is your fault. Instead of asking, you falsely accused.

This occasionally happens to pastors. The way you (mis)handled it is instructive.

But that is not me saying that I follow what he teaches as he does teach things I don’t agree with.

Also, for the record, I’m not a pastor. I’m simply someone who takes the truth of Scripture seriously and will always speak up when a statement appears to undermine who Jesus is. I have no problem clarifying my intent, but I won’t take the blame for confusion caused by a quote you shared without explanation. That’s something you should take responsibility for. Truth matters, and we’re all accountable for how we handle it.

You jumped on a trinitarian pastor’s statement and caused a problem. This all goes back to your response to how someone should handle something a pastor says when they think he is preaching heresy.

You modeled an incorrect way to deal with it.

 

[Matthias]

Let’s be clear, it’s not me who owes Dr. Witherington an apology, it’s you.

I agree with what Dr. Witherington said. He doesn’t believe Jesus was and is Yahweh. Neither do I.

You’re the one who posted the quote, “Jesus wasn’t, and isn’t, Yahweh,” without any explanation or context. That statement, on its own, sounds like a denial of Christ’s divinity. I responded to what you chose to put out there. If that misrepresented Dr. Witherington’s actual beliefs, then the responsibility for that confusion is yours. You’re the one who misrepresented him, not me. So if anyone needs to apologize to him, it’s you.

I’ll shake his hand and say amen.

 

[Jay Ross]

Let’s be clear, it’s not me who owes Dr. Witherington an apology, it’s you.

Me thinks that you are avoiding your responsibility to how you acted in this case.

If I quote a portion of a book to make a particular point in what I am writing about, do I have to quote the whole book for a reader to understand the context, or is it the reader's responsibility to find a copy of that said book to browse on to clarify the context of the portion of the book that I have quoted.

Now I do not believe in a Neo, i.e. a brand-new covenant, however I believe in a Kainos i.e. a refreshed/refurbished covenant.

Now the Bible translations, we have at this present time, translates Neo and Kainos with the same English word, "New," but to be able to see the context of where I am coming from, you would need to do some leg work in the Greek Texts and the respective Greek meanings of those word to even begin a conversation with me on this particular topic.

I think that the Tread title of "What would you do if ". . . ? is very relevant to what you have posted. You' are doubling down on not taking responsibility for your initial assumption as to what was being said in this thread by a quote of an author used by another poster.

All posting members on this forum, should wrap their laughing matter around what is being said/posted to see if it is appropriate for them to comment.

Your posts from when you were called out for not understanding the context, only confirm what I have said you are doing in this thread, which is not taking responsibility for what you posted.

I often want to respond in some threads over what others have posted, however, I have learned that often it is best to remain quite because the other members may not be able to grasp the nuances of what I may post and the thread then, like this thread, descend into a discussion of "yes you did" and "no I did not" dialogue which spirals downwards into mods taking action by deleting our "mean" posts which do not further the conversation or they are forced to close the thread all together.

Shalom

PS: - We all need to improve how and why we are posting.

 

[bdavidc]

Me thinks that you are avoiding your responsibility to how you acted in this case.

If I quote a portion of a book to make a particular point in what I am writing about, do I have to quote the whole book for a reader to understand the context, or is it the reader's responsibility to find a copy of that said book to browse on to clarify the context of the portion of the book that I have quoted.

Now I do not believe in a Neo, i.e. a brand-new covenant, however I believe in a Kainos i.e. a refreshed/refurbished covenant.

Now the Bible translations, we have at this present time, translates Neo and Kainos with the same English word, "New," but to be able to see the context of where I am coming from, you would need to do some leg work in the Greek Texts and the respective Greek meanings of those word to even begin a conversation with me on this particular topic.

I think that the Tread title of "What would you do if ". . . ? is very relevant to what you have posted. You' are doubling down on not taking responsibility for your initial assumption as to what was being said in this thread by a quote of an author used by another poster.

All posting members on this forum, should wrap their laughing matter around what is being said/posted to see if it is appropriate for them to comment.

Your posts from when you were called out for not understanding the context, only confirm what I have said you are doing in this thread, which is not taking responsibility for what you posted.

I often want to respond in some threads over what others have posted, however, I have learned that often it is best to remain quite because the other members may not be able to grasp the nuances of what I may post and the thread then, like this thread, descend into a discussion of "yes you did" and "no I did not" dialogue which spirals downwards into mods taking action by deleting our "mean" posts which do not further the conversation or they are forced to close the thread all together.

Shalom

PS: - We all need to improve how and why we are posting.

Let’s get something straight, I didn’t ask for your opinion, and to be honest, I don’t care for it either. This is a public thread, and I responded to what was posted, plain and simple. If you or someone else chooses to quote from a source and present it without full context, then yes, others have every right to respond to what was actually written. It’s not my responsibility to go on a deep dive through Greek texts just to try and interpret what someone else vaguely alluded to. If the message isn’t clear from what’s posted, then don’t blame others for not reading your mind.

Also, this thread is titled “What would you do if…?” and I answered the question biblically, not emotionally. If that rubbed you the wrong way, that’s not my problem. You’re accusing me of avoiding responsibility, but the reality is, I stood on what Scripture says, and you just didn’t like it. This isn't about misunderstanding, it's about you not liking the response you got.

If you want to post complex theological views, then be clear, and expect feedback. If you don’t want people to comment, maybe don’t post it in a public forum. But don’t turn around and accuse others of ignorance or irresponsibility simply because they don’t buy into your viewpoint. I’ll continue to speak truth where needed. If that bothers you, feel free to scroll on by.

 

[NotTheRock]

An interesting question from my X / Twitter “For you” feed today.

“What would you do if your pastor began to teach heresy?”

(Frank Turek)

https://x.com/drfrankturek/status/1911373801411195022?s=61

Frank teaches heresies.

 

[Jay Ross]

Let’s get something straight, I didn’t ask for your opinion, and to be honest, I don’t care for it either. This is a public thread, and I responded to what was posted, plain and simple. If you or someone else chooses to quote from a source and present it without full context, then yes, others have every right to respond to what was actually written. It’s not my responsibility to go on a deep dive through Greek texts just to try and interpret what someone else vaguely alluded to. If the message isn’t clear from what’s posted, then don’t blame others for not reading your mind.

Also, this thread is titled “What would you do if…?” and I answered the question biblically, not emotionally. If that rubbed you the wrong way, that’s not my problem. You’re accusing me of avoiding responsibility, but the reality is, I stood on what Scripture says, and you just didn’t like it. This isn't about misunderstanding, it's about you not liking the response you got.

If you want to post complex theological views, then be clear, and expect feedback. If you don’t want people to comment, maybe don’t post it in a public forum. But don’t turn around and accuse others of ignorance or irresponsibility simply because they don’t buy into your viewpoint. I’ll continue to speak truth where needed. If that bothers you, feel free to scroll on by.

I need to say this, "Same old say so."

Goodbye sunshine

PS: - I am not expecting you to respond.

 

[bdavidc]

I need to say this, "Same old say so."

Goodbye sunshine

PS: - I am not expecting you to respond.

Ha ha, if “same old say so” is all you’ve got, then I guess the truth is still doing its job. You can say goodbye if you want, but that doesn’t change anything I’ve said, or the truth behind it. I’m not intimidated by dismissive comments, and I’m actually glad you’re reading my posts. Keep it up. Who knows, maybe a little truth will take root and help you grow past the sarcasm. Ignoring Scripture doesn’t erase it, it just reveals who’s unwilling to face it. I’ll keep speaking the truth plainly, whether it's welcomed or not. Truth doesn’t bend for pride.

 

[PS95]

An interesting question from my X / Twitter “For you” feed today.

“What would you do if your pastor began to teach heresy?”

Does an "it" have a memory?

 

[Matthias]

Does an "it" have a memory?

Sometimes.

 

[Debp]

I thought the original post was just a generic question... didn't realize other things were going on behind the scenes.

Now you all know why I post mainly cat and dog videos and post in the Happy Threads!

 

[Matthias]

I thought the original post was just a generic question...

It was.

…. didn't realize other things were going on behind the scenes.

There wasn’t until this afternoon. Things change.

Now you all know why I post mainly cat and dog videos and post in the Happy Threads!

By all means, carry on! I’ve found the Happy Threads to be among the best the Board has to offer.

 

[Debp]

By all means, carry on! I’ve found the Happy Threads to be among the best the Board has to offer.

Yes, I do enjoy those funny and good things posted there.

 

[PS95]

is that your answer? You

Sometimes.

examples?

 

[talons]

“What would you do if your pastor began to teach heresy?”

Pray about the situation first . My hope is that the reason the pastor is at this particular church is through the leading of the Holy Spirit . Hopefully I will know the other members of the flock well enough that I can discuss it with one or more about what was said in error to see if we are in agreement on the heresy .
If the church has elders or an assistant pastor maybe that would be the first place to speak about and ask for clarity on what the pastor has said . Some churches have district and state overseers to assist if necessary .
The dynamics of this are going to vary greatly according to what type of church it is , independent or affiliated .

 

[Matthias]

is that your answer? You

examples?

A computer quickly comes to mind.

I’m typing this message on an iPad. It has a certain amount of memory. Sometimes I use my iPhone to post messages. It too has memory. (Pet peeve of mine - spell check.) Sometimes, though rarely since I retired, I check my contact list. I don’t have a lot of telephone numbers memorized.

I’m currently having a problem with my car starting. A mechanic has advised me over the phone that he believes the problem may be with either a computer chip or a chip scanner. The car, a Toyota, apparently, has a shut down feature which it activates if / when it thinks it’s being stolen. I didn’t know that until just a few days ago.

I’m sure you could offer some good examples of your own.

 

[PS95]

A computer quickly comes to mind.

I’m typing this message on an iPad. It has a certain amount of memory. Sometimes I use my iPhone to post messages. It too has memory. (Pet peeve of mine - spell check.) Sometimes, though rarely since I retired, I check my contact list. I don’t have a lot of telephone numbers memorized.

I’m currently having a problem with my car starting. A mechanic has advised me over the phone that he believes the problem may be with either a computer chip or a chip scanner. The car, a Toyota, apparently, has a shut down feature which it activates if / when it thinks it’s being stolen. I didn’t know that until just a few days ago.

I’m sure you could offer some good examples of your own.

The computer itself has no memory. It is man who programs it to recall the data.
No, I have no examples of an it with a memory.

 

[Matthias]

The computer itself has no memory. It is man who programs it to recall the data.

iPad RAM list: Here’s how much memory every iPad model has - NewsBreak

Curious how much RAM Apple has put in its different iPads or how much memory your current iPad has? While the company doesn’t publicly share the informatio

www.newsbreak.com

No, I have no examples of an it with a memory.

What else would you like to talk with me about?

 

[PS95]

iPad RAM list: Here’s how much memory every iPad model has - NewsBreak

Curious how much RAM Apple has put in its different iPads or how much memory your current iPad has? While the company doesn’t publicly share the informatio

www.newsbreak.com

You can't be serious.

What else would you like to talk with me about?

Nothing at this point.

 

[Matthias]

You can't be serious.

Nothing at this point.

Alright. That was a peculiar conversation you initiated. I also have nothing further to discuss with you at this point.