CadyandZoe
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On the contrary, as Jesus said, someone will not believe the gospel until that individual has been born again or born from above. (John 3) Someone will not come to Jesus unless the Father first draws him. (John 6)
Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
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Behold
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You are teaching the lie of Hyper Calvinism.
Notice something.........
If you are born again, so that you can THEN Believe....the gospel.......that means you have no FAITH in Christ YET, and are born again by God, without it.
That can't happen, yet that is the Hyper Calvinism DUNG you are spreading here on the Forum.
See, this Demonic Lie you are teachng, is a Rejection of God's requirement of FAITH........and that is ...>> All who give their Faith in Christ to God... God will accept.
You, like all of Calvin's Dupes....his Deceived, are teaching that God is saving the person, and forgiving the person, BEFORE they have trusted in Christ..
And that is a serious Cross Rejecting Lie.
Listen,
God does not Save anyone, or forgiven anyone until the SINNER gives God their Faith in Christ, and their "FAITH is counted by God".
That's God's requirment that you are omitting, because your Hyper Calvinism is a mind blinding situation, regarding how to understand SALVATiON as GOD Offers it.
Our FAITH.... has to come first, and then, ......God forgives, and THEN God gives them the new birth in Christ.
You are teaching the TULIP... "5 points of Calvinism" - Hyper Calvinism Lie = that God saves the person, and forgives the person, and gives them the new birth BEFORE they have ever trusted in CHRIST by Faith.......and that LIE is one you need to stop selling on a "christian forum"... @CadyandZoe ., and a few others.
CadyandZoe
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Have you heard the child's fairytale called "Rumpelstiltskin?" This story illustrates how a name can control some people.
Your logic breaks down because believing the Gospel is the same as having faith in Christ.
Reflect and meditate on why you feel the need to berate people.
I teach what the Bible says. And I support my teaching with evidence from scripture. Try to formulate an objection based on ideas and concepts found in scripture. Then, we can have a productive conversation.
I understand what you are saying. But your view is not found in the scriptures, and it isn't true to real life. Upon quiet contemplation, many have discovered that God was at work in their lives and hearts long before they finally resolved to believe and trust in him. Jesus tells us that an individual can't see or even recognize the kingdom of God until such a person is born again. He likens the new birth experience to the power of the wind.
Belief is not God's requirement; belief is God's gift. Telling someone to believe something that they don't want to consider is like telling someone to fly up to the moon. But when God pours out his spirit upon someone, it is as if God gave them wings. All I can do, all anyone can do, is greet the new day with rejoicing and thankfulness.
Behold
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God requires our faith in Christ.
Its our Faith, that God accepts to accpet us, as our "FAITH is counted by God".
God does not give us faith, or cause us to have it, as if He did then that is not OUR Belief.
God is looking for OUR faith, as its OUR Faith that God accepts.
So, what you are teaching is the typical demonic Hyper-Calvinism, that says......"you are born again in Sin"... before you are forgiven, so that you can then have faith in Christ.
So, even a 5 yr old can understand that this is crazy theology.........
See, if God gives you the new Birth, that means that God has joined Himself spiritually, to the person, = Spiritual union with God.
And what you are teaching that is a "doctrine of devils" is that Holy God is joining Himself to an UNFORGIVEN SINNER, and after this, they are caused to have Faith.
That will never happen.
Hyper Calvinism is a mind bliding theological insanity, that has God spiritually birthing an unforgiven sinner, so that once this happens, they can then give God what He required that they give him, initially before He will forgive them, and THEN give them the new birth.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
100% Amen!..Brother, for myself, God gave me the supernatural gift of a Living faith in his Son, it blew my mind, when he regenerated my spirit, my testimony is in the Living Spirit Of God, who testifies to my spirit that it’s Born Again...Praise God.
The Spirit cannot indwell the heart of an unforgiven believer, our sins are forgiven us by God neither can they be Born Again not until God brought me to initially believe in Jesus....no belief in Jesus no rebirth, no one can come to the Father except through the Son, His Name is Jesus.
In my case God did it all...there was no Bible in sight...my miracle birth I call it.
Bible verses don’t testify with our spirit that it’s Born Again, that is a mind blowing supernatural act that only the Living Spirit can perform..
Unfortunately those who believe that they chose God, don’t understand those who were chosen by God and vice versa.....hence all the back and forth arguing.as some as we can see, try and tell us how we became Born Again...
The Living testimony in my spirit will NEVER be denied....all Glory goes to God...
Spirit gives birth to spirit..33 years ago I became Born Of The Spirit.....absolutely mind blowing.....a supernatural event that I will NEVER forget...
None can deny Gods Living Witness, His Living Holy Spirit..
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Yup!...Amen!..Born Of The Spirit...not a Bible in sight...
CadyandZoe
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Remember God's covenant with Abraham as recorded in Genesis 15. God passed through the cuttings alone.
CadyandZoe
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I suspect that the Spirit may be moving among our youth. Have you noticed this yourself?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Amen!...the Living Spirit hovers....who knows who will become Born Of The Spirit next....praying for my teenage grandchildren ......he’s drawing those to Jesus by the power of His Living Spirit....mind blowing....
The Living Spirit is everywhere there is nowhere we can go, where he isn’t there....incredible power that our human brain/ thinking could never comprehend.
| Audio Cross Study Comm Heb Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. New Living Translation The earth was formless and empty, and darkness covered the deep waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. English Standard Version The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. |
Right.
We aren't saved by the Bible.
We aren't saved by the church.
We aren't saved by baptism.
We aren't saved by doctrine.
Only God can save.
God saves us through a renewed relationship with Him.
Salvation is a relationship with God.
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