I am God

[Fred J]

Precious friend, appreciate the 'record' you have given. Yes, agree That Jesus Is "The Mighty God",
and also agree with The [ Rest Of The ] Record Of God = "What Saith The Scripture?":

"Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him:​

and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. I AM Alpha and Omega,​

The Beginning and The Ending, Saith The LORD, Which Is, and Which Was, and Which Is To Come,​

The Almighty...​

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...Saying, I AM Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last" (Revelation 1:7-8, 11 AV)​

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"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things Saith​

The First and The Last, Which Was Dead, and Is Alive" (Revelation 2:8 AV)​

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"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within:​

and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, Which Was, and Is,​

and Is To Come." (Revelation 4:8 AV)​

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(#'s 44, 45, and 126 from: 163 Bible Reasons The LORD JESUS Christ Is Almighty God!)

If These are referring To "The Father", then I must have missed The Scriptures That Teach It, eh?

Amen, and Peace From The LORD (God) Jesus Christ!

You've quoted well, thank you very much, and no offense.

For the record again, Jesus at the moment and based on all your quotes, plays both rolls in representation of the Kingdom of GOD till an appointed time.

Himself as the Son 'Mighty God' and Himself as the FATHER 'Almighty GOD' HIS invisible image as 'One', since Jesus must reign for now. (John 1:1-5), (Colossians 1:15/ Hebrews 1:3)

John 14:
11. Believe Me that I am in the FATHER, and the FATHER in Me: or else believe Me for the very works' sake.

Til an appointed time meaning,, til He had put all His enemies under His feet.

Then finally Jesus shall deliever all things back to the FATHER, while Himself in the end be subjected to the FATHER 'Almighty GOD' forever and ever. Amen.

And, Himself back once again as the only begotten Son 'Mighty God' forever and ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 15:
24. Then cometh the end, wher He(Jesus) shall have delivered up the Kingdom to GOD, even the FATHER; when He shall have put down all rule and all auhtority and power.
25. For He(Jesus) must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27. For He(Jesus) hath put all things under His feet. But when He saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that HE(FATHER) is excepted, which did put all things under Him(Son).
28. And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subjected unto HIM(FATHER) that put all things under Him, that GOD may be all in all.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Phl 2:5-11

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Thank you very much, and i believe you've over done yourself.

But verse 6 is the key verse, why Jesus couldn't say plainly even to His disciples, 'He is God'.

1 Peter 2:
15. For so is the will of GOD, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
:)

John 14:
9. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the FATHER?

Isn't He Mighty God and Everlasting Father on His own, and at the same time the visible image of the invisible FATHER GOD Almighty in Heaven?

John 10:
30. I and My FATHER are one.

Since He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet. (1 Corinthians 16:25)

He is too Almighty GOD the FATHER in person, besides Mighty God Himself in person.

And when He's done, He'll hand over all authority and power of the FATHER back to the FATHER.

Hence, Himself will be subjected to the FATHER who'll reign solely 'Almighty GOD' in the new Heaven and earth.

While the Son reign solely 'Mighty God' and 'Everlasting Father' on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Forever and ever, Amen

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[keithr]

Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
:)

It is God (our Father) who is saying that. The WEB says:

(8) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, ” says the Lord God,“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”​

"The Peshitta New Testament is the only complete Aramaic New Testament known today which is held by a significant Christian denomination to be the original text written by the Apostles." The English translation of this verse in the Peshitta New Testament says:

8. I am The Alap and The Tau*, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.​

So God has always been alive and always will be, whereas Jesus said, Revelation 1:18 (WEB):

(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.​

Only our Father, God YHVH is almighty (there is nobody who is mightier than Him). Jesus said, John 14:28 (WEB):

(28) You heard how I told you, ‘I go away, and I come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said ‘I am going to my Father;’ for the Father is greater than I.​

 

[David Lamb]

It is God (our Father) who is saying that. The WEB says:

(8) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, ” says the Lord God,“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”​

"The Peshitta New Testament is the only complete Aramaic New Testament known today which is held by a significant Christian denomination to be the original text written by the Apostles." The English translation of this verse in the Peshitta New Testament says:

8. I am The Alap and The Tau*, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.​

So God has always been alive and always will be, whereas Jesus said, Revelation 1:18 (WEB):

(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.​

Only our Father, God YHVH is almighty (there is nobody who is mightier than Him). Jesus said, John 14:28 (WEB):

(28) You heard how I told you, ‘I go away, and I come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said ‘I am going to my Father;’ for the Father is greater than I.​

But we have only to look a few verses further on to find such things referring to Jesus:

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.” (Re 1:10-13 NKJV)

 

[shepherdsword]

There's a renown muslim speaker who frequently ask Christians during Q&A, where in the Bible Jesus plainly said that, 'I am God'.

He even challenged if anyone can show it to him word to word, he will immediately become a Christian.

If we were to quote other scripture that Jesus claim to be one with GOD, he will not accept.

Why didn't Jesus just go ahead and plainly say, 'I am God.' ?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Jesus proclaimed himself God by using the covenant name " I AM" The english word "he" is not in the greek text:

Jn 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he is not in the greek text) ye shall die in your sins.

Ex 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Hence, Himself will be subjected to the FATHER who'll reign solely 'Almighty GOD' in the new Heaven and earth.

While the Son reign solely 'Mighty God' and 'Everlasting Father' on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

The exact word used in scripture to describe Jesus is "Almighty." God is Almighty, and Jesus is God. (Yet, He is the Son.) I choose to let the Word say what it says. :)

 

[Ritajanice]

It is God (our Father) who is saying that. The WEB says:

(8) “I am the Alpha and the Omega, ” says the Lord God,“who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”​

"The Peshitta New Testament is the only complete Aramaic New Testament known today which is held by a significant Christian denomination to be the original text written by the Apostles." The English translation of this verse in the Peshitta New Testament says:

8. I am The Alap and The Tau*, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.​

So God has always been alive and always will be, whereas Jesus said, Revelation 1:18 (WEB):

(18) and the Living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. Amen. I have the keys of Death and of Hades.​

Only our Father, God YHVH is almighty (there is nobody who is mightier than Him). Jesus said, John 14:28 (WEB):

(28) You heard how I told you, ‘I go away, and I come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said ‘I am going to my Father;’ for the Father is greater than I.​

Plus if Jesus were God, why doesn’t he know the time and day of his return?

Matthew 24:35-37​

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New Life Version​

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No One Knows When Jesus Will Come Again​

35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36 But no one knows the day or the hour. No! Not even the angels in heaven know. The Son does not know. Only the Father knows.
37 “When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived.


One thing for sure, I ain’t arguing back and forth about it....a complete and utter waste of time.

 

[keithr]

Even in your last quote out of context argument, justifies that, one may only have life in Jesus name.

Yes, everyone who wants to have eternal life must believe in Jesus and accept him as their Lord - John 14:6 (WEB):

(6) Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.​

Acts 2:36 (WEB):

(36) “Let all the house of Israel therefore know certainly that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”​

Not in the FATHER's name nor any other name for the matter.

On the day of Pentecost Peter preached quoting from Joel chapter 2, the last verse of which says, Acts 2:21 (WEB):

(21) It will be that whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.’​

The verse in Joel shows that it is God's name - Joel 2:32 (MKJV):

(32) And it shall be, whoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be saved; for salvation shall be in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, as Jehovah has said, and in the remnant whom Jehovah shall call.​

Acts 2:39 (WEB):

(39) For the promise is to you, and to your children, and to all who are far off, even as many as the Lord our God will call to himself.”​

 

[keithr]

Jesus proclaimed himself God by using the covenant name " I AM" The english word "he" is not in the greek text:

Jn 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he is not in the greek text) ye shall die in your sins.

It does not say "I am 'I am'" . The obvious sensible tranlstion into English is "I am he". From the context it should also be obvious that Jesus is not saying that he was his Father (God):

John 8:24-29

(24) I said therefore to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”​

(25) They said therefore to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.​

(26) I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you. However he who sent me is true; and the things which I heard from him, these I say to the world.”​

(27) They didn’t understand that he spoke to them about the Father.​

(28) Jesus therefore said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I say these things.​

(29) He who sent me is with me. The Father hasn’t left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him.”​

Jesus had been saying that he was the Son of God, and most people knew that - Matthew 26:63-64 (WEB):

(63) But Jesus held his peace. The high priest answered him, “I adjure you by the living God, that you tell us whether you are the Christ, the Son of God.”​

(64) Jesus said to him, “You have said it. Nevertheless, I tell you, after this you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming on the clouds of the sky.”​

Matthew 27:39-43 (WEB):

(39) Those who passed by blasphemed him, wagging their heads,​

(40) and saying, “You who destroy the temple, and build it in three days, save yourself! If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross!”​

(41) Likewise the chief priests also mocking, with the scribes, the Pharisees, and the elders, said,​

(42) “He saved others, but he can’t save himself. If he is the King of Israel, let him come down from the cross now, and we will believe in him.​

(43) He trusts in God. Let God deliver him now, if he wants him; for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’”​

John 10:36 (WEB):

(36) do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’​

John 5:22-24 (WEB):

(22) For the Father judges no one, but he has given all judgment to the Son,​

(23) that all may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who doesn’t honor the Son doesn’t honor the Father who sent him.​

(24) “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.​

So when Jesus said, "unless you believe that I am he", he meant that you must believe that Jesus was the Son of God, and the Messiah, in order to be granted eternal life. As John wrote, John 20:31 (WEB):

(31) but these are written, that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.​

 

[keithr]

But we have only to look a few verses further on to find such things referring to Jesus:

“I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last," and, "What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea." Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.” (Re 1:10-13 NKJV)

The words "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last" in verse 11 are spurious and not found in older manuscripts, i.e. they were a later addition and not part of God's word. Modern translations correctly omit them, e.g.:

Revelation 1:11 (WEB):

(11) saying, “What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”​

James 1:16 (WEB):

(16) Don’t be deceived, my beloved brothers. ​

 

[Lizbeth]

Plus if Jesus were God, why doesn’t he know the time and day of his return?

Matthew 24:35-37​

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New Life Version​

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No One Knows When Jesus Will Come Again​

35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36 But no one knows the day or the hour. No! Not even the angels in heaven know. The Son does not know. Only the Father knows.
37 “When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived.


One thing for sure, I ain’t arguing back and forth about it....a complete and utter waste of time.

I tried to explain it to you when you asked, not that long ago, but you must not have understood.

 

[Lizbeth]

John 14:
9. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the FATHER?

Isn't He Mighty God and Everlasting Father on His own, and at the same time the visible image of the invisible FATHER GOD Almighty in Heaven?

John 10:
30. I and My FATHER are one.

Since He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet. (1 Corinthians 16:25)

He is too Almighty GOD the FATHER in person, besides Mighty God Himself in person.

And when He's done, He'll hand over all authority and power of the FATHER back to the FATHER.

Hence, Himself will be subjected to the FATHER who'll reign solely 'Almighty GOD' in the new Heaven and earth.

While the Son reign solely 'Mighty God' and 'Everlasting Father' on the right hand of the Majesty on high.

Forever and ever, Amen

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

I don't know if there is a difference between Mighty God and Almighty God, but just want to make mention, that Christ is ruling&reigning now, and according to the scripture it is at His return that He will hand the kingdom over to the Father:

1Co 15:23-26

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

 

[Lizbeth]

Thank you very much, and i believe you've over done yourself.

But verse 6 is the key verse, why Jesus couldn't say plainly even to His disciples, 'He is God'.

1 Peter 2:
15. For so is the will of GOD, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Not sure if I'm understanding you or not.....I think we are to go by His words as well as His works.. Jesus' words and the testimony of the apostles are spirit and life, but they are for our heart/spirit to receive, not just to inform the carnal mind. We need ears to hear, as well as eyes to see. No-one but God could have performed all those good works/miracles that Jesus went around doing which were so many and so much that it was written that not all the books in the world could contain them.

Jhn 14:7-12

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

There are so many scriptures that attest to Who Jesus is/was, but we need ears to hear what the Spirit is saying by them and just receive it by faith.

Col 1:12-19

Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

My goodness, what more could we want? What a testimony that can only apply to God! But Jesus was both God and man and that is why He could stand in the gap and bridge man to God. But who can fully understand how this can be, who is sufficient for these things to be able to fathom it, we can only humbly receive/believe it, as the Lord only reveals these things to little children but hides them from others.

 

[keithr]

No-one but God could have performed all those good works/miracles that Jesus went around doing ...

The apostles and the Old Testament prophets also performed many miracles, but they were not God. When Elijah called fire down from heaven it was not Elijah that did that - he prayed to YHVH and YHVH sent the fire. Likewise it was not Jesus who performed the miracles (for he was just like us - fully human) it was God YHVH, e.g. John 11:41-44 (WEB):

(41) So they took away the stone from the place where the dead man was lying. Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, “Father, I thank you that you listened to me.​

(42) I know that you always listen to me, but because of the multitude standing around I said this, that they may believe that you sent me.”​

(43) When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!”​

(44) He who was dead came out, bound hand and foot with wrappings, and his face was wrapped around with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Free him, and let him go.”​

My goodness, what more could we want?

The ability to understand the Scriptures, and to not to jump to incorrect conclusions?

 

[Hey You!]

There's a renown muslim speaker who frequently ask Christians during Q&A, where in the Bible Jesus plainly said that, 'I am God'.

He even challenged if anyone can show it to him word to word, he will immediately become a Christian.

If we were to quote other scripture that Jesus claim to be one with GOD, he will not accept.

Why didn't Jesus just go ahead and plainly say, 'I am God.' ?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

When it comes to people who set you up to fail by framing the question to their advantage, though the question can be answered; these people need a diet of the Law of God, not a run around regarding a foolish question...

Bring them back to the Law; for instance, the Day of Atonement. Point out it's a Law that they can't Keep, etc. They will waffle and cite their System, but find a way to convince them they can't Satisfy God in their System. He has to feel his Sin burden. Because of Islam, he doesn't feel it...


There's a difference between winning an argument, and Winning a Soul. One is Wise, the other is not...

 

[Hey You!]

When it comes to people who set you up to fail by framing the question to their advantage, though the question can be answered; these people need a diet of the Law of God, not the run around regarding a foolish question...

Bring them back to the Law; for instance, the Day of Atonement. Point out it's a Law that they can't Keep, etc. They will waffle and cite their System, but find a way to convince them they can't Satisfy God in their System. He has to feel his Sin burden. Because of Islam, he doesn't feel it...


There's a difference between winning an argument, and Winning a Soul. One is Wise, the other is not...

Satisfy God ~ by ReverendRV * September 13

Isaiah 53: 10-11 NKJV; Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand. He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge my righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.

'When you make his soul an offering for Sin, God shall see the labor of his soul, and be Satisfied’. For those that have wondered where the Gospel is in the Old Testament, here it is. The people of Israel have understood for thousands of years that God is Holy. They have also known that mankind is not Holy, and this is self evident. Have you ever told a Lie? Have you ever taken something that did not belong to you? What do you call people that tell Lies and what do you call people that Steal? If this Holy God judged you by the Ten Commandments would you be innocent or guilty? Be honest with yourself because only you and God know your Heart. Would you go to Hell for your sins?? You know that God would find you guilty and you can only pay the fine by doing the time. This is something that you should never want to do, because doing the time would mean an eternal punishment in Hell. We’re Saved by good Works; but not by ours…

There is no need to go to Hell because God has made a way for you to be innocent in his eyes. Suppose you went to Court for a crime that you know you committed and the Judge found you guilty, setting a fine so high that you couldn’t pay it. Suppose you had a friend there with you that offered to pay your fine, would you accept it? This is the way it is when it comes to our Sins. Jesus lived a Sinless life and then Willingly died on the Cross to take the Punishment for the Sins of the world. He shed his blood because the Bible says that without the shedding of blood there is no Remission of Sins. ~ But up from the grave he arose! The Prophet Isaiah said if we make Christ’s Soul the Sacrifice for our Sins, God would see the Labor of his Soul and be Satisfied…

God would be Satisfied?? Did Isaiah really say we can Satisfy God?? When we look up the word ‘Satisfied’ we see, “to be Satisfied, be Sated, be Fulfilled, be Surfeited”. Being Satiated means to fully Satisfy. It is similar to the word ‘Quenched’, which is like the condition of a fire when it has been extinguished. There’s no more need to keep dowsing flames when they’ve been quenched, to do so would be a vain act. Likewise, when Isaiah says that God is Satisfied by your Offering of Jesus Christ for your Sins, God IS Satiated! You have no reason to fear God because his desires for Justice, in your case, have been Quenched! ~ You ask, ‘Doesn’t God require good Works from us to be Saved’? We were created for good Works but we are not Saved by our Works. We are Saved by the Good Works that Jesus preformed in his lifetime before he died; a righteous record that is now ours as his gift to all who believe. Notice that Isaiah said God will see the Labor of ‘his’ (Christ’s) soul and be Satisfied. Believe God when he tells you what Satisfies him and what does not satisfy him. Put your Faith in the Resurrected Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and you will be Saved! Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God, and join a local Church...

Ephesians 2:8-9 NKJV; For by Grace you have been saved through Faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of Works, lest anyone should boast.

 

[Lizbeth]

Plus if Jesus were God, why doesn’t he know the time and day of his return?

Matthew 24:35-37​

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New Life Version​

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No One Knows When Jesus Will Come Again​

35 “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. 36 But no one knows the day or the hour. No! Not even the angels in heaven know. The Son does not know. Only the Father knows.
37 “When the Son of Man comes, it will be the same as when Noah lived.


One thing for sure, I ain’t arguing back and forth about it....a complete and utter waste of time.

Just think sister, if the Lord is telling people to put their faith and trust in a mere man and give their lives to a mere man, He would be making all believers into idolators. I don't know how well you know the old testament, but everywhere in it, God is called Saviour. Jesus Christ is THE LORD from heaven. Don't believe me, believe the word:

1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

We don't need to argue one side against the other, because He is both God and man......"God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16)

 

[Ritajanice]

Just think sister, if the Lord is telling people to put their faith and trust in a mere man and give their lives to a mere man, He would be making all believers into idolators.

Jesus was NO ordinary man like us...it seems you don’t know the word that well...if he was an ordinary man like us, then he could never have atoned for our sins...do you understand that he was pure, Holy and without sin?

He was God’s Son.....he was begotten Of God.

Jesus was the only person to be born of a mortal mother, Mary, and an immortal father, God the Father. That is why Jesus is called the Only Begotten Son of God. From His Father, He inherited divine powers (see John 10:17–18).

I don't know how well you know the old testament,

but everywhere in it, God is called Saviour. Jesus Christ is THE LORD from heaven. Don't believe me, believe the word:

I suggest that you do the same and believe the scripture that I posted...instead of plugging your ears and putting on your blinders..lol.

1Co 15:47
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

We don't need to argue one side against the other, because He is both God and man......"God was manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16)

I don’t believe you, I believe God.

Jesus doesn’t know the day or time of his return....only the Father knows, so, best you get back into the word..remember you needs “ spiritual “ eyes and ears.

Jesus is not fully God....now please address all scripture which shows that Jesus was not fully God, instead of dismissing it...

Jesus Is Not God – Bible Verses​

Kermit Zarley​

Most Christians believe that Jesus was and is God. That is what the institutional church has taught. Christians professedly rely strongly on the Bible for this belief. Yet there is not a single verse in the Bible which states unequivocally, “Jesus is God,” or the like. Moreover, the New Testament (NT) gospels have no statement by Jesus in which he identifies himself as God. In fact, there are many Bible verses which indicate that Jesus cannot be God by declaring that only the Father is God or by distinguishing Jesus from God. Three irrefutable texts in the NT declare both of these points.

Jesus Himself Teaches that Only the Father is God​

First, and foremost, is one of Jesus’ sayings recorded only in the Gospel of John. The setting is the Last Supper, right before he was arrested and crucified. He prayed for his disciples, saying, “Father,… This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent” (John 17.3). So, Jesus says of the Father that he is “the only true God” and then distinguishes himself from that one God. Both of these points clearly indicate that Jesus himself cannot also be God.

There are two other times the Johannine Jesus identified the Father as the only God. Earlier, he told his Jewish opponents that the Father is “the one and only God” (John 5.44). And again, at the Last Supper, Jesus distinguished himself from this one and only God by commanding his disciples, “believe in God, believe also in Me” (14.1).

Paul Teaches that Only the Father is God​

The other two NT passages which irrefutably establish that only the Father is God and distinguish Jesus from God are in Paul’s letters. He writes to the church at Corinth, “There is no God but one…. yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him” (1 Corinthians 8.4, 6). Here, Paul clearly declares that for Christians there is one God, who is the Father, and there is no other God, so that Jesus is not God.

Many traditionalist scholars cite this passage to support that Jesus preexisted, thus concluding that he was God. Yet in doing so, they often ignore its double declaration that there is only one God, who is the Father. Even if Jesus did preexist, this does not prove that he was God. Second Temple Judaism regarded that some righteous men preexisted, and Jews did not conclude that such preexistence indicated that they actually were God/gods.

The third irrefutable NT text which establishes that there is God, who is the Father, and distinguishes Jesus from God is in Paul’s letter to the Ephesians. He writes, “There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all” (Eph 4.4-6). Here, Paul implicitly identifies Jesus Christ as “one Lord” and distinguishes him from the “one God,” whom he unequivocally identifies as “the Father.” Paul is a unique author of NT literature in that he exclusively and consistently calls Jesus “Lord” and the Father “God.” Therefore, he never calls Jesus “God.”

So, these three NT passages—John 17.3; 1 Corinthians 8.4, 6; and Ephesians 4.4-6—establish without any doubt that only the Father is God, so that Jesus cannot be God.

Other Witnesses That Only the Father is God​

One of many other NT passages which confirm that Jesus is not God is his encounter with the rich young ruler. This man sincerely asked Jesus, “‘Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?’ And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone’” (Mark 10.17-18/Luke 18.18-19; cf. Matthew 19.16-17).

Many Christians have been confused by this saying, thinking that Jesus implies that he himself is not good. Yet the NT often declares that Jesus was such a righteous man that he never sinned (Acts 3.14; 2 Corinthians 5.21; Hebrews 4.15; 7.26; 2 Peter 2.22).

Then what did Jesus mean when he said, “no one is good but God alone”? In the OT, Judaism, and especially Hellenistic theism, only the one God was considered “good” in an absolute sense. This must be what Jesus meant in this encounter. Humans were called “good” only in a derived sense, with God being recognized as the Source of goodness.

Many NT passages show that Jesus was not God. For instance, the NT often declares that God sent Jesus, God was with Jesus in his mission, and God raised him from the dead. Peter preached about “Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst” (Acts 2.22). Peter later proclaimed about “Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, and how He went about doing good, and healing all who were oppressed by the devil; for God was with Him” (10.38).

In the salutations of all ten of Paul’s NT letters he identifies God as the Father, distinguishes God from Jesus Christ, and he never mentions the Holy Spirit. He typically writes, “Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” This evidence further affirms that only the Father is God and that Jesus is not God.

Moreover, the Bible contains several verses which state unambiguously that Jesus had a God, and most say his God was the Father. When Jesus hung upon the cross he quoted Psalm 22.1, crying out to the Father, “MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME” (Matthew 27.46/Mark 15.34). The day Jesus was resurrected, he said to Mary Magdalene, “I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God” (John 20.17). And three times the Apostle Paul writes about “the God and Father of our/the Lord Jesus (Christ)” (Romans 15.6; 2 Corinthians 1.3; 11.31; cf. Ephesians 1.17). Finally, the heavenly Jesus is quoted five times saying “My God” (Revelation 3.2, 12; cf. 1.6).

The Verse that Made Me Think​

The one verse that caused this author to first question whether Jesus is God is Jesus’ saying in his Olivet Discourse about the time of his return. He said, “But of that day and/or hour no one knows, not even the angels of/in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone” (Matthew 24.36/Mark 13.32). Since Jesus did not know the time of his return he could not have been God, for he reveals that God the Father did know it. Orthodox Christian theology has always insisted that God is omniscient, knowing everything, including everything about the future. Accordingly, Jesus could not have been God.

 

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Jesus could not have been God.

Precious friend, and yet we have Abundant [ 500 Plain And Clear ] Scriptures Teaching us That:

The LORD Jesus Christ Is God!

Amen.