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Ritajanice

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Very sad that when people are believing and teaching the opposite of what God's Word says, their understanding (mind) has been corrupted and they have become reprobate (unteachable).

Once you get to know chauvinism better you'll know what I'm talking about as they falsely claim Jesus lied when Jesus said if He was lifted up He would draw all men unto Himself.
Jesus explains to Nicodemas how we are Born Of The Spirit, the Living Spirit is like the wind, you never know the day,time, or place, when we will be Born Of The Spirit....I was Born Of The Spirit, the exact way that Jesus explains to Nicodemas....again the natural man would have no idea of what Jesus was explaining to Nicodemas.
Those believing Jesus is a liar won't be found in God's Kingdom.

There's numerous passages that prove limited atonement teaching is in opposition to what God's Word actually teaches but seeing there are numerous calvinists hanging around I'll spare them the agony of their demonic possession since they are unteachable (reprobate) having rejected scriptures passages that does not fit in their dark religious beliefs.

I feel sad for the calvinists just as I do for the Catholics and the Lutherans as they have been taught doctrines of men as though it was the Doctrine of Christ and rarely do we see any of these people recover themselves from the snare of the devil and come in to a saving relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ who must be worshiped in Spirit and Truth not demons and lies.

You folks can argue back and forth all you want. I've been there done that many times and it's a waste of time so I'll not get in to prolonged discussions with calvinists, Catholics or Lutherans and those claiming to be "reformed"
You are more than welcome to air your views.

Scripture verses don’t testify with our spirit that we are the children of God as Spirit gives birth to spirit.

I’m not interested in limited atonement , neither do I fully understand it.all my spirit knows is that I was chosen and predestined to become a child of God before the foundation of the world.

All that I went through throughout my life , was all meant to be, because through all the pain and suffering that I endured, God was drawing me to Jesus...then at his appointment time, he gave birth to my spirit...my spirit knows that’s its Born Again...Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Confusing and nonsensical to the natural man...makes perfect sense to my spirit for that is where we communicate with our Father God.

I agree with you about the arguing back and forth...pointless imo...we can get caught up in the back and forth if we aren’t careful....
 
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you never know the day,time, or place, when we will be Born Of The Spirit

One gets born of the Spirit when they confess their sins, turn from their sins, and confess Jesus Christ as the Lord of their life and commits to living for Him.

This is not a happenstance thing that hits a person like getting hit by lightening or something.

One must hear God's promises and instructions, choose to believe God's promises and instructions, and then choose to act on God's promises and instructions



my spirit knows is that I was chosen and predestined to become a child of God before the foundation of the world.

Actually, every person God had foreknowledge of - was predestined to be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ. (Romans 8:29,30)

Since God knows all things, this means He predestines all people to come into a right relationship with Him as He knew that all people were going to be born before they were ever born and before the foundation of the world actually .

Mankind has responsibility to choose to accept and come to the Lord for salvation as we see Jesus saying "Narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:14)

Obviously man has responsibility to find the narrow path leading to life which is getting born again and walking with the Lord. The limited atonement advocates must ignore these passages

Titus 2:11,12 - For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

1 John 2:2 - Jesus is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 - who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It's like a demonic comedy skit to here the cavinists attempt to explain away these verses or otherwise ignore them

They do exactly what Adam and Eve did which is reject what the Lord says and instead they embrace what the devil says as he tells hem things that are in opposition to what the Lord says in His Word.
 

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One gets born of the Spirit when they confess their sins, turn from their sins, and confess Jesus Christ as the Lord of their life and commits to living for Him.
One gets Born Of The Spirit when God brings them to repentance..God also brings us to initially believe in Jesus, then births us in the Spirit.Spirit gives birth to spirit.
This is not a happenstance thing that hits a person like getting hit by lightening or something.

One must hear God's promises and instructions, choose to believe God's promises and instructions, and then choose to act on God's promises and instructions
No..when one is Born Of The Spirit..it’s like a bolt of lightning..so no, I don’t agree...blew my mind when God birthed me in the Spirit..my spirit fell instantly in love with the Spirit Of God...the Living Spirit Of God is LOVE...he loved us first, when he birthed our spirit into his...” mind blowing “.
Actually, every person God had foreknowledge of - was predestined to be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ.

Since God knows all things, this means He predestines all people to come into a right relationship with Him.
That’s what you believe, others believe differently.
Mankind has responsibility to choose to accept and come to the Lord for salvation as we see Jesus saying "Narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it" (Matthew 7:14)
Again your belief..I believe differently..
Obviously man has responsibility to find the narrow path leading to life which is getting born again and walking with the Lord. The limited atonement advocates must ignore these passages
No, God is the initiator and God does it all...I can can do nothing...
Titus 2:11,12 - For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world

1 John 2:2 - Jesus is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.

1 Timothy 2:4 - who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It's like a demonic comedy skit to here the cavinists attempt to explain away these verses or otherwise ignore them
You do the same..you too ignore certain scriptures and dismiss them..I was Born Of The Spirit and it hit me like a ton of bricks..when God decided to birth my spirit into His...mind Blowing .

Do you know the Love Of God in your spirit?
They do exactly what Adam and Eve did which is reject what the Lord says and instead they embrace what the devil says as he tells hem things that are in opposition to what the Lord says in His Word.
Again your commentary..which some won’t agree with.

I believe the Living testimony who indwells my spirit...only he can reveal Gods truth to our heart.
 
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One gets Born Of The Spirit when God brings them to repentance

OK, so for those that fail to get born again, it's God's fault. Got it.



That’s what you believe, others believe differently.

Yep, the devil has twisted God's Word to many people blinding them from seeing what God actually said.

2 Corinthians 4:4 - whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.



Again your commentary..which some won’t agree with.

The calvinists do exactly, precisely what Adam and Eve did

They believe what the devil tells them rather than what God says in His Word.

It's definitely a sad situation for the calvinists. Very sad indeed.

You are obviously heavily influenced by calvinist doctrine. Hope you get delivered!
 

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OK, so for those that fail to get born again, it's God's fault. Got it.
Lol..I never said that..you did.
Yep, the devil has twisted God's Word to many people blinding them from seeing what God actually said.
Yes...that’s why I thank God that there wasn't a Bible in sight, when I became Born Of The Spirit.
2 Corinthians 4:4 - whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.





The calvinists do exactly, precisely what Adam and Eve did

They believe what the devil tells them rather than what God says in His Word.
Like I explained scripture verses don’t testify with one’s spirit that they are Gods child...hence all the confusion over scripture.
It's definitely a sad situation for the calvinists. Very sad indeed.

You are obviously heavily influenced by calvinist doctrine. Hope you get delivered!
Why would I need to be delivered when my spirit is Born Again?

No I’m not influenced by Calvin...my testimony comes from the Living Spirit Of God who permanently indwells my spirit....The Living Spirit gave birth to my spirit.

Which will confuse and be nonsensical to some.the natural man....or even a new babe in Christ, won’t understand what I’m saying.
 
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Yep, the devil has twisted God's Word to many people blinding them from seeing what God actually said.
Like I have tried to explain to you....scripture verses don’t testify with our spirit that it’s Born Again...only the Living Spirit Of God can perform that supernatural act.
 

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One gets born of the Spirit when they confess their sins, turn from their sins, and confess Jesus Christ as the Lord

Those are spiritual actions one does after they are born again spiritually. You putting the cart b4 the horse, actions b4 life
 

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Lol..I never said that..you did.

You can't have it both ways, which is it?

If it's ALL up to God and mankind plays zero part in salvation, then it actually is God's fault that so many don't get saved.

That's the calvinist position as they falsely claim God decided who will get saved before they were ever born.



there wasn't a Bible in sight, when I became Born Of The Spirit.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God... are you sure you got born again?

On what basis do you claim to be born again? Your feelings? Your emotions?

This is how the people claiming to be gay christians come to believe God made them to be gay as thier feelings and emotions dictate what they believe which is not based on what God said.



hence all the confusion over scripture.

God is not the author of confusion, the devil is.

That's how the devil got Adam and Eve to sin against God by telling them things God did not say.

They ignored what God said and were "led by the spirit" but turns out they were led by the devil, not God.

What God says comes before our intuitions



No I’m not influenced by Calvin...

If you say so.



only the Living Spirit Of God can perform that supernatural act.

Which is based on what God said.



Those are spiritual actions one does after they are born again spiritually. You putting the cart b4 the horse, actions b4 life

If one does no confess their sin, turn from their sin, confessing Jesus Christ as their Lord all with sincerity they are not born again

What you are claiming is what the calvinists believe which comes from scripture twisting that their devils taught them

Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

These must happen first, and then one gets born again as the Holy Spirit performs God's Word
 

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You can't have it both ways, which is it?

If it's ALL up to God and mankind plays zero part in salvation, then it actually is God's fault that so many don't get saved.
You are confused....I’m not...
That's the calvinist position as they falsely claim God decided who will get saved before they were ever born.

God chose me..that I know....none of my business about others.
Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God... are you sure you got born again?
Faith comes from God it’s a supernatural gift..once we receive that gift we can then walk in faith..because our spirit is Born Again.

Yes I’m Born Again..by the testimony of the Living Spirit.
On what basis do you claim to be born again? Your feelings? Your emotions?
Already explained this...being Born Again isn’t a felling or emotion......it’s a Supernatural act that only the Living Spirit can perform..as his word says Spirit gives birth to spirit..do you understand what that means?
This is how the people claiming to be gay christians come to believe God made them to be gay as thier feelings and emotions dictate what they believe which is not based on what God said.
I’m not gay..I am Born Again band became Born Again by Gods Living Witness..as his word confirms.
God is not the author of confusion, the devil is.
I don’t think I said God is a God Of confusion.
That's how the devil got Adam and Eve to sin against God by telling them things God did not say.

They ignored what God said and were "led by the spirit" but turns out they were led by the devil, not God.

What God says comes before our intuitions

I said God initiates the spiritual rebirth...
If you say so.


Ok.


Which is based on what God said.





If one does no confess their sin, turn from their sin, confessing Jesus Christ as their Lord all with sincerity they are not born again
Not true...I’ve already explained how I became Born Again in full detail.
What you are claiming is what the calvinists believe which comes from scripture twisting that their devils taught them
According to you..like I explained...scripture verses don’t testify with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Hey...we’re going round in circles...you believe one way..I believe another way.
 

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You are confused....I’m not...

That what the scripture twisting calvinists always claim




I am Born Again band became Born Again by Gods Living Witness..as his word confirms.

Earlier you were saying you don't go by what God says in His Word.

Is what God already said in His Word meaningless, or not?




I said God initiates the spiritual rebirth...

But it's up to man to respond by answering the call.

If they don't they won't ever get saved.




Not true...I’ve already explained how I became Born Again in full detail.

You said it was not based on God's Word.

And as such you have no basis for faith.




scripture verses don’t testify with our spirit that we are Gods children.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead people to all Truth and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth

So those that ignore God's Word are following some other spirit other than the Holy Spirit.
 

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That what the scripture twisting calvinists always claim






Earlier you were saying you don't go by what God says in His Word.

Is what God already said in His Word meaningless, or not?
You are twisting my words and you imo are in total confusion.
But it's up to man to respond by answering the call.
Sorry..I was Born Again by the Spirit Of God..sorry that you don’t understand that.
If they don't they won't ever get saved.


Confusing.



You said it was not based on God's Word.

And as such you have no basis for faith.


Again you are very confused..



Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead people to all Truth and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth

So those that ignore God's Word are following some other spirit other than the Holy Spirit.
No we’re not,, you just aren’t understanding who the Living witness of God is..that’s pretty obvious by what you post.
 

Ritajanice

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Those that actually have the Holy Spirit would value what God has already spoken and had written down

I sure hope this gets better for you and soon since time is running out.
My friend I don’t listen to threats...you are twisting my words again..I didn’t say I don’t value the Bible..

I’m not sure what is supposed to be getting better soon for me....as I’m already in The Spiritual realm of God..he just gave me that word..go check it out with the Bible..I’m sure it’s there...it’s mind blowing when the Lord relays scripture to me via my spirit..I love it!

Ooh look here it is.

8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

Born Again of the Living seed of God..imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever......the biggest Honour and Privilege one can receive on this earth.
 
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I didn’t say I don’t value the Bible..

You were claiming you don't go by what God has said that He decided to have put in to written form.

That's no valuing what God has to say, something those that are led by the Holy Spirit would never say.

That's what Adam and Eve did, the discounted what God said and got in to serious trouble.

A word to the wise should be sufficient as the old timers used to say.
 

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You were claiming you don't go by what God has said that He decided to have put in to written form.
You are claiming that my friend.
That's no valuing what God has to say, something those that are led by the Holy Spirit would never say.

That's what Adam and Eve did, the discounted what God said and got in to serious trouble.

A word to the wise should be sufficient as the old timers used to say.
Once again a misinterpretation Of my words..night,night, calling it a day...it’s a wonderful peace being in the heart of God...I hope you too have it...

A Born Again is led by the Living Spirit Of God..just as His written word confirms ..as their spirit is Born Again...God is a Living Spirit my friend.the Bible confirms this...Praise God..

Romans 8​

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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No the elect are chosen, and then they believe and follow Him. And its the regenerated man that believes and follow, not the flesh
The existence of Judas having been chosen, directly promised eternal life, and then lost creates a plausibility issue for your gospel.
 

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Prove how these go against limited atonement
No – that’s NOT how it works.

I presented my Scriptural evidence. I bolded and underlined the pertinent parts. The onus is on YOU to disprove it. These verses clearly refute the Calvinist heresy of Limited Atonment.