I believe it's because being found in the form of a man, He humbled Himself......and didn't go around bragging. He laid aside His own deity/power in order to rely on the Father and Spirit of God (setting the example for us), but made known who He was in a tactful kind of spiritual way, which required "ears to hear" and a heart to receive what He was saying.
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Members of this very forum are doing this exact thing ...not believing that Jesus proceeded out from God and came down from heaven. Unbelief.
AngelicArcher
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I think if you read their posts as I did until I set them to ignore you'll see they don't actually believe the Scriptures.
Aunty Jane
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The one thing Jesus always did, was the will of his Father (Luke 22:44)….before his own. He said that everything he taught was from his Father (John 7:16)….and that the will of his God was like “food” for him. (John 4:34) Jesus was endowed with God’s spirit and used that power to benefit others….and to reveal in his personality all of his Father’s qualities.
Jesus is called “theos” (god) in Scripture, but never is he called “Almighty” God….only one is “Almighty” and that is his Father who is also his God. (Rev 3:12)
In the Hebrew text “Shad·daiʹ“ (Almighty) is used seven times along with ʼEl (God), forming the title “God Almighty.” (Gen 17:1; Ezek 10:5) In the other 41 occurrences it stands alone and is translated “the Almighty” or “the Almighty One.”
The Greek word is “Pan·to·kraʹtor“, which occurs ten times in the Christian Scriptures, nine of them in the book of Revelation, the other in 2 Cor 6:18.
Both words evidently convey the idea of strength or power.
As Isaiah prophesied, the “Prince of Peace” would be a “mighty God” but not “Almighty God”. (or a powerful one used in God’s service. Acts 4:27-30; Isa 9:6) If Jesus was God, he could not be his own “servant”.
He had to become a human being to pay the price of redemption, which was set back in the garden of Eden….to redeem something is to pay the price set when the item was surrendered.
Christ had to come from outside of the now defective human race as they all inherited sin from Adam, so that we would not have to carry the burden of his curse of sin and death forever. A perfect sinless life was lost for all of us, so a perfect sinless life was surrendered to pay the debt, and return what was taken from us. Not a soul on earth could pay the ransom that justice demanded….all were now inherently sinful. (Romans 5:12) How grateful we are that God sent the only means to rescue us from the results of the abuse of free will that was demonstrated in the garden, by three disobedient individuals.
Not many understand how redemption works.
“Atonement” (“at-one-ment”, or one for one) is what God taught his ancient people through their animals sacrifices, picturing the blood that would be sacrificed by the coming redeemer whom John B identified as “the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world”.
There's a reason why Jesus couldn't say straightforwardly word to word that, "I am God."
You're right, indirectly He did claimed to be equal with GOD, that makes Himself God, as it is blasphemy.
He's God the Son, equal with His GOD the FATHER, and They are One, the FATHER is invisible while the Son is HIS image.
If one have seen and been with the Son, the same one have seen and been with the FATHER.
They are individually FATHER and Son, but identical in everything, like FATHER like Son.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Well, compared to them Apostles have quoted, i'll give you one where GOD the FATHER HIMSELF says about the Son.
Hebrews 1:
8. But unto the Son HE(FATHER) saith, "Thy Throne, O God(Son), is forever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy Kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God(Son), even Thy GOD(FATHER), hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.
Next of the Prophet,
Isaiah 9:
6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Several occasions mentioning 'I am', He goes by the Son of GOD or the son of man from the linage of King David.
But the one He claimed that, before Abraham was, 'I Am', is the one His claim as 'Lord' and 'God' even before Abraham.
And Abraham rejoiced to see His day, is when the three angels like men visited Abraham and Sarah.
That's not the reason why, for they already want to have Him killed on the ground of blasphemy.
They have already concluded based on His claim, that being a mere man but claim Himself to be God.
Now, the whole reason for the delay is, He's time and hour has no come yet to be arrested and crucified.
Again, even when His appointed time did come and was crucified, in His final breath, He could have said, "I am God'.
Peter already knew and proclaimed Him as, 'Christ, Son of the Living GOD'.
Even Thomas, who proclaimed His as, 'my Lord and my God'.
Why did Jesus claim to be God by other means?
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Plainly, that reason lie within Himself, why he was not able to say plainly, 'I am God', when He truly is?
While the whole time in the presence of GOD the FATHER, the angels, and men on earth?
For the record, scripture does not support Jesus is 'The Almighty God', but rather ' The Mighty God'.
'The ALMIGHTY GOD' is the FATHER who art in Heaven and in secret, and pleased to dwell in the Son fully.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Is there a scripture quote to support you claim, thank you?
I quoted the Literal Standard Version. Here are some more (more modern) translations:
WEB:
(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
TLV:(6) Who, though existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal to God a thing to be grasped.
NET:(6) who though he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God as something to be grasped,
ASV:(6) who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
ESV:(6) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
UASV+:(6) who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
The Greek word that is translated as robbery in the KJV is harpagmos, which the Online Bible Greek Lexicon says means "the act of seizing, robbery; a thing seized or to be seized". It comes from harpazo, the word used for the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:17), when the resurrected Christians and the still living Christians are caught up, or seized, to meet with Jesus in the sky.
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Again, a poor translation, translated by deceived Trinity believing translators. Read it in context to correctly understand the meaning. This is how The Living Bible translates it:
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day. He knew I was coming and was glad."
57 The Jewish leaders: “You aren’t even fifty years old—sure, you’ve seen Abraham!”
58 Jesus: “The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”
[The Living Bible is a paraphrase of the Old and New Testaments. Its purpose is to say as exactly as possible what the writers of the Scriptures meant, and to say it simply, expanding where necessary for a clear understanding by the modern reader.]
LoveYeshua
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The phrase "I AM" spoken by Jesus in the New Testament is significant because it echoes the name of God revealed to Moses in the Old Testament. In Exodus 3:14: "God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” God identifies Himself as "I AM WHO I AM." When Jesus uses the phrase "I AM," He is making a direct connection to His divinity, claiming to be one with God. Here are several key "I AM" statements made by Jesus in the New Testament:
In John 6:35, Jesus says, "I am the bread of life." Here, He declares that He is the spiritual sustenance that gives eternal life, contrasting the manna provided in the wilderness.
In John 8:12, Jesus says, "I am the light of the world." He asserts that He is the source of spiritual light and guidance in a dark world, offering salvation to those who follow Him.
In John 8:58, Jesus declares, "Before Abraham was, I am." This profound statement highlights His eternal existence and divinity. The Jewish leaders understood this as a claim to divinity, which is why they sought to stone Him for blasphemy.
In John 10:7, Jesus says, "I am the door of the sheep." He describes Himself as the only way for people to enter into the safety and protection of the Kingdom of God, portraying Himself as the means to salvation.
In John 10:11, Jesus declares, "I am the good shepherd." He compares Himself to a shepherd who cares for and sacrifices for His sheep, highlighting His role as a protector and Savior for His followers.
In John 11:25, Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life." He speaks this to Martha before raising Lazarus from the dead, declaring that He has power over life and death and that belief in Him brings eternal life.
In John 14:6, Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, and the life." He makes it clear that He is the only path to God the Father and eternal life, emphasizing that He alone can provide the truth and life.
In John 15:1, Jesus says, "I am the true vine." He uses the metaphor of a vine and branches to describe the intimate relationship He desires with His followers, where He is the source of life and nourishment.
In John 18:5-6, Jesus says, "I am he." During His arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane, when the soldiers come to take Him, He identifies Himself with these words. The power of these words causes the soldiers to fall back, demonstrating His divine authority.
In Revelation 1:8, it says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." While not directly spoken by Jesus in this instance, this statement in Revelation (attributed to Christ) speaks of His eternal nature and His divinity. Jesus is the beginning and the end, affirming His role as eternal God.
These "I AM" statements are key theological claims that emphasize the divinity of Jesus, His eternal nature, and His role in the salvation of humanity. They highlight that Jesus is not merely a prophet or a teacher but is indeed God incarnate.
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Wrong. God's name is YHVH - Exodus 3:15 (WEB):
(15) God said moreover to Moses, “You shall tell the children of Israel this, ‘Yahweh [YHVH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.
Just using the expression "I am" in ordinary speech (in Aramaic or Greek) does not mean you are claiming to be God. If you think it does then you have to believe that the apostle Paul was God too, from verses like:
Acts 21:39 (WEB):
(39) But Paul said, “I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no insignificant city. I beg you, allow me to speak to the people.”
1 Corinthians 15:10 (WEB):(10) But by the grace of God I am what I am. His grace which was given to me was not futile, but I worked more than all of them; yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
They emphasise that Jesus was/is the Messiah, mankind's redeemer and saviour, the Son of God - not almighty God YHVH. All those verses you quoted were written by John - his last verse of his Gospel states what he believed:
John 20:31 (ISV):
(31) But these have been recorded so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and so that through believing you may have life in his name.
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LoveYeshua
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I know that but GOD's true name was lost and removed. The vowels are missing on YHVH and no one has apparently any Idea how to pronounced it, this is from a custom from the Jews who Hid his name so no one would take it in vain either intentionally or not.
in my french bible it is also as you say also YHVH refers to the name of God in exodus " I am that I am" in short "I AM".
Jesus used it for certain verses but many miss it, you certainty did.
Do you know the real and complete name of GOD?
You forgot john 17 please read it explains a lot.
The Hebrew Name for God - YHVH
Hebrew Names of God, YHVH, YHWH, Jehovah, Adonai, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, theomorphic.
hebrew4christians.com
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Phl 2:5-11
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Precious friend, appreciate the 'record' you have given. Yes, agree That Jesus Is "The Mighty God",
and also agree with The [ Rest Of The ] Record Of God = "What Saith The Scripture?":
"Behold, He cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him:
and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. Even so, Amen. I AM Alpha and Omega,
The Beginning and The Ending, Saith The LORD, Which Is, and Which Was, and Which Is To Come,
The Almighty...
...Saying, I AM Alpha and Omega, The First and The Last" (Revelation 1:7-8, 11 AV)
"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things Saith
The First and The Last, Which Was Dead, and Is Alive" (Revelation 2:8 AV)
"And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within:
and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, Which Was, and Is,
and Is To Come." (Revelation 4:8 AV)
(#'s 44, 45, and 126 from: 163 Bible Reasons The LORD JESUS Christ Is Almighty God!)If These are referring To "The Father", then I must have missed The Scriptures That Teach It, eh?
Amen, and Peace From The LORD (God) Jesus Christ!
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Jesus knew how to pronounce God's name, and he revealed that to his disciples:
John 17:6
(6) I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word.
John 17:26(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”
I believe so. Here's a copy of my post in the thread What's behind the Most Holy Name of God? :
God's name YHVH is pronounced Yahavah. See the YouTube videos The Hidden Beauty of the Holy Name of God - YHVH and The Name of God | Christian Ultra Libertarians for Truth.
Here's a short extract from the first video:
If you were looking at the ancient scroll and you just said the consonant sound without any vowels, which is beautiful because God tells us to not add to it or subtract from it, so how much more His Holy Name, if you just said the consonants, you would say "yah hah vah", and it's just like breath coming off. Even that root of 'hava', which Yahavah comes from, you have multiple words that come out of that, because 'av' is 'father', you hear "av" in that, and "hava" means 'self-existent', the 'self-existent breath of life', and 'ahava' in the hebrew is 'love'. So literally when you say it that way it comes off your tongue like breath, and you are hearing in the Hebrew tongue "self-existent father of love". So we know that a name reflects a character.
John 17:26 (WEB):
(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”
Now here's the key indicator. So what he's telling the Father, I've made your name known to my disciples, and John is one of his disciples, and Yeshua says the reason I've made your name known is so that the love which you have loved me with can be in them. So his name, His holy name, has a direct correlation with love.
I am familiar with John 17, and have not forgotten about it!
John 17 (WEB):
(1) Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you;
(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
(24) Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
God has loved His Son from before the creation of the universe (which He arranged for His Son to create). God is not His own son, nor His own father. Jesus is not God, he is God's only Son:
John 1:14 (WEB):
(14) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 (WEB):(18) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
John 3:16 (WEB):(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:18 (WEB):(18) He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn’t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
1 John 4:9 (WEB):
(9) By this God’s love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.
Yes, which is why it's an easy out for the Muslim apologist. He already knows that exact phrase is not there, but the precept is. So, he doesn't have to prove anything. All he did was ask a leading question.
I can't say for certainty. Maybe He did but it was never recorded. Maybe it wasn't necessary. His apostles knew, and the religious leaders likely knew. Most importantly, God knew. That's all that mattered.
Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
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LoveYeshua quoted well in witnessing Christ as God, while sadly your comparison is way off and fruitless.
Even in your last quote out of context argument, justifies that, one may only have life in Jesus name.
Not in the FATHER's name nor any other name for the matter.
Even before Jesus Himself achieved and accomplished salvation for the whole world. (Hebrews 1:3)
He's 'I Am' God the Son Himself, and 'I AM that I AM' GOD the FATHER in image and representation. (John 1:1&3/ Romans 9:5/ Hebrews 1:10/ Colossians 1:16&17), (Hebrews 1:3/ Colossians 1:15)
Furthermore who is He to all men prior to salvation,
John 1:
4. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
7. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through Him might believe.
9. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not.
11. He came unto His own(Israel), and His own received Him not.
Paul, I am or I am that I am, an earthen vessel/instrument in comparison to the Heavenly Lord God the Potter/Owner coheir with the FATHER??
John 1:
18. No man hath seen GOD(FATHER) at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the FATHER, he hath declared HIM.
Not even beginning with Adam, therefore who did he see then, even the fathers of Israel??
Genesis 2:
7. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
John 14:
9. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the FATHER?
GOD the FATHER at all time art in Heaven and in secret, and only from time to time HIS audible voice can be heard from the sky/heaven Biblically.
It's not like HE's in the Son one moment and in Heaven next, but by the Holy Ghost in the Son, HE communicates.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
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