I am God

[AngelicArcher]

There's a renown muslim speaker who frequently ask Christians during Q&A, where in the Bible Jesus plainly said that, 'I am God'.

He even challenged if anyone can show it to him word to word, he will immediately become a Christian.

If we were to quote other scripture that Jesus claim to be one with GOD, he will not accept.

Why didn't Jesus just go ahead and plainly say, 'I am God.' ?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

He did plainly say so. "I and the father are one." Every Jew who heard him say that knew his meaning.

That renowned Muslim speaker knows he will never turn Apostate.
His tradition recognizes Jesus by the name,Isa.

He is not the son of God in Islam. He is a prophet chosen by Allah who,according to the Quran has no sons.

 

[Taken]

Saying Jesus is not God goes against the opening of John's gospel:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

John explains a few verses later Who he meant by "the Word":

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

Yes.

Often overlooked…
In the Likeness of God….a mans word comes forth out of his mouth, being a verbal expression of what is IN the man, and IS the man on his INSIDE.

Gods word came forth out from Gods mouth (Isa. 55:11) (while emphasized), Gods word remains IN God, IS God).

God PREPARED a body for His Word.

“God” PURPOSED that PREPARED Body For??? “HIMSELF”!

God “Declared”… That prepared Body…
WOULD be Called: The Son of God.

God “Declared” God “Would Be” A father to (That Prepared Body) and (That prepared Body) would Be to God…A Son.

Christ Jesus’ express thoughts?

Not much different, than God “Declaring” Humans, who Did NOT come forth Out From God… To Be Gods sons, and He Be their Father, their God.


Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John 14:
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[AngelicArcher]

Yes.

Often overlooked…
In the Likeness of God….a mans word comes forth out of his mouth, being a verbal expression of what is IN the man, and IS the man on his INSIDE.

Gods word came forth out from Gods mouth (Isa. 55:11) (while emphasized), Gods word remains IN God, IS God).

God PREPARED a body for His Word.

“God” PURPOSED that PREPARED Body For??? “HIMSELF”!

God “Declared”… That prepared Body…
WOULD be Called: The Son of God.

God “Declared” God “Would Be” A father to (That Prepared Body) and (That prepared Body) would Be to God…A Son.

Christ Jesus’ express thoughts?

Not much different, than God “Declaring” Humans, who Did NOT come forth Out From God… To Be Gods sons, and He Be their Father, their God.


Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Luke 1:
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John 14:
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Heb 1:
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

I love the Book of Isaiah.

Isaiah 7:14 - The Sign of Immanuel

Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel.

biblehub.com

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord Himself giveth to you a sign, Lo, the Virgin is conceiving, And is bringing forth a son, And hath called his name Immanuel,

Matthew 1:23 "Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”).

 

[TLHKAJ]

The Gospel of John
20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

We are the temple of God, and spirit of God live in us.
The Spirit of God live in Jesus. So Jesus said"I and my father Are one."

So Thomas wasn't speaking to Jesus Christ:"My God", he was speaking to The Spirit of God.

and he was speaking to Jesus Christ:"My lord."

And yet, Jesus was the Word that was made flesh and dwelt among us. He proceeded out of the Father. He was present in the beginning and everything that was created was created by Him ...as the book of John chapter 1 tells us.

He IS the Creator, as scripture says ...all things were made by Him (the Word).

Colossians 1:13-17
[13]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[14]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


All things are held together (consist) by the Word ...which is Jesus Christ. And nowhere in scripture are you and I called "the Word." We didn't proceed from God. We have a beginning, but Jesus Christ, IS the beginning ...and the end, the Alpha and the Omega ...the first and the last ...THE ALMIGHTY.

Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13
[13]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

The word "Almighty" can also be translated "Omnipotent." Now ...are you the Almighty or Omnipotent? There is no scripture that says you are ... nor am I. But GOD is Almighty. GOD is Omnipotent. Jesus Christ IS God ...the I Am, the Almighty, the Omnipotent.

We have to take all of scripture together, and not ignore what is obviously being said. Jesus said if you do not believe that He is God, you will die in your sins.

John 8:23-24
[23]And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[24]I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

The difference between us and Jesus is that He proceeded out from God. (As when God speaks, the Word that proceeds from Him is Jesus.) We did not ....our breath (neshemah) came from God. But WE are not God. We did not proceed out of God. Jesus was and IS God ...the Almighty, Omnipotent ....the Creator. We are not any of those things.

Jesus (the Word) humbled Himself and took upon Himself the FORM of a man. He thought it not robery that although He had been "in the form" (or the same very nature) of God and was equal with God, that then He came and took on the form of a man, a servant. This was the ultimate example of humility. And after His example, we are to follow ...if He can humble Himself, so can we.

Philippians 2:6-8
[6]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7]But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8]And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus is the Bread (manna) from heaven. Even the Jews knew what that meant. His origin was from heaven ...in the very form of God. (He was the Word that proceeds from God.) He, the Word, was sent/proceeded out from God and was made flesh, found in the form of a man.

John 6:28-42
[28]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[30]They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
[31]Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
[32]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[33]For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
[34]Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
[35]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
[36]But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
[37]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38]For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[41]The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
[42]And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

 

[soberxp]

And yet, Jesus was the Word that was made flesh and dwelt among us. He proceeded out of the Father. He was present in the beginning and everything that was created was created by Him ...as the book of John chapter 1 tells us.

He IS the Creator, as scripture says ...all things were made by Him.

Colossians 1:13-17
[13]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[14]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.


All things are held together (consist) by the Word ...which is Jesus Christ. And nowhere in scripture are you and I called "the Word." We didn't proceed from God. We have a beginning, but Jesus Christ, IS the beginning ...and the end, the Alpha and the Omega ...the first and the last ...THE ALMIGHTY.

Revelation 1:8
[8]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13
[13]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

The word "Almighty" can also be translated "Omnipotent." Now ...are you the Almighty or Omnipotent? There is no scripture that says you are ... nor am I. But GOD is Almighty. GOD is Omnipotent. Jesus Christ IS God ...the I Am, the Almighty, the Omnipotent.

We have to take all of scripture together, and not ignore what is obviously being said. Jesus said if you do not believe that He is God, you will die in your sins.

John 8:23-24
[23]And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[24]I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

The difference between us and Jesus is that He proceeded out from God. (As when God speaks, the Word that proceeds from Him is Jesus.) We did not ....our breath (neshemah) came from God. But WE are not God. We did not proceed out of God. Jesus was and IS God ...the Almighty, Omnipotent ....the Creator. We are not any of those things.

Jesus (the Word) humbled Himself and took upon Himself the FORM of a man. He thought it not robery that although He had been "in the form" (or the same very nature) of God and was equal with God, that then He came and took on the form of a man, a servant. This was the ultimate example of humility. And after His example, we are to follow ...if He can humble Himself, so can we.

Philippians 2:6-8
[6]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7]But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8]And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Jesus is the Bread (manna) from heaven. Even the Jews knew what that meant. His origin was from heaven ...in the very form of God. (He was the Word that proceeds from God.) He, the Word, was sent/proceeded out from God and was made flesh, found in the form of a man.

John 6:28-42
[28]Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29]Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[30]They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
[31]Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
[32]Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
[33]For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
[34]Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
[35]And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
[36]But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
[37]All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
[38]For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
[39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40]And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[41]The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
[42]And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?

The Gospel of John 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Because God with Jesus Christ, so Jesus Christ is Almighty and walking on the water.the Spirit of God living in Jesus Christ.

He is also human beings as us.

 

[TLHKAJ]

He IS the Creator, as scripture says ...all things were made by Him (the Word).

Colossians 1:13-17
[13]Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
[14]In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
[15]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

We can see this in Genesis chapter 1 ...

Genesis 1:1-2
[1]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

After that we see repeatedly the words, "And God said...." We can see that God spoke the Word ...and that Word proceeded out from God. God created ...God the Father, the Son/Word, the Holy Spirit.

This is why John chapter 1 says that the Word was in the beginning with God ....and the Word WAS God. It says that all things were made BY Him ...and without Him was not anything made that was made.

 

[TLHKAJ]

He is also human beings as us.

Read....

Philippians 2:6-8
[6]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7]But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8]And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

How is it that you do not acknowledge that He was the Word (GOD) that was made flesh? He is the Creator. Scripture says this. Even His very name, Emmanuel, means, "God with us." This is why Holy Spirit hovered over a virgin to bring forth a flesh body.

Matthew 1:23
[23]Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Because God with Jesus Christ, so Jesus Christ is Almighty and walking on the water.the Spirit of God living in Jesus Christ.

Are you Almighty??

 

[Taken]

The Gospel of John 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Because God with Jesus Christ, so Jesus Christ is Almighty and walking on the water.the Spirit of God living in Jesus Christ.

Agree.

He is also human beings as us.

Jesus IS human, no
Jesus IS Spirit, yes
God IS Spirit, yes
God HAS Spirits, yes.
Man IS a spirit, no.
Man HAS a spirit, yes.
God becomes Created human, no
Created humans become God, no


Revealed AS a human, yes.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[soberxp]

Are you Almighty??

No.

The Gospel of Matthew

14:26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

 

[Taken]

Why didn't Jesus just go ahead and plainly say, 'I am God.' ?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Short answer…

God IS invisible to Human Eyes.

The Body God Prepared for His Word, (for when He would come into this world), was prepared in a physical form, in the Likeness AS a human man, That human men could See.

It is a mystery, that hinges on the Great POWER God possess, which human men Do Not possess, ( and likely majority of human men can not Logically grasp, Thus challenge and demand a Logical “explanation”. )

Fact IS;
Spiritual “Things” ARE NOT designed to BE “Understood” By Carnal Minded Logical Conclusions… (ie. Satisfactory to “make sense”).

Spiritual “Things” ARE designed to BE “Understood”, by, through, of the human having received Gods Gift of “Faith”.

A human man, will know (recognize), another human mans “spiritual depth, faith, by the mans own beliefs, words, works, Carnal Logical challenges, or having received Gods Gift of Faith”.)

A Carnal mind demands Logic.
A Spiritual spirit demands Truth.

God IS Spirit. God IS Truth.
Carnal Mindful Logic is irrelevant.

A man NOT blessed with Faith, challenges, wants, demands Carnal Minded Logical Understanding satisfied…BEFORE “considering to Trust or Believe an others Spiritual Understanding”.

Backwards…and impossible…as long as the individual “has Not” himself received the gift of Faith from God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[keithr]

The Gospel of John 8:29
And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

Because God with Jesus Christ, so Jesus Christ is Almighty and walking on the water.the Spirit of God living in Jesus Christ.

Josiah and Jeremiah also said that God/YHVH "is with me":

2 Chronicles 35:21 (WEB):

(21) But he sent ambassadors to him, saying, “What have I to do with you, you king of Judah? I come not against you today, but against the house with which I have war. God has commanded me to make haste. Beware that it is God who is with me, that he not destroy you.”​

Jeremiah 20:11 (WEB):

(11) But Yahweh is with me as an awesome mighty one. Therefore my persecutors will stumble, and they won’t prevail. They will be utterly disappointed, because they have not dealt wisely, even with an everlasting dishonor which will never be forgotten.​

So do you think that Josiah and Jeremiah were also God?

The Hebrew word in those verses that is translated as "with" is 'eth', which means near, together with, from or with. Just because someone is near you, or with you, that does not mean that you are them. Likewise the Greek word used in John 8:28 is 'meta', which denotes accompaniment, amid, among, with. God was with them but Josiah, Jeremiah and Jesus were not YHVH.

Jesus said, John 14:23 (WEB):

(23) Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.​

So if Jesus and our heavenly Father (God) are with us, are we also God and Jesus? I think your reasoning is flawed.

He is also human beings as us.

The Scriptures also say:

Numbers 23:19 (WEB):

(19) God is not a man, ...​

Malachi 3:6 (WEB):

(6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.​

So God said that he does not change (Hebrew word 'shanah' meaning change, alter, to disguise oneself), so God does not appear as a man, nor is He a man.

 

[TLHKAJ]

No.

The Gospel of Matthew

14:26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.

14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.

14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.

14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.

And? Are you saying Peter was Almighty? So you understand the power that comes to us when we have faith IN the Almighty Jesus Christ? That's why Peter could walk on the water. Notice when Peter got his eyes off Jesus, he began to fear and he sank. The only way we can do anything of merit is by faith in the Almighty ....Jesus Christ.

 

[keithr]

Jesus (the Word) humbled Himself and took upon Himself the FORM of a man. He thought it not robery that although He had been "in the form" (or the same very nature) of God and was equal with God, that then He came and took on the form of a man, a servant. This was the ultimate example of humility. And after His example, we are to follow ...if He can humble Himself, so can we.

Philippians 2:6-8
[6]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
[7]But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8]And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

That's a poor translation - so poor that it means the opposite of what it should say! Consider a literal translation:

Philippians 2:5-9 (LSV):

(5) For let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,​

(6) who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not something to be seized to be equal to God,​

(7) but emptied Himself, having taken the form of a servant, having been made in the likeness of men,​

(8) and having been found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself, having become obedient to death—even death of a cross,​

(9) for this reason, also, God highly exalted Him, and gave to Him a Name that [is] above every name,​

Paul says that we should be as humble as Jesus was, who although he was a mighty spirit being like God (but not immortal), with power to create the universe and all life on earth, he did not consider trying to be equal with God, but instead humbled himself and was willing for God to change him to become a human being, so that he could become a willing sacrifice to give the human race the opportunity for eternal life.

God changed Jesus to become a man - Hebrews 10:5 (WEB):

(5) For this reason, coming into the world, He says, “Sacrifice and offering You did not will, and a body You prepared for Me,​

and it was God who rasied Jesus to life again (Acts 13:30, "But God raised him from the dead"). Therefore, God did not then highly exalt Himself, he exalted His beloved only begotten Son Jesus, because of Jesus' humilty and obedience. It makes no sense for God to exalt Himself and to give Himself a name above every name. God already had a name - YHVH - Exodus 3:15 (LSV):

(15) And God says again to Moses, “Thus you say to the sons of Israel: YHWH, God of your fathers, God of Abraham, God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you; this [is] My Name for all time, and this [is] My memorial, to generation [and] generation.​

 

[TLHKAJ]

That's a poor translation - so poor that it means the opposite of what it should say! Consider a literal translation:

Philippians 2:5-9 (LSV):
(5) For let this mind be in you that [is] also in Christ Jesus,(6) who, being in the form of God, thought [it] not something to be seized to be equal to God,

You have chosen a version of bible that agrees with your false gospel. They have added the words "something to be." The word is correctly translated in the KJV, "robbery."

Philippians 2:6
[6]Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God


John 5:18
[18]Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[TLHKAJ]

If you do not believe Jesus is God ...that He is who He says He is ....He came out from God, from above and not just a mere man.... then you will die in your sins.

John 8:23-24
[23]And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
[24]I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 3:11-18
[11]Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
[12]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
[13]And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
[14]And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
[15]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 8:58
[58]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

 

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then you will die in your sins.

TLHKAJ said...If you do not believe Jesus is God ...that He is who He says He is ....He came out from God, from above and not just a mere man.... then you will die in your sins.


RJ says, there is nowhere in Gods word that says, if we don’t believe Jesus is God, we will die in our sins..

‘Tis The Spirit who witnessed to my spirit that I am Gods child, that was His Living testimony, having never read a Bible in my life...

You must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God....only the Living Spirit can perform that supernatural act..

It’s our spirit that knows it’s Born Again.Spirit gives birth to spirit......when it is..there can be no denying it...in Jesus Name...Amen!

Don’t deceive the brethren with your fear mongering and unbiblical nonsense.in the Name Of Jesus...you will be accountable one day for this false teaching.when you stand before God.


15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

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24]I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

This is not saying, if we don’t believe that Jesus is God, we will die in ours sins.

It’s saying once we have the Living testimony/ witness testifying with our spirit that we are Gods children....if we deny that heart/ spirit truth that we received to our spirit

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself


..plus imo a Born Again could/ would never deny the Living God, because they know him in their spirit...that’s where the Living Spirit/ seed resides in us...in our “ spirit “....we are Born Again by Gods Living Witness/ Seed,not by scripture verses...

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

 

[TLHKAJ]

TLHKAJ said...If you do not believe Jesus is God ...that He is who He says He is ....He came out from God, from above and not just a mere man.... then you will die in your sins.


RJ says, there is nowhere in Gods word that says, if we don’t believe Jesus is God, we will die in our sins.

Scripture speaks for itself. Jesus IS the Word which IS God. If you choose not to believe on Him ....so be it. I'm not arguing against the truth.

 

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Scripture speaks for itself. Jesus IS the Word which IS God. If you choose not to believe on Him ....so be it. I'm not arguing against the truth.

I am not arguing either...I was prompted to point out your error, now it’s up to you to humble yourself and receive it.

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself