Where did the Bible come from? - Shot out of a canon
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I quoted you word for word: "ALL humans have sinned against God and all are going to hell forever and ever."
If you had ever read the Bible you would know:
Psalm 111:10
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
Wise up!
Of course we should fear the Lord, He is our Creator, He is Holy, we are sinners in need for Christ, else we are nothing. We need to be born again. That's our base.
And if we are :
1 John 4:16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.
1 John 4:17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.
1 John 4:19 We love because he first loved us.
Stop your fear for hell, praise God for His love instead.
A born again Christian is bought with a price, sealed with the Holy Spirit.
I am sure you know these passages.
And you would've read a number of times why I said that, that's why context is so important.
Are you ok to share the context of my quotes since you've read my posts.
If you haven't please ask and I'll be more than happy to share it.
I quoted you word for word: "ALL humans have sinned against God and all are going to hell forever and ever."
That's not what you actually stated. You specifically said, quote, 'Anyone who believes the Bible is afraid! Those who aren't are heading for the FIRE'.
I appreciate that this could be your interpretation of what David, Paul or Jesus said but not what they actually said or meant.
Is your quote the word of God? Just seeking some clarification.
Why would anyone believe someone who says we will all burn in Hell FOREVER? lol
I know you are uni, I am not, but I have the desire to believe it, and actually today I realized the Lord has the same desire!, on several occasions in Scripture we read He desires everybody to be saved. A wow moment.
I will share some of my thoughts in separate post, long winded I am afraid.
One mysterious verse, the blue. I am still here and yet also seated with Jesus in the heavenly realms. Are there 2 of me?
I like Universalism because I am a softy who likes harmony and good Hollywood endings, but that's not my main reason, my main reason is that the Father and the Son in the end get what they always desired, that all come to repentance, wouldn't that be great for Them?
Having said that, I am not into Universalism because there are too much Scripture passages that speak against it. Nevertheless I will share my philosophical pondering (thus no proper exegesis!) about Universalism.
Actually they are questions, unanswerable questions.
1a What if we had the same chance as A&E, would we have done better?
1b But we did not, why not? But maybe we did?
2. While God knew everything on beforehand, why did God allow the devil to tempt A&E ?
3. Why did God not throw the devil immediately into the lake of fire, but allowed him power (although on a leash) instead ?
4a Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
4b However, no warning / concept of hell. Why not?
5. No concept of hell in the whole OT, but there is a dawn of hell, the concept of eternal shame in Daniel 12:2 [2nd-century BC]
6. Hebr 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment. What exactly happens after death with :
6a Those who lived before Christ and never heard the gospel but lived a life in accordance with Romans 1?
6b Those who lived after Christ but never heard the gospel but lived a life in accordance with Romans 1?
6c With respect to 6a and 6b, will those not immediately fall on their knees and accept Christ?
6d Are there no second chances, repentance in the afterlife? We know the desire of the Lord, that all repent. So why not?
7. Scripture hinting at Universalism :
1Tim 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.
Filipp 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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I would say that God's plan for humankind is not so self-serving.
I call it the ultimate triumph of grace. Jesus taught us to love our enemies.
What would His ultimate expression of that look like?
Yes, unfortunately, the scriptures are contradictory concerning the "final judgement".
But you will rarely see a Damnationist challenge an Annihilationist. Why?
Ironically, Adam and Eve had already decided to be obedient.
They were deceived into disobeying God.
Furthermore, Adam did not understand the consequences. How could He?
He also misinformed his wife, which the serpent used to his advantage.
--- PARODY ---
Serpent: Did God really say... ?
Eve: He said don't eat and don't touch.
Adam: Oops, my bad, I said don't touch.
Eve: What?! God didn't say that? !!!
Adam: No, I added that because
I know you like to touch things without thinking.
Eve: So, you don't trust me? !!!
Adam: I'm looking out for our best interests. My job.
Eve: I see.
Serpent: Are you going to eat, or not? !!!
Eve: Let me check with the boss. - LOL
Adam: Scram serpent!
Serpent: Hiss... (walks away dejected)
Eve: Hey, let's check out that other tree.
Adam: Good idea!
Indeed.
It's part of the story of the Redemption of Humankind. We needed to be saved from something.
Evaluation and consequences are saved for the Age of Reconciliation.
What warning of hell? (for Noah)
Had they not already been through hell? (global genocide)
The earth opened and people when straight down to the realm of the dead. (Numbers 16:33)
That sounds like hell to me.
Universalism to the rescue.
Every Nation, leader (both political and religious) and every individual will be evaluated.
Rewards, reconciliation, correction and restoration will happen at that time.
Excellent.
Did you cut them out of your Bible, or are they true?
"... in heaven and on earth and under the earth..." (in the realm of the dead)
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You have read, the wages of sin is death. All died in Adam. All have sinned. O wretched man that I am. Being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
All humans therefore deserve to suffer the consequences of their sin. Judgement, punishment, death, hell.
BUT, there's more......
The loving merciful gracious Creator already had a rescue plan for His own creation.
We know He sent His Christ to be the Sacrificial Lamb to take away the sin of the world, the second Adam, the Saviour, Redeemer to reconcile His creation to Himself.
Oh the precious mercy of this God and Creator which endures forever.
Feel free to quote me on this.
You are good answering my questions with counter questions, just kidding, as for an answer I would say :
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.
Filipp 2:10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Note, these verses include all the creatures in heaven as well, thus also the devil will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
And finally,
1Cor 15:24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power.
1Cor 15:25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
1Cor 15:27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.
1Cor 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.
What started with the fall of the devil, the first sin (not A&E) in the history of the heavens, later passed to A&E finally is restored and harmony will return as it was before the fall of the devil.
Question for you... ha ha....
Did God create us humans because of the fall of the devil ?
I will address all your other points in separate posts because I dislike long posts.
Very good question. I'm glad others are digging deeper. Keep going and it may blow you away as to what you will find.
So many haven't realised that a few humans (Catholic priests/leaders) have pushed the pause/stop button on God's eternal never ending story.
They closed the biblical canon so that no further revelation should be considered. In fact they even forbid people to seek truth outside their book they called the Holy Bible.
Of course there are those of us who will not heed their warnings and subject ourselves to their lies.
We keep going on this amazing adventure in pursuit of truth. Praise God for His appointed tour Guide, the Spirit of Truth Who leads us into all truth as Jesus, the Word of God Himself, promised.
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This grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ, and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, according to his eternal purpose that he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
His eternal purpose. That sounds like a very long drawn out story. So around 7000 years are covered by the 66 books of the bible which doesn't sound like eternal to me.
So what has gone on before the biblical records and goes on beyond them?
Thankfully Christ knows and we have His mind so we can know too. That's very cool hey.
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
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