Amillennialism is an obsolete and outdated eschatological fabrication.

[covenantee]

And to do this, you must deny the clear ethnic references to "the house of Israel", "the seed of Israel", "the house of Judah", "Jacob", all these pinpoint the nation of Israel as understood in the prophet's day.

False.

Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from its birth and throughout its existence. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22.

Furthermore, Jacob's mother Rebekah was not a descendant of Abraham, therefore she was a Gentile, and thus Jacob and all of his descendants were of mixed blood and thus also Gentiles.

Dispensationalism's very survival is dependent upon the promulgation and perpetuation of its illicit intrinsic talmudic zionist racism.

But God is not a racist.

Nor can He be contorted into one, despite dispensationalism's incessant desperate attempts to do so.

Because Scripture is unambiguous.

“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” – Romans 10:12

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.” – Ephesians 2:14

“Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” – Colossians 3:11

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

False.

Israel was comprised of both Jews and Gentiles from its birth and throughout its existence. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22.

Furthermore, Jacob's mother Rebekah was not a descendant of Abraham, thus she was a Gentile, and thus Jacob and all of his descendants were of mixed blood and thus also Gentiles.

Dispensationalism's very survival is dependent upon the promulgation and perpetuation of illicit intrinsic talmudic zionist racism.

But God is not a racist.

Nor can He be contorted into one, despite dispensationalism's incessant desperate attempts to do so.

Because Scripture is unambiguous.

“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” – Romans 10:12

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.” – Ephesians 2:14

“Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” – Colossians 3:11

Agree. Paul said that Gentiles are fellow heirs of God's promises with the Jews (Ephesians 3:1-6), but dispensationalists do not accept that. because of their bias against Gentiles. Also, the lack of respect that Paul gets from Premills is just unbelievable to me. They reject so much of what he taught. I sometimes wonder if some of them have ever even read any of Paul's letters.

 

[Truth7t7]

Agree, except we should clarify that the kingdom of God was only taken from unbelieving Jews like the Pharisees and scribes that Jesus ranted against (see Matthew 23) and not from believing Jews who remained in the kingdom.

The believing Jews were the elect remnant that Paul wrote about in Romans 11:1-7 and the kingdom of God was obviously not taken from them. They remained in the Israel of God (the church). I say this for the benefit of those who accuse us of believing in "replacement theology" to show that we do not claim that Israel as a whole was replaced as they think we do. Instead, Gentile believers were grafted in with them. Paul made it clear that God did not cast away national Israel because there was still a believing remnant (Romans 11:1-5), but these dispensationalists try to claim that we believe God cast Israel away completely.

I agree with your explanation, I use Romans below in explanation, sorta like a Spiritual Israelite

(Replacement Theology) is a term invented specifically by dispensationalism, as they falsely teach (Dual Covenant Theology) one for the Jew one for the Church

Romans 2:28-29KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul tells us about the two covenants in Galatians 3
Both saved Christians and saved Jews are one new man in Christ (Ephesians 2:14-18) and are of the covenant with the new Jerusalem from above which is free.
You do know the sons are free of this world having their citizenship in heaven, so why would there be an old earthly millennial reign? Makes no sense to me and it's a really carnal doctrine of the flesh.

Since God foreknew His people, guess what He saves them, none He foreknew are cast away, but all the others God did not foreknow are never saved. Like Christ tells them, I never knew you, depart from me you workers of evil. Evil?? Yes, as their father is the devil who planted them in God's field the world. Refer the parables of the TARES. Only the elect of God obtain salvation as God is their Father, and he gave them new birth. At some point if anyone turns to the Lord, then you can know they are elect if they hold firm their confidence in God to the end (from our POV, God already knows His people who will believe until the end as God elected them). Election in the NC means chosen by God for salvation, so all who are elected by God are saved.

Hebrews 3
5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward,
6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope [a]firm to the end.

Romans 11
I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

You can NOT educate someone to know the Lord and be saved. Only God teaches His elect. Read Hebrews 8 on the New Covenant.

Galatians 3
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 4

Two Covenants​

21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:

“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”

28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

 

[Scott Downey]

Agree. Paul said that Gentiles are fellow heirs of God's promises with the Jews (Ephesians 3:1-6), but dispensationalists do not accept that. because of their bias against Gentiles. Also, the lack of respect that Paul gets from Premills is just unbelievable to me. They reject so much of what he taught. I sometimes wonder if some of them have ever even read any of Paul's letters.

Here it is
Ephesian 2

Brought Near by His Blood​

11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Christ Our Peace​

14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

 

[Scott Downey]

Galatians 3 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 4 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.

And what was the promise? That Abraham would have a son.

Through Isaac, you seed shall be called...
This is a very important teaching, one of the deep things of God.

The entirety of our calling and resultant salvation is based on the promise God made to Abraham as in our sonship, which we have been gifted to be called the sons of God, because of God's great love for and towards us. We are like Isaac was, a child of God's promise. God pronounced the decree, and we are elect and saved as one of the children of God by a promise, not of anything we did. Of course we react positively to this, receiving His as Lord. God promises Himself that He will have sons. God promises Christ that Christ will have brethren.

Romans 8
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Romans 9
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

 

[The Light]

Dispensationalism's very survival is dependent upon the promulgation and perpetuation of its illicit intrinsic talmudic zionist racism.

You are categorically compounding the supposed delineation of obtuse narratives resulting in a negative oppression of Dispensationalism.

 

[covenantee]

You are categorically compounding the supposed delineation of obtuse narratives resulting in a negative oppression of Dispensationalism.

Prove me wrong.

 

[The Light]

Prove me wrong.

I just did. Didn't you read my post?

 

[marks]

Dispensationalism's very survival is dependent upon the promulgation and perpetuation of its illicit intrinsic talmudic zionist racism.

What a riot! You really believe this? That's nuts!

Dispensationalism is based on a literal reading of Scripture, something that seems lost to many, as they make up their own interpretations, changing the meanings of words around.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I just did. Didn't you read my post?

Maybe he read it the same way he reads the Bible?

Much love!

 

[covenantee]

Dispensationalism is based on a literal reading of Scripture

Excellent. So what does a literal reading of the following Scriptures tell you about Jews and Gentiles?

“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” – Romans 10:12

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.” – Ephesians 2:14

“Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” – Colossians 3:11

 

[The Light]

What a riot! You really believe this? That's nuts!

Dispensationalism is based on a literal reading of Scripture, something that seems lost to many, as they make up their own interpretations, changing the meanings of words around.

Much love!

This is from another thread. I about fell out of my chair laughing.

We read scripture literally. God tells us about the 7 seals, and 7 trumpets and the 7 vials. This poster had issue that I was keeping the numbers in order as he claimed that the events didn't happen in order. I explained if the events were not to be taken in order why would God number them. Here is his response to that.

"Christ was MORE precise with describing the TYPE OF EVENT. And common sense by that ought to be the default method of understanding those events too, instead of trying to use some fake Jewish Gematria Occult method."

Some of this stuff is just unbelievable. Where did that come from? LOL

 

[The Light]

Excellent. So what does a literal reading of the following Scriptures tell you about Jews and Gentiles?

“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” – Romans 10:12

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.” – Ephesians 2:14

“Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” – Colossians 3:11

I think you'll find the answer here if you understand it.

John 10
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[marks]

Excellent. So what does a literal reading of the following Scriptures tell you about Jews and Gentiles?

“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” – Romans 10:12

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.” – Ephesians 2:14

“Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” – Colossians 3:11

None of these passages negates God's promise to preserve and save the nation of Israel, the children of Jacob. Not a one.

And you even quote from the same place in Romans where God re-affirms this. It truly makes me wonder how you can miss this. But then, I already know you method of interpretation, "common sense, so called, trumps exegesis." I don't roll that way. I just stick with the exegesis.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This is from another thread. I about fell out of my chair laughing.

We read scripture literally. God tells us about the 7 seals, and 7 trumpets and the 7 vials. This poster had issue that I was keeping the numbers in order as he claimed that the events didn't happen in order. I explained if the events were not to be taken in order why would God number them. Here is his response to that.

"Christ was MORE precise with describing the TYPE OF EVENT. And common sense by that ought to be the default method of understanding those events too, instead of trying to use some fake Jewish Gematria Occult method."

Some of this stuff is just unbelievable. Where did that come from? LOL

Very telling!

I suppose the idea is that God was as sloppy writing the Bible as some are at reading it.

Much love!

 

[covenantee]

None of these passages negates God's promise to preserve and save the nation of Israel, the children of Jacob. Not a one.

And you even quote from the same place in Romans where God re-affirms this. It truly makes me wonder how you can miss this. But then, I already know you method of interpretation, "common sense, so called, trumps exegesis." I don't roll that way. I just stick with the exegesis.

Much love!

You've been shown multiple times that Israel was always comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

A remnant nation?

 

[Scott Downey]

Excellent. So what does a literal reading of the following Scriptures tell you about Jews and Gentiles?

“For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him.” – Romans 10:12

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

“For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility.” – Ephesians 2:14

“Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.” – Colossians 3:11

Yes, there is only one people of God. Jesus calls them ONE FLOCK, with one shepherd who leads them

Anyone who says there are two separate people groups of God disregards Christ's teaching.
They should examine their beliefs and see what is going on wrongly with them.

John 10

15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

 

[marks]

You've been shown multiple times that Israel was always comprised of both Jews and Gentiles.

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

A remnant nation?

Maybe a review of Zechariah is in order for you, but I wonder whether that will help you considering the violence you do to the text.

Anyway, this will only continue to be a fruitless exchange. I simply encourage you to believe the words written in the normal way they would be understood by the original speaker and hearer, without substituting meanings to something that "makes more sense to you".

Hear God.

Much love!

 

[covenantee]

None of these passages negates God's promise to preserve and save the nation of Israel, the children of Jacob. Not a one.

And you even quote from the same place in Romans where God re-affirms this. It truly makes me wonder how you can miss this. But then, I already know you method of interpretation, "common sense, so called, trumps exegesis." I don't roll that way. I just stick with the exegesis.

Much love!

Are you allergic to chapter and verse specifications?

What is "the same place in Romans" and what does it reaffirm?