Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Mink57]

Our premarital counseling was a joke. The pastor's daughter who wasn't married herself did it because the pastor didn't want to. Apparently he's not a fan of interracial couples.

Ugh. Sorry to say, that SUX.

Funny thing though...feminism actually supports interracial couples.

I wouldve been better prepared practicallly with skills to run a household.

But...what does that even mean? I mean, for ONE couple, it may mean that you're prepared to do all the bookkeeping for the family. For another, it may mean to ''allow" the MAN to deal with ALL the finances. Yet, I'm sure you know that some men don't do to well with bill-paying, and neither do some women.

Plus, what about 'his' "skills" to be a husband?

Spiritually, I wish I had been taught that all Christians are to serve, not just servant hearted ones. Chores and daily tasks are great opportunities to serve.

Sure. But that's between BOTH husband and wife. The 'burden' to serve doesn't MOSTLY fall to the wife.

I also wish Id been taught more from Genesis 2 for the helpmate teaching,(no 50/50 partnerships) Titus 2:3-5 for the keepers at home teaching Id never heard and Ephesians 5.

Maybe you could start with Genesis 1.

I probably would have resisted some of the teaching. Its not as if I parted ways with feminism over night. But at least I wouldve had more truth to wrestle with.

More truth? Like I said above, START with Genesis ONE.

 

[Wrangler]

Obeying the Will of God isn't the same as obeying the will of MEN.

No one said it is. However, now that you mention it, there is overlap.

 

[Mink57]

No one said it is. However, now that you mention it, there is overlap.

Of course there is. In both Christian men's and women's lives, their MAIN focus should be on GOD.

But by the same token, do we REALLY know when God is speaking to us?

A story I think I've mentioned before....

Right after the Covid church 'ban' was lifted, I went to church. Greeted people I had known with a hug. A nicely dressed man saw me giving hugs to people and said, "Well...as long as you're giving out hugs...." and he spread his arms. I laughed and gave him a hug too. I went to sit in the church and he FOLLOWED me. Squeezed in next to me...and I'm like, "What the HECK?" This all happened so fast, but he grabbed my hand, interlaced his finger with mine and said, "God told me that we're meant to be together."

I got up from my seat and said, "God never told ME that!!" and I left the church. Actually went and 'hid' in the ladies room for about 15 minutes. A friend finally came in, and we waited together until the guy left (turned out he was trying to recruit into a different church)

What was I supposed to do? Say, "Oh, well, if GOD is telling YOU that, then *I* should OBEY???"

 

[MA2444]

I don’t take advice from someone who slaps his girlfriend or uses any type of physical violence against a woman.

And just so you know I mean what I say, my ex-wife was physically abusive with me three times. Twice she slapped me across the face and once she tried to strangle me. Never, did I hit her in retaliation or use physical violence against her.

Who's talking about violence? That's another subject almost.

I used to have a girlfriend in the 80's and three times she slapped me in the face to help make her point I guess. I never hit that that girl in public but the very first time she tried it at home I smacked her back and she went flying! She didn't slap me no more after that, huh.

Those girls who want to get physical can be showed to the door rather quickly. I didnt have to deal with that during my marriage, and neither did she.

I say if a woman is big enough to take a poke at a man, then their big enough to get knocked on their butt like a man.

 

[MA2444]

But it doesn't mean that men are the boss of women, either.

No, that's in a different verse, lol.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I say if a woman is big enough to take a poke at a man, then their big enough to get knocked on their butt like a man.

She isn't a man. That's the point. It would have taken more strength to restrain yourself and show her the door rather than to "knock her on her butt like a man." You used your physical strength in the wrong way. It was wrong for her to slap you (assuming what I don't know of the circumstances). But you would have made a stronger statement had you not hit her. I'm sure her little slap didn't do much more than sting your skin a little. She didn't hit you like a man.

I see more strength in @Naomanos's response to his ex-wife. He is no doubt very secure in the Lord as a man. His ex no doubt remembers the message he sent in not reacting in a fleshly manner. She can look back and see that there was a man who loved her and showed her mercy. God will speak through that.

 

[Naomanos]

Who's talking about violence? That's another subject almost.

I used to have a girlfriend in the 80's and three times she slapped me in the face to help make her point I guess. I never hit that that girl in public but the very first time she tried it at home I smacked her back and she went flying! She didn't slap me no more after that, huh.

Those girls who want to get physical can be showed to the door rather quickly. I didnt have to deal with that during my marriage, and neither did she.

I say if a woman is big enough to take a poke at a man, then their big enough to get knocked on their butt like a man.

As I said, I do not take advice from men (calling you a man is an actual stretch as men do not use physical violence against women) who slap their girlfriends, for any reason and yes, slapping is physical violence. You are literally bragging about it. "I never hit that that girl in public but the very first time she tried it at home I smacked her back and she went flying!"

I will ask you to no longer respond to me.

 

[Mink57]

Who's talking about violence? That's another subject almost.

I used to have a girlfriend in the 80's and three times she slapped me in the face to help make her point I guess. I never hit that that girl in public but the very first time she tried it at home I smacked her back and she went flying! She didn't slap me no more after that, huh.

Those girls who want to get physical can be showed to the door rather quickly. I didnt have to deal with that during my marriage, and neither did she.

I say if a woman is big enough to take a poke at a man, then their big enough to get knocked on their butt like a man.

Wow...how "Christian" of you...(Alert! Sarcasm detected!)

Oh and by the way....the word "their" is supposed to be "they're".

 

[Mink57]

No, that's in a different verse, lol.

No...it isn't.

SHOW me the verse....

 

[Mink57]

She isn't a man. That's the point. It would have taken more strength to restrain yourself and show her the door rather than to "knock her on her butt like a man." You used your physical strength in the wrong way. It was wrong for her to slap you (assuming what I don't know of the circumstances). But you would have made a stronger statement had you not hit her. I'm sure her little slap didn't do much more than sting your skin a little. She didn't hit you like a man.

I see more strength in @Naomanos's response to his ex-wife. He is no doubt very secure in the Lord as a man. His ex no doubt remembers the message he sent in not reacting in a fleshly manner. She can look back and see that there was a man who loved her and showed her mercy. God will speak through that.

Thing is, she didnt even slap him. She "sloshed" water in his face. Like I said, "punishment does NOT fit the 'crime'

 

[TLHKAJ]

Thing is, she didnt even slap him. She "sloshed" water in his face. Like I said, "punishment does NOT fit the 'crime'

WOW!! Just ....no wonder....

 

[Wrangler]

Out of love, I write a longer than usual post ...

No one said it is. However, now that you mention it, there is overlap.

But by the same token, do we REALLY know when God is speaking to us?

Dear sister, Your salvation depends on REALLY knowing.
John 17:1-3 (emphasis added)
“Father... this is the way to have eternal life—to (REALLY) know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Your contentious spirit, giant ego and refusal to take responsibility is keeping you from God, keeping you from REALLY knowing the way to have eternal life. This is why I often say I will pray for you. (Maybe you are like my wife, taking on too much responsibility, refuses to accept the limits of what she is responsible for. Yesterday, she was at the hospital for 7 hours to be with her former mother-in-law. Now, she is paying the price, in bed and in pain. She over did it. And taking on too much responsibility, is paradoxically just another way of not being responsible. Not enjoying a beautiful Sunday with me.) Exodus 18:17-22

Ever watch Empire Strikes Back? Luke asks Yoda how he will know the good side from the bad side. Yoda gives a master class that applies in the REAL world. "You will know when you are calm, at peace, passive. Yoda sensed a lot of anger in Luke and I sense a lack of peace and lack of passivity in you. (You are not wrangling with me; you are wrangling with God.)

A story I think I've mentioned before....

... A nicely dressed man ... grabbed my hand, interlaced his finger with mine and said, "God told me that we're meant to be together."

Maybe he was right.

You are constantly seeking a way out from the burden of moral absolutes. Always searching for exemptions, qualifiers and conditions where you do not have to obey the will of God. You assert moral relativism as a divide between you and your Creator's plan for you ... what about this situation or that scenario? There is no way out! Gods commands are all unconditional.

Honor my mother and father? Ugh? Don't you know how they treated me? Other's are even worse. I heard this story ... It is not about justice. It is not about whether they earned being honored in your opinion. It is not because of my parents skills as parents that I honor them; I honor my parents unconditionally as a way to honor God. And it is the same for a wife with her husband. Your husband earned being unconditionally respected by you when you chose him at the altar. This is the way.

If you have not unconditionally submitted to God, then you have not REALLY submitted to God. And he is not the Lord of your life. And this is a salvation issue!


Romans 10:9
If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Of course there is. In both Christian men's and women's lives, their MAIN focus should be on GOD.

And this is where feminism fails, the main focus is NOT on God.

I pray you meditate on this post and God's revealed words in it, that you learn anew Hebrews 4:12, God's word sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow, exposing your innermost thoughts and desires. Come to Jesus and triumph over feminism, as @Wynona has.

 

[Wrangler]

She isn't a man. That's the point. It would have taken more strength to restrain yourself and show her the door rather than to "knock her on her butt like a man."

If it weren't for double standards, feminism would have none at all.

You can't demand equality AND special accommodation at the same time!

 

[MA2444]

She isn't a man. That's the point. It would have taken more strength to restrain yourself and show her the door rather than to "knock her on her butt like a man." You used your physical strength in the wrong way. It was wrong for her to slap you (assuming what I don't know of the circumstances). But you would have made a stronger statement had you not hit her. I'm sure her little slap didn't do much more than sting your skin a little. She didn't hit you like a man.

I see more strength in @Naomanos's response to his ex-wife. He is no doubt very secure in the Lord as a man. His ex no doubt remembers the message he sent in not reacting in a fleshly manner. She can look back and see that there was a man who loved her and showed her mercy. God will speak through that.

I didnt hit her like a man. I slapped her. That was enough. Jut because women dont slap that hard doesnt mean they should be allowed to get away with it.

She can stand there and yel and scream all day and that's fine, no reason to hit her. But if she walks up and smacks' me in the face then she is going to be picking herself back up off the floor, and rightly so.

 

[Mink57]

Out of love, I write a longer than usual post ...





Dear sister, Your salvation depends on REALLY knowing.
John 17:1-3 (emphasis added)
“Father... this is the way to have eternal life—to (REALLY) know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

Your contentious spirit, giant ego and refusal to take responsibility is keeping you from God, keeping you from REALLY knowing the way to have eternal life. This is why I often say I will pray for you. (Maybe you are like my wife, taking on too much responsibility, refuses to accept the limits of what she is responsible for. Yesterday, she was at the hospital for 7 hours to be with her former mother-in-law. Now, she is paying the price, in bed and in pain. She over did it. And taking on too much responsibility, is paradoxically just another way of not being responsible. Not enjoying a beautiful Sunday with me.) Exodus 18:17-22

Ever watch Empire Strikes Back? Luke asks Yoda how he will know the good side from the bad side. Yoda gives a master class that applies in the REAL world. "You will know when you are calm, at peace, passive. Yoda sensed a lot of anger in Luke and I sense a lack of peace and lack of passivity in you. (You are not wrangling with me; you are wrangling with God.)

Maybe he was right.

Oh, stop it already. You know darn well he wasn't right. God told Mary AND Joseph what the score was. He didn't leave either in the wings. He may have believed that "God to him SO," but God to ME, "NO!"

",
You are constantly seeking a way out from the burden of moral absolutes. Always searching for exemptions, qualifiers and conditions where you do not have to obey the will of God. You assert moral relativism as a divide between you and your Creator's plan for you ... what about this situation or that scenario? There is no way out! Gods commands are all unconditional.

Maybe you should actually READ the bible....

Honor my mother and father? Ugh? Don't you know how they treated me? Other's are even worse. I heard this story ... It is not about justice. It is not about whether they earned being honored in your opinion. It is not because of my parents skills as parents that I honor them; I honor my parents unconditionally as a way to honor God. And it is the same for a wife with her husband. Your husband earned being unconditionally respected by you when you chose him at the altar. This is the way.

Bull. My husband(s) didn't "earn" anything, simply because they married me. Takes MORE than that.

If you have not unconditionally submitted to God, then you have not REALLY submitted to God. And he is not the Lord of your life. And this is a salvation issue!

I submit to GOD. I do NOT "submit" to men, simply because of some interpretation of the bible.
In men's favor, of course.

Romans 10:9
If you openly declare that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


And this is where feminism fails, the main focus is NOT on God.

I pray you meditate on this post and God's revealed words in it, that you learn anew Hebrews 4:12, God's word sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow, exposing your innermost thoughts and desires. Come to Jesus and triumph over feminism, as @Wynona has.

Nice try.....

 

[TLHKAJ]

I didnt hit her like a man. I slapped her. That was enough. Jut because women dont slap that hard doesnt mean they should be allowed to get away with it.

She can stand there and yel and scream all day and that's fine, no reason to hit her. But if she walks up and smacks' me in the face then she is going to be picking herself back up off the floor, and rightly so.

You contradict yourself. You said she slapped you. You HIT her ....no mere slap sends someone flying across the room, or onto the floor.

 

[Wynona]

@Mink57

You asked several times about the husband. Lots of Scriptures address husbands, but if Im a wife, I cannot control the actions of my husband. I focus on what I can control and the verses that apply to me.

I entered marriage with a mindset that as long as my husband did his part and made me happy, I would do my part.

Except this is not a Godly marriage covenant mindset but a conditional contract. God expects me to do my part as a wife as long as its possible, not based on my husband's behaviour. If he fails to love me as Christ loved the Church, Im only held accountable for how I respond.

Husbands who don't obey the Word are to be won by their wives behaviour without words (1 Peter 3:1-7). I not only failed to do this, I was a selfish and vain woman who justified leaving three times and having an emotional affair. The affair was the last straw and I finally realized that I was the problem in our marriage as much as my husband was.

It doesn't matter that my husband had his own issues. I can't control him. I can only control me. And I failed to love him. A Christian always loves. But Im thankful now because that event of failing as a wife and being forgiven overhauled my faith.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I didnt hit her like a man. I slapped her. That was enough. Jut because women dont slap that hard doesnt mean they should be allowed to get away with it.

She can stand there and yel and scream all day and that's fine, no reason to hit her. But if she walks up and smacks' me in the face then she is going to be picking herself back up off the floor, and rightly so.

You contradict yourself. You said she slapped you. You HIT her ....no mere slap sends someone flying across the room, or onto the floor.

 

[MA2444]

As I said, I do not take advice from men (calling you a man is an actual stretch as men do not use physical violence against women) who slap their girlfriends, for any reason and yes, slapping is physical violence. You are literally bragging about it. "I never hit that that girl in public but the very first time she tried it at home I smacked her back and she went flying!"

I will ask you to no longer respond to me.

Are you a man? I thought you was, but maybe you've been hanging out with the girls too much. Know how I can tell? "A real man wont hit his woman and will stand there and take the abuse!"

You have the audacity to call my manhood into question right after you admitted that you let women beat you up. lol! Umm, ok I guess. To each his own lol.

 

[Mink57]

If it weren't for double standards, feminism would have none at all.

You can't demand equality AND special accommodation at the same time!

That's just IT, Wrangler. You've been taken in by other ant-feminist positions of "women want equality in ALL areas"
Nothing could be further from the truth.

As a woman, I don't want to BE a man. But I want equal opportunity as men have. The opportunity to vote...to work and make the same wage as a man in the same profession as a man...to work in the profession without being sexually harassed by other men...to not be told that as a woman I "belong in the kitchen and having babies"...

If *I* decide that I DON'T want to get married and have babies why is that NOT o.k. for a woman, yet perfectly fine for a man? You can't say, "well, women have all the biological equipment to have kids" Because in THAT case, SO DO MEN.

Most feminists aren't demanding "equality" as in, "Women should be men, and there should be no gender difference" The OUTLIER feminists do this. But I'm not an outlier. When Trump of having two...and ONLY two genders, I literally APPLAUDED him for saying that!

Even though I didn't vote for him....