Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

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More likely he was thinking of John 11:26 (WEB):

(26) Whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”​
No doubt he was thinking of that. And perhaps one or two other texts with the same promise. That doesn't cancel other promises that such a life without death doesn't start until Jesus returns and either we are resurrected, or changed. Changed from mortal to immortal.
 

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More likely he was thinking of John 11:26 (WEB):

(26) Whoever lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this?”​
You fellas would have a more balanced view of scripture if you took into account all scriptures pertaining to the topic...
“Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. ”
Luke 20:36 KJV

When does that resurrection take place? At the second coming... Not before.
 

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Most people argue about where that darn comma in the verse is supposed to be! Let's forget about the comma.

If it was Jesus's intention to communicate that the thief would be in his kingdom eventually in the future, he likely would have said "You will be with me in paradise", which of course, doesn't designate when.

However, Jesus used "TODAY" because that is exactly what he meant. Jesus told him "You'll be with me in paradise TODAY"!

Most correct!

And per the 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4, Jesus at His resurrection went and preached The Gospel to the "spirits in prison", those souls that had died back to Old Testament times that didn't hear about Christ. And it was prophesied in Isaiah that He would bring the prisoners out of the darkness of that prison house, meaning those who believed The Gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV



That Jesus would go preach The Gospel to those "spirits in prison" at His resurrection...

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes,
to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV

And for this reason, The Gospel was also preached to the "dead", so they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV
 
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Most correct!

And per the 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4, Jesus at His resurrection went and preached The Gospel to the "spirits in prison", those souls that had died back to Old Testament times that didn't hear about Christ. And it was prophesied in Isaiah that He would bring the prisoners out of the darkness of that prison house, meaning those who believed The Gospel.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV



That Jesus would go preach The Gospel to those "spirits in prison" at His resurrection...

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes,
to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV

And for this reason, The Gospel was also preached to the "dead", so they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV
This interpretation of the spirits in prison is just sheer ignorance.
 

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No doubt he was thinking of that. And perhaps one or two other texts with the same promise. That doesn't cancel other promises that such a life without death doesn't start until Jesus returns and either we are resurrected, or changed. Changed from mortal to immortal.
I agree with you. Jesus said, John 6:54 (WEB):

(54) He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.​
 

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You fellas would have a more balanced view of scripture if you took into account all scriptures pertaining to the topic...
“Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. ”
Luke 20:36 KJV

When does that resurrection take place? At the second coming... Not before.
Yep, you're right. I'm not one of those "fellas"!
 

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BRETHREN IN CHRIST JESUS:
Some folks, who can't really read English, try to interpret the "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3 as if those "spirits" mean demons. They only show how sickly their mind works.

And just like 'those' who cannot understand the Scriptures, God's Word often puts the heart of a matter on how to interpret it in a later Scripture, just like was done in 1 Peter 4 that proves... Jesus actually, literally, preached The Gospel to the "dead", and not to demons...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6
For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

And some men REFUSE to read Bible Scripture as it is actually written. They also REJECT further evidence like the 1 Peter 4 Scripture above that confirms the proper interpretation of Jesus going to the "spirits in prison" and preaching The Gospel to those "dead". And the Isaiah 42:7 prophecy is of course way... over their head too, which is about Jesus leading those spirits in prison that believed The Gospel, out of that pit prison house.

What is one of the BRICK WALLS before those who cannot understand those 1 Peter 3 & 4 Scriptures? With that idea of those "spirits in prison" being demons instead, that comes from a false JEWISH tradition that when we die, we are strictly 'dead in the ground', our soul even being dead with our flesh! They get that idea from Scripture like Genesis 2:7 about God taking dust of the earth to create Adam, and breathing the breath of life into Adam, and Adam became a "living soul". They wrongly interpret that to mean the 'soul' part is part of our flesh, so when flesh dies, our soul dies, and both together must be resurrected by God.

However, thank You Lord Jesus, because in Matthew 10:28, Jesus commanded His servants to NOT fear those who can kill the body (flesh), but NOT the soul, but to fear Him Who can destroy both body and soul at the future "lake of fire". He showed by that the soul continues... to live after death of the flesh! just the opposite of what a lot of deceived Jews believe about the soul.

And those deceived Jews simply passed their 'spirits always equal demons' theory on to deceived Christian preachers who push the same 'dead in the ground' lies. Just think, they claim your granny is out in the backyard still in the ground, waiting on the future resurrection!
 

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Most people argue about where that darn comma in the verse is supposed to be! Let's forget about the comma.

If it was Jesus's intention to communicate that the thief would be in his kingdom eventually in the future, he likely would have said "You will be with me in paradise", which of course, doesn't designate when.

However, Jesus used "TODAY" because that is exactly what he meant. Jesus told him "You'll be with me in paradise TODAY"!
Are there clocks and calendars in Heaven that people actually use?
What day and time is it in Heaven?

Asking for a friend....
 
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Are there clocks and calendars in Heaven that people actually use?

Asking for a friend....

Jesus was referring to earthly time with that "today", not to any idea of a Heavenly time, which your idea isn't even suggested anywhere in that Scripture. Jesus and the malefactor that believed who was crucified with Him were not dead yet when Jesus said the following...

Luke 23:43
43 And Jesus said to him, "Verily I say to thee, This day shalt thou be with Me in paradise."
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And some men REFUSE to read Bible Scripture as it is actually written.
Methinks you need to take your own counsel.
the proper interpretation of Jesus going to the "spirits in prison" and preaching The Gospel to those "dead".
The proper interpretation is that the Lord did indeed preach to those sinners who are now dead, but He did so when they were alive and had the ability to hear with their ears and repent. And the Lord accomplished that through His prophet, Noah, a "preacher of righteousness" , but we all know how many listened.

“18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. ”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV
 
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Methinks you need to take your own counsel.

The proper interpretation is that the Lord did indeed preach to those sinners who are now dead, but He did so when they were alive and had the ability to hear with their ears and repent. And the Lord accomplished that through His prophet, Noah, a "preacher of righteousness" , but we all know how many listened.

“18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. ”
1 Peter 3:18-20 KJV

You should take YOUR OWN advice that you give against what I covered, which what I covered is what is written, and not just my opinion, because you FORGOT to address the following Scripture that follows that subject into the 1 Peter 4 chapter...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For,
for this cause was the gospel preached also
to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That of course means, The Gospel was preached to those "dead", NOT those who were yet still alive!

I'd also like to know how you get that Jesus preached The Gospel to those dead of The Old Testament back to Noah's flood, when Lord Jesus wasn't even BORN IN THE FLESH YET BACK THEN, NOR HAD DIED ON THE CROSS YET?

Your reasoning is simple. You are NOT keeping The Scriptures as written, but instead are following an agenda of men that goes against those Scriptures.
 
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You should take YOUR OWN advice that you give against what I covered, which what I covered is what is written, and not just my opinion, because you FORGOT to address the following Scripture that follows that subject into the 1 Peter 4 chapter...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For,
for this cause was the gospel preached also
to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That of course means, The Gospel was preached to those "dead", NOT those who were yet still alive!

I'd also like to know how you get that Jesus preached The Gospel to those dead of The Old Testament back to Noah's flood, when Lord Jesus wasn't even BORN IN THE FLESH YET BACK THEN, NOR HAD DIED ON THE CROSS YET?

Your reasoning is simple. You are NOT keeping The Scriptures as written, but instead are following an agenda of men that goes against those Scriptures.
Understanding 1 Peter 3:19 (Pertinent scriptures below)

Who are the "spirits in prison", in 1 Peter 3:19, and the "dead" in 1 Peter 4:6?

First, you must understand the word "spirits" (pneumasin in the Greek) in 1 Peter 3:19 and the use of this word as opposed to 'soul' (psyches in the Greek) which words some erroneously use interchangeably, but they are not interchangeable, which distorts or skews their understanding leading to their misunderstanding of this and related passages.

The spirit is NOT the soul ('psyches', singular, or 'psycheas', plural,) nor vice-versa since they can be divided (Hebrews 4:12). So if it's not the soul in 1 Peter 3:19, or relating to the dead, physical, body whose spirit has returned to God and body back to the earth from whence they came, what does this word mean, and who or what does it represent?

Some also say, as aforementioned, that the two words, spirit and soul, are used interchangeably in NT scriptures, but Peter, the writer of this, as well as 2 Peter, used BOTH words, and not one exclusively. See below, Peter 1 and Peter 2 scriptures. It's clear that the two words are NOT interchangeable and have different meanings which one can find by consulting the Greek dictionary.

Now then, after clarifying that 'spirit' and 'soul' are not the same thing, and looking again at 1 Peter 3:19, who or what are the "spirits in prison" since they cannot be the souls of dead humans, and what then is meant by this passage? That takes us to 2 Peter 2 starting at verse 4: there you'll see that the angels (spiritual beings who weren't nor are dead) were cast into hell, prison if you will, for their disobedience, bound in chains and reserved therein until the day of judgment, also noted in Jude 1:6. These misguided angels are the "spirits in prison".

Now concerning the "dead" in 1 Peter 4:6. Who are they if not dead souls in hell?

To understand this, you must understand the total context in which it's used in 1 Peter 4:3-6 and it's origin which can be found in Luke 9:60 and/or the corresponding parallel passage of Matthew 8:22. The dead referred to are the living dead; those spiritually dead that are ungodly, nonbelievers, worldly, etc. Notice what the Lord tells this individual: to "let the dead bury their dead". So within that context of "dead", when you again look at 1 Peter 4:3-6, it's clear that the reference (dead) is to the Gentiles. The "Gentiles" in 1 Peter 4:3, is the "they" and "them" in 1 Peter 4:4 and likewise in verse 6. So yes, the gospel was in fact preached to the "dead" also, namely the Gentiles, so they too could/can be judged likewise or equally and on the same basis as others in the flesh, but are alive in the spirit, meaning, yet living through the power and breath of God who has quickened all with the same breath of life. And finally, why would anyone think that it could possibly make sense to preach to dead souls in hell, most of which are there because they squandered their opportunity while being alive to believe and obey the gospel of Christ, the saving grace and power which is found in the "good news". It's too late for them as scripture clearly infers or in most cases, blatantly states such as in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. There are no second chances to be saved after death.

1 Peter 3:18-21

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

1 Peter 2:11

11Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

1 Peter 1:22

22Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 Peter 4:3-6

3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. 6For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

2 Peter 2:4-14

4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;7And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 8(For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

Ephesians 4:8-10

8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Luke 9:59-60

59And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. 60Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
 

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You should take YOUR OWN advice that you give against what I covered, which what I covered is what is written, and not just my opinion, because you FORGOT to address the following Scripture that follows that subject into the 1 Peter 4 chapter...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For,
for this cause was the gospel preached also
to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

That of course means, The Gospel was preached to those "dead", NOT those who were yet still alive!

I'd also like to know how you get that Jesus preached The Gospel to those dead of The Old Testament back to Noah's flood, when Lord Jesus wasn't even BORN IN THE FLESH YET BACK THEN, NOR HAD DIED ON THE CROSS YET?

Your reasoning is simple. You are NOT keeping The Scriptures as written, but instead are following an agenda of men that goes against those Scriptures.
I guess The Gospel is everlasting or eternal....well, at least according to Revelation 14:6.
I think that means no one is disadvantaged. God's Spirit strives with all men throughout all time. He brings them an awareness within their own context.....so that none have an excuse. Romans 1:20

We are all dead in a certain sense.. in the same sense that Jesus said, let the dead bury their own dead. Matthew 8:22

Ephesians 2:1-6

As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath. But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved. 6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

According to Ephesians above, you can be dead while you are alive!
 

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I'd also like to know how you get that Jesus preached The Gospel to those dead of The Old Testament back to Noah's flood, when Lord Jesus wasn't even BORN IN THE FLESH YET BACK THEN, NOR HAD DIED ON THE CROSS YET?
“10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. ”
1 Peter 1:10-11 KJV
The prophets spoke a as inspired by the Spirit of Christ, Noah was a prophet.
 

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However, there is another option we may consider in understanding that difficult to passage from Peter regarding Noah's time and the spirits in prison.

The death and resurrection of Jesus. After discussing the sufferings that early Christians were facing (1 Peter 3:13–17), the disciple turns to the sufferings that Jesus had Himself endured, focusing on His death and resurrection. Peter uses the expression thanatōtheis men sarki, zōopoiētheis de pneumati, literally, “put to death in/by flesh, made alive in/by spirit.”
The expression sarki (“flesh”) probably indicates the physical nature that Jesus assumed in the incarnation. The term is in contrast to pneumati (“spirit”), a contrast seeming to suggest that pneumati refers to the glorified resurrection body of Jesus. Jesus died in His human, mortal nature and was raised as a glorified being.
The proclamation of Jesus. Peter continues: “by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison” (v. 19). The Greek en ō, translated by the NKJV as “by whom,” can better be rendered “in which” and thus indicate Jesus’ glorified resurrection state. After His resurrection, in His glorified existence, Jesus went to the spirits in prison.
The preposition en (“in”) in the phrase en phylakē (“in prison”) is a preposition with a locative sense and refers to a specific place where the spirits were imprisoned. Commentators sometimes interpret the noun phylakē, “prison,” allegorically to refer, for example, to the spiritual imprisonment and slavery to sin. However, the specific noun in the 47 times it appears in the New Testament (NT) always has a literal meaning and refers either to an actual prison or the individual guarding it. We should also note that the NT never applies the term pneuma (“spirit”) to human sinners. Of the 32 times the plural appears in the NT, 24 refer to angels, mostly the fallen ones.
Considering these facts, we find it more plausible to see the “spirits in prison” as fallen angels imprisoned by God on this earth. Of them Jude declares: “Angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day” (Jude 6). The expressions “reserved . . . under darkness” and “everlasting chains” suggest that such evil spirits are indeed imprisoned. Not a specific location on earth, but the earth itself.
But how were fallen angels disobedient in the time of Noah, as 1 Peter 3:20 declares? The Greek apeitheō (“to disobey”) may suggest that the fallen angels did not believe in the message of the Flood and did not expect that God would actually manifest His justice by destroying the wicked antediluvians. And, when it did occur, that they questioned divine justice itself.
If our suggested interpretation is correct, in what sense did Jesus “preach” to fallen angels? The use of the verb kēryssō is important. Though usually translated “to preach” and thought to convey the idea of the proclamation of the gospel, it literally means “to announce something, to proclaim news,” whether good or bad. The English Standard Version is, therefore, more accurate in rendering kēryssō as “proclaim” in 1 Peter 3:19. So Jesus did not visit fallen angels to preach the gospel to them but to announce to them both His victory and their defeat and impending doom.
In this respect, it is interesting to note a parallel between verses 19 and 22, highlighted by the double use of the word poreutheis (“He went”). First, in 1 Peter 3:19 Jesus “went” to the spirits in prison, then in verse 22 he “went” to heaven to be enthroned at the right hand of the Father. In both instances references to the Resurrection precede poreutheis. In verse 19 zōopoiētheis (“made alive”) appears before poreutheis, while in verse 22 it is preceded by di’ anastaseōs Iēsou Christou (“the resurrection of Jesus Christ”).
So after the resurrection, Jesus did two things. First He went to the spirits in prison to announce His victory that spelled their doom and then ascended to heaven to sit at the right side of the Father. A relationship exists between the two events. It is Jesus’ defeat of Satan and his fallen angels that exalts Him to His position of authority as Conqueror: “[Jesus] has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (v. 22,emphasis ours). Cognates of the phrase “angels and authorities and powers” appear elsewhere in the NT to denote fallen angels (e.g. Eph. 1:21; 6:12; Col. 1:16). With the enemy defeated, Jesus can now declare to His disciples just before His ascension: “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth” (Matt. 28:18).
Jesus announcing His victory to the fallen angels also helps explain Revelation 12:12: “Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” The devil knows he has only a brief time left because Jesus has already declared his defeat and doom to him.
Conclusion
First Peter 3:18–22 is an encouragement to believers suffering because of their faith in Jesus. Peter assures his readers that though Jesus suffered and died, He rose from the dead, pro-claimed His triumph to Satan and his fallen angels, ascended to heaven, and was enthroned at the right hand of the Father, a Victor. Through His victory, Jesus can also save those who trust in Him and help His followers, you and I, in our own trials. The suffering and death of Jesus for sin and His victory over the powers of evil is a strong invitation not only to die to sin but, even in the midst of great trials, to live life according to God’s will (1 Peter 4:1–3).
The above quoted from Ministry Magazine.
 
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Understanding 1 Peter 3:19 (Pertinent scriptures below)

Who are the "spirits in prison", in 1 Peter 3:19, and the "dead" in 1 Peter 4:6?

First, you must understand the word "spirits" (pneumasin in the Greek) in 1 Peter 3:19 and the use of this word as opposed to 'soul' (psyches in the Greek) which words some erroneously use interchangeably, but they are not interchangeable, which distorts or skews their understanding leading to their misunderstanding of this and related passages.

The spirit is NOT the soul ('psyches', singular, or 'psycheas', plural,) nor vice-versa since they can be divided (Hebrews 4:12). So if it's not the soul in 1 Peter 3:19, or relating to the dead, physical, body whose spirit has returned to God and body back to the earth from whence they came, what does this word mean, and who or what does it represent?

Really? You think to lecture me on how God made us per the Hebrews 4:12 Scripture? And do you really think... you can change the meaning of what Apostle Peter said in those 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4 Scriptures about Jesus preaching The Gospel to the "dead"?

Let me LECTURE YOU on the proper interpretation of The New Testament meaning of "spirit". First, look at the Greek word for "spirit" in the following 2 verses...

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV


"spirit" above = NT:4151 'pneuma'

1 Peter 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the
spirits in prison;
KJV


"spirits" above = NT:4151 'pneuma' SAME WORD!


BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
I see that kind of thing DJT_47 tried to do all the time. They start out with their 'I know more than you' attitude about The Scriptures with claiming 'you first must know what the word ___ means'. Reminds me of Bill Clinton when being interrogated on some of his sexual escapades, and he said something like, "It depends on the what the word 'is' means".

Don't fall into those silly traps by those who seek to twist the simplicity of God's written Word.

Apostle Peter was revealing how at Lord Jesus' resurrection, He went and PREACHED THE GOSPEL to the DEAD souls of those who had died all the way back to the flood of Noah's day.

It does not say anything... about Christ's preaching The Gospel to those when they were alive, SIMPLY because for that to happen, Jesus would have had to have been born in the flesh BACK IN NOAH'S DAY! So just by that simple logic WE KNOW Peter was talking about Jesus at His resurrection preached to DEAD SPIRITS in that other dimension of Spirit!

And that Greek word for "spirits" CAN AND DOES ALSO APPLY to anyone born in the flesh that has died!
 
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“10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. ”
1 Peter 1:10-11 KJV
The prophets spoke a as inspired by the Spirit of Christ, Noah was a prophet.

And that has WHAT to do with the price of books in Europe?

The discussion is about the simplicity of the 1 Peter 3 and 1 Peter 4 Scriptures I quoted that show Lord Jesus, at His resurrection, went and preached The Gospel to the "dead" spirits who had died BACK TO THE DAYS OF NOAH.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV


But what kind of reply do I get on that? That Jesus didn't... preach to the "dead", but to those who were ALIVE! Yeah, like Jesus was back in Noah's day preaching The Gospel THAT HAD NOT EVEN HAPPENED YET!

Amazing, one can find all sorts of craziness on Bible Forums.