Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[The Light]

Yeah, and I ALREADY TOLD YOU that I know the tribulation is over at that 6th Seal, because that 6th Seal (2nd part of it only) is the time of God's 7th Vial cup of wrath poured out into the "air" (Rev.16).

Oh just the 2nd part of the 6th seal is the 7th vial. I see. So we don't even need the 7th seal to open for the 7th vial to happen.

I guess we pay no attention to those 6 trumpets and 6 vials that are unleashed on the earth as God wrath.

Are those trumpets and vials a mirage? Seems like a lot of things happening. Do we pretend they are not there?

Or are they spiritualized? What do you do with them?

 

[tailgator]

No, Revelation 6 is not Revelation 19

Revelation 6 is the coming of Jesus for a harvest. He sends His angels to gather the elect heaven and earth. He comes immediately after the great tribulation which is when Christians are being killed for their faith and to be more accurate, they are of the twelve tribes across the earth. The 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. This is why those that come out of great tribulation and got victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses.

THEN the wrath of God begins. Revelation 19 occurs at the end of the wrath of God. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. Both the trumpets and vials of Gods wrath occur in the 7th seal.


The great tribulation is when Christians are hunted down and killed. The wrath of God is when God pours out His wrath on an unbelieving world.

The Church is in heaven before the great tribulation. God turns His attention to the Jews. That is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the 12 tribes. That is why those that get victory over the beast with the blood of the Lamb are singing the song of Moses.

And there is not a 7 year tribulation. There is a 7 year period from the time a covenant with many is made.


The wrath of Lamb and the wrath of God are the same thing. Is Jesus God? Of course. Does Jesus lead the armies of heaven during the wrath of God. Nuff said.


You stopped. Why leave out the verse that tells us what is happening.
Matthew 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is a harvest.........a rapture. This is not Armageddon. Right after this harvest we see a great multitude in heaven.

Revelation 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Where do you think this great multitude comes from? It comes from the harvest at the 6th. All remain in heaven for the marriage supper. They are in heaven for one year while the trumpets and vials of God wrath happens. After this Revelation 19 white happens.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Then the wrath of God begins. Tribulation is not wrath.


I'm missing your point.

So you preach that christians die when they are being resurected from the dead.
Interesting new message you preach but it's not the truth.


According to Daniel,whom Jesus quoted concerning the great tribulation.The christians are delivered at the time of great tribulation They also awake from the dead.

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame





Why is it that the word of God says them whos names are written(christians) are delivered at the time of great tribulation,but you preach they are killed at that time?

 

[The Light]

And for the one thousandth time brethren, Jesus showed in the following that His coming to gather the Church will be AFTER... that tribulation He was describing there...

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yes there is a rapture immediately after the tribulation. It is the gathering from heaven and earth.

The Church is gathered from heaven where we are when the Lord Himself comes for His bride at the trump of God.....before the tribulation.

Immediately after the tribulation He comes for the regrafted 12 tribes across the earth. Most are killed in the tribulation, but some are raptured alive as the days of tribulation are cut short.

This occurs at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. You know, the 7 trumpets and 7 vials. The believers are raptured as believer are not appointed to wrath.

KJV

So I don't know why... those here who follow man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory would try... to use the above Matthew 25 Scripture, when it is completely AGAINST the doctrine of a pre-trib rapture gathering of the Church.

Furthermore, the above Matthew 24:29-31 version is about Jesus gathering His 'asleep' saints from Heaven, and brings those with Him when He comes. Apostle Paul showed that in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16, and the fact that those 'asleep' saints must be resurrected first before Jesus will bring them when He descends from Heaven.

In the Mark 13:24-27 version of that above Matt.24 event, Jesus showed His gathering of the alive saints still on earth when He comes, which is the "caught up" event of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 which Apostle Paul was talking about.

The rapture of the Church is when the Lord Himself comes for His bride. It will occur at the trump of God which is the voice of God when it's like the days of Noah.

The second harvest will occur at the 6th seal, when the Lord will send His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. This will occur at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets when it is like the days of Lot.

Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

 

[The Light]

So you preach that christians die when they are being resurected from the dead.
Interesting new message you preach but it's not the truth.


According to Daniel,whom Jesus quoted concerning the great tribulation.The christians are delivered at the time of great tribulation They also awake from the dead.

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame





Why is it that the word of God says them whos names are written(christians) are delivered at the time of great tribulation,but you preach they are killed at that time?

I wonder why it says MANY of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame

Why many and not all?

He's talking about the people of Daniel, as it is the people of Daniel that go through the tribulation...............and believers are not appointed to wrath.

Why is it that the Word of God says we are not appointed to wrath? How is it that you have believers going through the wrath of God.?

1 Thes 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[tailgator]

I wonder why it says MANY of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame

Why many and not all?

He's talking about the people of Daniel, as it is the people of Daniel that go through the tribulation...............and believers are not appointed to wrath.

Why is it that the Word of God says we are not appointed to wrath? How is it that you have believers going through the wrath of God.?

1 Thes 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

To answer your question,
Daniel is writing about his people who are resurected in the first resurection.

ALL are not resurected at that time.

Revelation 20​

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

You are preaching that them who are resurected in the first resurection are killed at the time they are resurected.They are killed 3.5 years prior to the great tribulation in Daniel 12:1.They are resurected at the time of great tribulation as Daniel wrote.

 

[tailgator]

I wonder why it says MANY of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame

Why many and not all?

He's talking about the people of Daniel, as it is the people of Daniel that go through the tribulation...............and believers are not appointed to wrath.

Why is it that the Word of God says we are not appointed to wrath? How is it that you have believers going through the wrath of God.?

1 Thes 5
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

PS

The people being delivered and in Daniel 12:1 are not appointed to wrath.Thats why they are being delivered(saved).They are not being destroyed.

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

 

[The Light]

That above is just IGNORANT.

The 6th Seal timing and the 7th Vial timing, and the 7th Trumpet timing ARE ALL THE SAME TIMING

There isn't a chance in China that these are all the same timing.

I do agree that the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial happen in the same timing......they are both at the end of the 7th seal.

However, these events cannot occur until the 7th seal is opened. The timing of the 7th seal is after the 6th seal. Therefore, it is impossible for all three events to occur in the same timing.

Immediately after the tribulation the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. That is the timing of the 6th seal. The tribulation is over. Now it's Gods turn. His wrath will begin after the 7th seal is opened and the 7th trumpet and 7th vial occur at the end of the 7th seal.

, i.e., the day of Christ's future coming to gather His Church and end the trib and beast working. And it is EASY to know this because of how SIMPLY it is written in God's Word.

Yeah, if you simply skip the 6 trumpets and 6 vials and jump right to the 7th trumpet and 7th vial, it's simple. Just ignore most of the wrath of God.

Revelation 6:14-17,
6th Seal - time of the FINAL 7TH VIAL when God's Wrath is poured out.

Revelation 16:17,
7th Vial - time of the FINAL 7TH VIAL when God's cup of Wrath is poured out.

Revelation 11:15,
7th Trumpet - time when all the kingdoms of this world become those of The Father and His Son.

No. 6th seal - Tribulation is over, Jesus returns and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Believers go to heaven and are the great multitude at the marriage supper. Remain in heaven until Revelation 19 returning with the armies of heaven

7th seal - The wrath of God containing the 7 trumpets and 7 vials.

Like I've said before, you don't have a clue.

No. I believe I said that about you. I can find the post number if you would like.

Instead you just follow men's theories about how the flow of events are in Christ's Book of Revelation.

What men am I following that understand there are two raptures?

The 7 SIGNS of the END is what Jesus covered in His Olivet discourse. Those 7 SIGNS are the SEALS of Revelation 6, and the 7 Trumpets, and the 7 Vials.

Here's your problem. The Olivet Discourse only covers the first 6 seals. That is the end of the age when Jesus returns for a harvest. NOTHING Jesus discusses has anything to do with 7th seal wrath of God. Where are the 7 trumpets discussed? And the 7 vials?

Again, Jesus only discusses the first 6 seals, which ends with the end of the tribulation.

The 7th Seal is a SELAH parenthetical expression. That is why there is a SELAH, period of silence attached to it. And per the SELAH in the Pslams, which means a PAUSE, that means to PONDER what had just been covered! Well, what was just covered with those last Revelation 6:14-17 events on the 6th SEAL? The END of this world with Jesus' coming and God's cup of wrath poured out on the LAST DAY.

The end of the age occurs at the 6th seal when Jesus comes for the gathering from heaven and earth. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

6th SEAL EVENT:
Rev 6:14
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
KJV

What event is the above related to? The LAST DAY of this present world. As the following verses are of the SAME timing also...

Isa 34:4
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
KJV

2 Peter 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

6th seal event: Tribulation is over, Jesus returns for the gathering from heaven and earth. It's the end of the age. Heavens rolled together like a scroll. Kings and great men hide in caves because wrath is come. The seventh seal is opening which contains the wrath of God.

KJV

7th VIAL EVENT:
Rev 16:20
20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
KJV

That above reveals the ORDER of events written in Revelation are NOT always in sequential order. Even with the 1st Seal about the false rider on a white horse of Rev.6 is not the first event of the end that will happen.

Thus is it MORE important to FOCUS on the EVENTS given in the Revelation Scripture, and not so much on the NUMBERS. Jesus comes on 7-7-7 (7th Seal, 7th Trumpet, 7th Vial, all SAME timing). Satan comes as the false-Messiah on 666.

Impossible. The 7th trumpet and 7th vial cannot occur until the 7th seal is opened. The seventh seal will not be opened until after the 6th seal. Your belief is illogical and unscriptural. Whoever is teaching you this stuff needs a beginner's course in math.

 

[The Light]

No, you did NOT show any such thing from the Revelation 14 Scripture.

It's there, plain as day. In Revelation 14 the righteous are gathered first.

That Revelation 14:1-5 view is a FUTURE-FORWARD VIEW for AFTER... Jesus has returned and is reigning with His saints in the world to come. It is DIRECTLY LINKED to the timing given in Revelation 15:2-4 with those who sing the Song of Moses, which is a FUTURE-FORWARD MILLENNIUM VIEW...

That doesn't work. The coming of Jesus in Revelation 14 is another view of the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. THEN WRATH BEGINS.

Revelation 14
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Wrath is the 7th seal.

Rev 15:2-4
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
KJV

You still have not learned how to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the Scriptures according to their TIMELINE SUBJECTS. It shows you DO NOT KNOW YOUR OLD TESTAMENT HISTORIES also.

And they sing the song of Moses. Those raptured from the earth that get victory over the beast are singing the song of Moses.

They are from the 12 tribes. That's why there are 144,000 first fruits. They are the first fruits of the harvest that occurs at the end of the age which is the 6th seal. THEN THE 7TH SEAL IS OPEN AND WRATH BEGINS.

 

[The Light]

To answer your question,
Daniel is writing about his people who are resurected in the first resurection.

ALL are not resurected at that time.

Revelation 20​

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.​

You are preaching that them who are resurected in the first resurection are killed at the time they are resurected.They are killed 3.5 years prior to the great tribulation in Daniel 12:1.They are resurected at the time of great tribulation as Daniel wrote.

They are the people of Daniel.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous. What are you going to do with the unrighteous?

Daniel 12
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[The Light]

PS

The people being delivered and in Daniel 12:1 are not appointed to wrath.Thats why they are being delivered(saved).They are not being destroyed.

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

This is what is happening in Daniel 12.

1 Cor 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Which is also this event which is the gathering from heaven and earth immediately after the tribulation which occurs at the 6th seal.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

 

[tailgator]

They are the people of Daniel.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous. What are you going to do with the unrighteous?

Daniel 12
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The first resurection is of 144000 Israelites who follow the lamb of God .They are killed in Daniel 11:33-34.Then they are resurected in Daniel 12:2.

They die for giving instruction as Daniel wrote..They do not worship the beast,it's image nor receive it's mark.
They are the first fruits to God and to the lamb



Them of everlasting contempt are false prophets who support the beast.They enjoy drinking with the drunken and smiting their fellow servants.

 

[tailgator]

This is what is happening in Daniel 12.

1 Cor 15
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Which is also this event which is the gathering from heaven and earth immediately after the tribulation which occurs at the 6th seal.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

The wrath of God is in the 6th seal and I quote.

Revelation 6

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?






The reason these people fled to the mountains to hide under the mountains is because that is the time of great tribulation.You don't go into bomb shelters because it's a nice day outside.You go because the stars of heaven falling to the earth and because the heavens are departing like a scroll being rolled together.That is the reason Israelis built the bomb shelters in the first place.






The great tribulation and the cause of it as spoken by Jesus

Mathew 24​

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)​

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16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:​

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17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:​

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18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.​

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19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!​

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20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:​

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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.​

The great tribulation is not a few Israelites Christians being killed.The great tribulation is caused by the United states armed forces placing the abomination that causes desolation in Jerusalem.That is what causes the great earthquake and the heavens depart as a scroll being rolled together in revelation 6.That is why them in Judea flee to the mountains in haste to hide in their bomb shelters they call doomsday dens.

The after effects of these nukes being placed in Jerusalem as well as the other cities in the middle east is also in revelation.The waters being poisoned and so forth.


The people in Jerusalem who overthrow the Jews in the Olivet discourse are instantly consumed at the time.They are the lucky ones.

Zech14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

 

[Douggg]

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Read verse 30 as two parts.
30a And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (the sixth seal event)

30b and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (and then 45 days later, Jesus descends down to earth)


During that 45 days the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army. See? In Revelation 19:19 it says what the kings of the earth were doing.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


Here is where the 45 days come from...

 

[The Light]

The first resurection is of 144000 Israelites who follow the lamb of God .They are killed in Daniel 11:33-34.Then they are resurected in Daniel 12:2.

They die for giving instruction as Daniel wrote..They do not worship the beast,it's image nor receive it's mark.
They are the first fruits to God and to the lamb



Them of everlasting contempt are false prophets who support the beast.They enjoy drinking with the drunken and smiting their fellow servants.

Its apparent that you do not understand what the 1st resurrection is. Nor do you understand what first fruits are.

 

[The Light]

The wrath of God is in the 6th seal and I quote.

Revelation 6

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

The great day of His wrath is come. Do you know what the Day of the Lord is. You will find it in the 7th seal........not in the 6th seal.

The reason these people fled to the mountains to hide under the mountains is because that is the time of great tribulation.You don't go into bomb shelters because it's a nice day outside.You go because the stars of heaven falling to the earth and because the heavens are departing like a scroll being rolled together.That is the reason Israelis built the bomb shelters in the first place.

They are hiding because of fear of Him that sits on the throne.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

This is what they see at the 6th seal in addition to the sun, moon and stars event.

Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The great tribulation and the cause of it as spoken by Jesus

Mathew 24​

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)​

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16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:​

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17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:​

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18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.​

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19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!​

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20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:​

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21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.​

The great tribulation is not a few Israelites Christians being killed.The great tribulation is caused by the United states armed forces placing the abomination that causes desolation in Jerusalem.That is what causes the great earthquake and the heavens depart as a scroll being rolled together in revelation 6.That is why them in Judea flee to the mountains in haste to hide in their bomb shelters they call doomsday dens.

The great tribulation is believers being hunted down across the world. That is great tribulation.

The wrath of God is God punishing unbelievers.

Tribulation and wrath is not the same event. Tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is the 7th seal...........you know, the trumpets and vials of wrath. That's God doing that.

The after effects of these nukes being placed in Jerusalem as well as the other cities in the middle east is also in revelation.The waters being poisoned and so forth.


The people in Jerusalem who overthrow the Jews in the Olivet discourse are instantly consumed at the time.They are the lucky ones.

Zech14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Jerusalem is not Babylon.

 

[The Light]

Read verse 30 as two parts.
30a And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: (the sixth seal event)

30b and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (and then 45 days later, Jesus descends down to earth)

Read immediately after the tribulation as one part. Tribulation is over. Tribulation is Christians being hunted and killed for their faith.

During that 45 days the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus and His army. See? In Revelation 19:19 it says what the kings of the earth were doing.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.


Here is where the 45 days come from...

The wrath of God lasts one year so your 45 days is a mute point. Additionally, as always, there are 5 months of stinging in Revelation 9 that are part of God wrath. Why do you ignore these FACTS.

Rev 9
10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

 

[tailgator]

Its apparent that you do not understand what the 1st resurrection is. Nor do you understand what first fruits are.

Sure I do.The first fruits of a harvest are gathered first.Aftet being gathered by the harvesters which are the angels,they are to be presented to the high priest (Christ)in Jerusalem.There is a celebration ,a feast and then rest.The regular harvest comes later.In this case after 1000 years.

 

[tailgator]

The great day of His wrath is come. Do you know what the Day of the Lord is. You will find it in the 7th seal........not in the 6th seal.


They are hiding because of fear of Him that sits on the throne.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

This is what they see at the 6th seal in addition to the sun, moon and stars event.

Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The great tribulation is believers being hunted down across the world. That is great tribulation.

The wrath of God is God punishing unbelievers.

Tribulation and wrath is not the same event. Tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is the 7th seal...........you know, the trumpets and vials of wrath. That's God doing that.


Jerusalem is not Babylon.

The great day of his wrath is come before the seventh is even opened.


It is right here listed under the events of he sixth seal.

Revelation 6​

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?​

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[tailgator]

The great day of His wrath is come. Do you know what the Day of the Lord is. You will find it in the 7th seal........not in the 6th seal.


They are hiding because of fear of Him that sits on the throne.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

This is what they see at the 6th seal in addition to the sun, moon and stars event.

Matthew 24
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The great tribulation is believers being hunted down across the world. That is great tribulation.

The wrath of God is God punishing unbelievers.

Tribulation and wrath is not the same event. Tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the wrath of God is the 7th seal...........you know, the trumpets and vials of wrath. That's God doing that.


Jerusalem is not Babylon.

And no,the great tribulation isn't christians being persecuted as they have for the last 2000 years

The great tribulation takes place after the United states armed forces place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem causing the earthquake and causing the heavens to depart as a scroll being rolled together in revelation 6.

 

[The Light]

Sure I do.The first fruits of a harvest are gathered first.Aftet being gathered by the harvesters which are the angels,they are to be presented to the high priest (Christ)in Jerusalem.There is a celebration ,a feast and then rest.The regular harvest comes later.In this case after 1000 years.

Well I guess you do know what first fruits are. But you said they are the first resurrection, and they are not.

Additionally, the 144,000 are first fruits of the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal.

Seen here.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

That harvest is also seen here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

The great day of his wrath is come before the seventh is even opened.


It is right here listed under the events of he sixth seal.

Revelation 6​

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?​

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They see Jesus sending His angels to gather the elect as Jesus remains in the clouds. After the gathering from heaven and earth those gathered go back to heaven for the marriage. Hence the great multitude in heaven in Revelation.

The kings of the earth and rich men etc try to hide because they realize that the great day of wrath is come. The seventh seal that contains the trumpets and vials of wrath.

What do you think those trumpets and vials of wrath are? Do you not realize they are the wrath of God?