The resurection at the time of great tribulation

[tailgator]

I've noticed a couple people on this site are preaching christians who's names are written will be killed at the time of great tribulation.

Beware.

Daniel wrote that them who names are written are delivered at the time of great tribulation and them who sleep in the dust of the earth awake.They are not killed at that time

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus says the resurrection is on the Last Day
And the resurrection happens when He returns to judge the world in wrath.
Our rapture is a deliverance from that terrible wicked time.
Don't get mixed up about the time it happens

1 Thess 5
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [a]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

AND DO NOT TEACH from the OT what is clearly explained in the NT,

If we are part of God's NC, then use that to teach others. The OC was made obsolete by God and vanished away.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

 

[tailgator]

Jesus says the resurrection is on the Last Day
And the resurrection happens when He returns to judge the world in wrath.
Our rapture is a deliverance from that terrible wicked time.
Don't get mixed up about the time it happens

1 Thess 5
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [a]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

AND DO NOT TEACH from the OT what is clearly explained in the NT,

If we are part of God's NC, then use that to teach others. The OC was made obsolete by God and vanished away.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

Jesus taught from the old testament and often quoted from the old testament.And like he did,so did the apostles after him and so do I.

The last day is the Sabbath day.
Holy people would know the Sabbath day is the last day.

Them who do not remember the Sabbath day would not know it nor will they keep it.They don't know when it is or expect it.


This is a group of people who remember to keep the Sabbath holy.


Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus says the resurrection is on the Last Day
And the resurrection happens when He returns to judge the world in wrath.
Our rapture is a deliverance from that terrible wicked time.
Don't get mixed up about the time it happens

1 Thess 5
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are [a]asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

AND DO NOT TEACH from the OT what is clearly explained in the NT,

If we are part of God's NC, then use that to teach others. The OC was made obsolete by God and vanished away.

John 11:24
Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

PS
You have some kind of nerve telling others not to teach the word of God.Daniel is a prophet of God sent to deliver this message.

The people being raised from the dead in this quote are christians .They take part in the new covenant which God said he would make with Israel.Many people being saved in this quote shall reign with Christ.




Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[Scott Downey]

PS
You have some kind of nerve telling others not to teach the word of God.Daniel is a prophet of God sent to deliver this message.

The people being raised from the dead in this quote are christians .They take part in the new covenant which God said he would make with Israel.Many people being saved in this quote shall reign with Christ.




Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

Because the way your using scripture is misleading others. We have a firmer word in the New Testament that describes exactly when it happens.

 

[tailgator]

Because the way your using scripture is misleading others. We have a firmer word in the New Testament that describes exactly when it happens.

There is nothing misleading about my posts.

I'm quoting the same verses Jesus quoted in the gospel when speaking of the abomination that causes desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.

You simply have no comprehension skills on the matter.


Them that sleep in the dust are raised at the time of great tribulation just as Daniel the prophet says.Daniel wrote the truth and you should except the truth .If you trust in a lie and teach a lie then that's on you

"there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[Scott Downey]

And some are saying to beware of people saying Christians whose names are written in the book of life being killed in the great tribulation by the beast.

Another bad teaching

What does it say about Christians during this time?

Rev 12

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus [c]Christ.

Rev 13

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

The Beast from the Earth​

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[tailgator]

And some are saying to beware of people saying Christians whose names are written in the book of life being killed in the great tribulation by the beast.

Another bad teaching

What does it say about Christians during this time?

Rev 12

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus [c]Christ.

Rev 13

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

The Beast from the Earth​

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Now you are misleading others into believing the 3.5 years prior to the great tribulation is the great tribulation.

The great tribulation as written by Daniel in Daniel 12:1 and quoted by Jesus in the gospel takes place after all the christians have been persecuted and killed the previous 3.5 years .
The christians in Israel are killed by the beast in Daniel 11:33-35


Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.




You should not be lecturing others out of your own ignorance of scripture .You obviously do not comprehend anything written by the prophets.

 

[Scott Downey]

Nope, 42 months the beast rules and kills believers, it is right there in Rev 13
After the 42 months is the LAST DAY when Christ returns

Revelation 13:5
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months......

7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[tailgator]

And some are saying to beware of people saying Christians whose names are written in the book of life being killed in the great tribulation by the beast.

Another bad teaching

What does it say about Christians during this time?

Rev 12

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus [c]Christ.

Rev 13

4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to [c]continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the [e]patience and the faith of the saints.

The Beast from the Earth​

11 Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon. 12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives [f]those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has [g]the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Take note that Daniel does not call this time of persecution great tribulation.

Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.



What Daniel and Jesus call great tribulation takes place after that persecution has ended . It takes place here In this verse.


Daniel 12:1

there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.






This great tribulation begins after the king of the north goes forth to destroy and Innihilate many in Daniel 11:44.He has 5500 nuclear weapons at his disposal.

 

[tailgator]

Nope, 42 months the beast rules and kills believers, it is right there in Rev 13
After the 42 months is the LAST DAY when Christ returns

Revelation 13:5
And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months......

7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every [d]tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

That must be the only book you read.

The same 3.5 year persecution of the christians in Israel by the beast is mentioned in many books in the bible.But you don't comprehend any of them .


Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

 

[Scott Downey]

Take note that Daniel does not call this time of persecution great tribulation.

Daniel 11:33-35
Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.
During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.
And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.



What Daniel and Jesus call great tribulation takes place after that persecution has ended It takes place here In this verse.


Daniel 12:1

there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book."​

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.






This great tribulation begins after the king of the north goes forth to destroy and Innihilate many in Daniel 11:44.He has 5500 nuclear weapons at his disposal.

More teaching from the OT, when clearly the NT has the superior revelation. And tells you more exactly what is going on at that time. Which you choose to ignore. Why is that? Because the NT revelation disagrees with your doctrine, so you are still attempting to mislead here.

 

[Scott Downey]

Go ahead and rip out the NT scriptures then since you don't like them, and you obviously don't believe them. That is what you are doing.
Why do you suppose God wrote the BOOKS of NT scriptures? Just for fantasy tales?

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus Christ is the more sure word of prophecy for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

And the OT scriptures spoke of Him, but we are NT people.

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

[tailgator]

More teaching from the OT, when clearly the NT has the superior revelation. And tells you more exactly what is going on at that time. Which you choose to ignore. Why is that? Because the NT revelation disagrees with your doctrine, so you are still attempting to mislead here.

From the old testament I read of the second US/Iraq war while it was taking place.
I read of the Beirut bombings
The first and second US/Iraq wars.
Israel's 6 day war.
Donald Trump moving the US embassy to Jerusalem
Israel's war with Hamas

And a few other things that will soon be taking place in the middle east.Now let's see you find those prophecies in the new testament.


Out of your own ignorance ,you reject everything God has told his prophets to preach and you tell others to ignore the prophets as well.Pathetic

 

[tailgator]

Go ahead and rip out the NT scriptures then since you don't like them, and you obviously don't believe them. That is what you are doing.
Why do you suppose God wrote the BOOKS of NT scriptures? Just for fantasy tales?

I comprehend the old testament and the new.
You are the ond telling others to reject God's word delivered by his prophets.

 

[Scott Downey]

I comprehend the old testament and the new.
You are the ond telling others to reject God's word delivered by his prophets.

The issue is not that, it is that refuse the NT scriptures that teach us about those times. And everyone can see that who reads what you post.

It is because if you believed what is written, then you would have to change your mind, and maybe you are too proud to admit your error.

 

[tailgator]

The issue is not that, it is that refuse the NT scriptures that teach us about those times. And everyone can see that who reads what you post.

It is because if you believed what is written, then you would have to change your mind, and maybe you are too proud to admit your error.

I don't reject anything in the bible.
The old testament corresponds to the new testament.
Both show that the resurection takes place at the time of great tribulation.

In fact,Jesus tells his followers they shall see the abomination that causes desolation in judea .The same AOD that causes great tribulation .The kind of tribulation Hiroshima could speak of.


Jesus quoted from the old testament prophets and so do I .

 

[tailgator]

Jesus taught the exact same things Daniel wrote about and the order in which they take place.​

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First,the persecution of christians in Israel by the beast as in Daniel 11:33-35

Luke 21
12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


Then Israel is attacked by the nations and overcome .Takes place in Daniel 11:40.

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.





Followed by great tribulation with perplexity as in Daniel 12:1

Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.




And that is when Christ comes and raises the dead in Daniel 12:2.



Luke 21
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.





The old testament prophets wrote of the same events found in the new testament.These same events are also seen in revelation .The key to knowledge is studying them all and running to and from through scripture.

Daniel 12:4​

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.​

People who reject the old testament prophets are simply rejecting knowledge.Its their own lose.

 

[Truth7t7]

Daniel 12:1-2
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

Daniel taught the resurrection takes place at the time of "Final Judgement" (The End)

"Every One That Is Written In The Book"