Yes but the majority of Ukraine people truly hate zelensky ! fact is that he would not win 10% of the vote. he has to deal !
The Germans tryed to kill Hitler for selling their people out like a total moron !
Zelenskyy wants nuclear bombs and NATO membership, remains defiant and says he does not owe an apology to the US and Trump
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The Germans tryed to kill Hitler for selling their people out like a total moron !
Triumph1300
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Dan Clarkston said:
Under their laws, there are no elections while the nation is under martial law.
It's the same in the US.... if we were attacked / invaded on our own soil and the nation was under martial law being at war.... elections would be suspended.
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Oh, so you were aware of that fact.
Why were you yepping about the Ukrainian president and bad mouthing him not calling an election on the other thread?????
Under their laws, there are no elections while the nation is under martial law.
It's the same in the US.... if we were attacked / invaded on our own soil and the nation was under martial law being at war.... elections would be suspended.
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Oh, so you were aware of that fact.
Why were you yepping about the Ukrainian president and bad mouthing him not calling an election on the other thread?????
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Triumph1300
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According to someone on this forum you need to put a valid link to that.
It should be required on a Christian Forum.
Not my opinion, but just saying.......
Can I guess who that might be?
The problem was the running the mouth slandering people as one thing or another (damaging things) while excusing yourselves from providing a link when asked. Whereas you take the stance that everyone should just take your word for it while another said, use a search engine to find their particular accusation. Problem was, that after looking for both accusations (and not finding either) these make the ones that state these things to be so appear as false accusers, which is just not a good look on professed christians.
That was the context.
Besides, the owner of Christian Forums (which used to own this forum) was the one that required links to articles in their Current event section, so members couldnt just blather all their mind as an (unsearchable) current event. Which was actually something I thought they got right (at least when starting a thread) so the context and source was planted first. Then we could all know the person was not making something up, we could see the source and examine them and the evidence presented and go from there.
Its so unreasonable I know.
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People who are from Ukraine have said it to me ! and they say they never wanted War ! and otheres who have said they have and their mates have had Ukraine people say the same thing too them.
Now I want to know who it is that supports the deaths and distruction of peoples lives and homes etc !
Like who is it that supports all of the Murder and Distruction and has no regards for all such from the begining !
This War shold never of took place ! and I am sick of all of the one sided lies that only promote the War !
Like who say's, How great is this War !
Awesome War bro ! Thanks to Joe Biden !
Thanks Biden for creating the War in Israel, Awesome War !
Now who calles out all of the cunning outright evil ! intent ! Joe Biden created and forced Russia to come into that War in fact and in regards Israel look at what the whore Media is dictating ! crying about the ones who totaly wanted the War on Israel and still do in fact ! not to mention that when one Nation wants to go to War with another ? What do they do ! but what type of attack was this in fact ! just truly a Terrorism act in fact ! And who rewards such an act ! the Whore MSM does in fact !
Nothing is good about what was done and is being done to the State of Israel ! and it's the Socialist who brought this all on in fact and feed it all !
Ronald Nolette
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I agree Europe needs to enlarge their armed forces. The US has the most soldiers, equipment and bases in NATO in Europe and we pay about 80% of the bill for NATO.
European and US relations are heating up.
Ukraine war latest: Russia claims gain in Donetsk; top Putin negotiator 'to visit Washington'
Vladimir Putin aide Kirill Dmitriev will meet US special envoy Steve Witkoff in Washington DC this week, according to reports. Elsewhere, Russia claimed to have advanced on the battlefield.news.sky.com
Zelenskyy 'interrogation' was 'horror' to watch, former Poland president tells Trump
Poland's former president has signed a letter to Donald Trump expressing his "horror and distaste" at his spat with Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the White House last week.
Ukraine's president was publicly dressed down by Trump and vice president JD Vance during a car-crash sit down in front of reporters last Friday.
Lech Walesa, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, said the atmosphere in the Oval Office reminded him of Poland’s communist secret services and regime courts.
"They deprived us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government and our gratitude," he said.
"We are shocked that Mr President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was treated in the same way."
Walesa signed the letter together with other former Polish political prisoners, the post on Facebook showed.
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Europe wants to re-arm itself independent of the US, UK has said unconditional support for Ukraine including UK troops to go to Ukraine
Von der Leyen to inform EU states about defence plans tomorrow
Ursula von der Leyen says she will inform EU member states about plans to strengthen the European defence industry and the EU's military capabilities tomorrow.
The European Commission president, who attended the summit on Ukraine in London yesterday, told reporters that Europe needs "a massive surge in defence, without any question".
"We want lasting peace, but lasting peace can only be built on strength, and strength begins with strengthening ourselves," she said.
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Europe peace plans are feeble as nothing will work without the US, nothing has changed for Zelenskyy. It is all talk.
'Nothing works unless Trump says yes'
Despite a busy weekend of diplomacy between Ukraine and its European allies, not much has really changed for Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
That's according to security and defence editor Deborah Haynes, who says Sir Keir Starmer and Europe's leaders "need to prove they're serious" with actions and not just words.
"Nothing's really changed, let's face it," says Haynes.
"We haven't heard from Donald Trump specifically about all of this European fanfare. Nothing really works unless Trump says yes.
"If Trump doesn't back what Starmer and Macron are proposing, then the European peace plan looks pretty feeble given the European military relies so heavily on America's far more powerful armed forces."
"With all this language, and given the severity of the situation and the Prime Minister and other leaders across Europe say they're going to get serious - they now need to show that they are with some action."
I have mixed feelings about our continued support for Ukraine.
1. I believe what Pres. Washington said about getting entangled in foreign affairs.
2. At the same time, I abhor a much larger nation just thinking it can overrun a smaller nation and do what it wishes.
3. Russia, After the Soviet breakup, signed international agreements recognizing the boundaries of Ukraine.
4. The US has sent more aid than all other nations combined so it is time for Europe to step up more.
From Russian POV there was the promise broken of Ukraine not becoming a NATO member
The Russian people will not stand for it !
Putin has been weak for years on Ukraine ? or just let it all slide in a way, being too diplomatic one may say.
But if Russia was under Communist Leadership, then the West would never of tryed any of all such cunning tricks at all in fact !
The West respected Communist Russia Totaly in fact and did nothing at all regarding Communist Killing people at it's will. Ukraine meant Nothing to the West back then in fact and not to mention Poland and all of the rest in fact and East Germany was left to the Communist bastards who killed anyone they wanted to in fact ! and the West did not say BOO !
So this issue with Ukraine and Russia is nothing to be bothered with truly ! it's just more about the Killing that we people should be standing up to about !
But this is truly all about Money in fact ! and ones lives are worth what ? $2 ! seriously. So could you or Are you going to become the next in line for the same ends ?
Like One should think about such things seriously !
Governments should be called out, to free and open debate on such subjects and stop the cloased Shop mongering bastards with a one sided view point only !
Triumph1300
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Ukraine is not a Nato member.
There was a promise broken that Nato would not expand memberships towards the Russian border.
That agreement was put in place when the wall came down and east Germany united with west Germany.
The west broke that promise and expanded east.
(Similar situation as the Cuban missile crisis in the 1960s)
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
Agreed!
Any time the US recently got involved in foreign conflicts it turns into a mess and when they leave they left a mess and brought home dead bodies.
It started like that in Korea, VietNam and continued on.
Ukraine now says 100% for signing the minerals deal with the US after Hungary axed $30 billion EU aid to Ukraine and other calmer heads prevailed.
Like Trump said, their country is in serious trouble, and The USA holds all the cards.
And maybe Ukraine figured out if the US is over there working the land to share mineral sales profits with Ukraine, that implies a certain level of security.
Ukraine is short on men and cash and would not have been able to gain 'rare earths' sales without the US working over there to mine it for them both. This deal actually makes good sense for Ukraine and the US, something Biden and Biden's people would have never entered their minds to pursue such a thing.
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said during a radio interview that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has done a complete “about face” on the U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal that was not signed after the heated meeting between the two delegations late last month.
“I’m really grateful and glad that Zelensky, in the last several days, has done an about face. He’s effectively apologized for all that. And he said, ‘Oh no, no, we would like that deal after all.’ I think he had a rude awakening,” Johnson said during his Saturday appearance on John Catsimatidis’s radio show “Cats Roundtable” on WABC 770 AM.
“I think a lot of the people in his country were upset with the way that was handled. Certainly we all were, but we’ve got to get him back to the table,” Johnson told Catsimatidis.
The minerals deal, which President Trump said would allow Washington to regain some of the assistance it had given to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion started three years ago while bolstering Kyiv’s economy, was slated to be signed by Zelensky during his Feb. 28 visit to the White House.
The agreement was not signed as Zelensky, Trump and Vice President Vance had several contentious exchanges over peace agreement negotiations. Zelensky argued that Russia’s President Vladimir Putin could not be a trustworthy negotiator during peace talks as he has gone back on previous ceasefires in Eastern Europe.
Trump and Vance contended that Zelensky was not grateful enough for the military assistance the U.S. has given to Ukraine and that Ukraine’s leader does not have very much leverage if negotiations ensue.
Like Trump said, their country is in serious trouble, and The USA holds all the cards.
And maybe Ukraine figured out if the US is over there working the land to share mineral sales profits with Ukraine, that implies a certain level of security.
Ukraine is short on men and cash and would not have been able to gain 'rare earths' sales without the US working over there to mine it for them both. This deal actually makes good sense for Ukraine and the US, something Biden and Biden's people would have never entered their minds to pursue such a thing.
House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said during a radio interview that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has done a complete “about face” on the U.S.-Ukraine minerals deal that was not signed after the heated meeting between the two delegations late last month.
“I’m really grateful and glad that Zelensky, in the last several days, has done an about face. He’s effectively apologized for all that. And he said, ‘Oh no, no, we would like that deal after all.’ I think he had a rude awakening,” Johnson said during his Saturday appearance on John Catsimatidis’s radio show “Cats Roundtable” on WABC 770 AM.
“I think a lot of the people in his country were upset with the way that was handled. Certainly we all were, but we’ve got to get him back to the table,” Johnson told Catsimatidis.
The minerals deal, which President Trump said would allow Washington to regain some of the assistance it had given to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion started three years ago while bolstering Kyiv’s economy, was slated to be signed by Zelensky during his Feb. 28 visit to the White House.
The agreement was not signed as Zelensky, Trump and Vice President Vance had several contentious exchanges over peace agreement negotiations. Zelensky argued that Russia’s President Vladimir Putin could not be a trustworthy negotiator during peace talks as he has gone back on previous ceasefires in Eastern Europe.
Trump and Vance contended that Zelensky was not grateful enough for the military assistance the U.S. has given to Ukraine and that Ukraine’s leader does not have very much leverage if negotiations ensue.
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Trump will not automatically send more money to Ukraine when the deal is signed. Want's to see how things work out. And the mining arrangement will bring in a lot of money to Ukraine without the US just giving it away. You know All EU aid has been a loan and expected to be paid back by Ukraine versus US aid which had no such terms.
Triumph1300
Well-Known Member
Will not work out very well because the resources are in the Russian occupied territory.
Wrangler
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I’m amazed devout Christians cannot discern the dark spiritual forces at work here indicative of Rev 6, release of the Red horse of the Apocolypse.
About 70% actually, leaving 30%
30% of $15 trillion is $4.5 trillion.
And people have known for years about these metals and done not much mining.
And it's somewhat of a guess as to what where and how much is actually there.
Ukraine's rare earths stockpile: fact check
After US President Donald Trump said Volodymyr Zelensky had broken his rare earth metals proposal, reports emerged in Western media suggesting that reserves of such resources currently controlled by Kiev are minimal.What is the real situation with its...
After US President Donald Trump said Volodymyr Zelensky had broken his rare earth metals proposal, reports emerged in Western media suggesting that reserves of such resources currently controlled by Kiev are minimal.
What is the real situation with its rare earth metals?
Ukraine possesses 2% of the world's LITHIUM reserves, the Ukrainian Center for Economic Strategy claims. However, its deposits are mainly in Russia’s Donbass region. One deposit is in the Kirovograd region.
Other rare earths deposits are in the Dnepropetrovsk, Zhytomir and Kharkov regions.
The total value of all deposits in Ukraine reached $15 trillion in 2023, according to Forbes estimates. But again, about 70% of them are now located in the Dnepropetrovsk region or Donbass under Russian control or close to the front line.
In 2022, about 33% of Ukrainian rare earth metals were under Russian control, Canadian SecDev research showed.
The European Commission described Ukraine as a potential source of more than 20 rare earths in 2023.
Less than 20% of resources previously controlled by Ukraine, including about half of the rare earth deposits, are now on Russia's side, Zelensky has told Western journalists.
He said it's essential to protect "a very rich" Dnepropetrovsk region and Central Ukraine because of mineral deposits there.
It's impossible to calculate the exact number of rare earth deposits and its volume. Ukraine classified this data in 2005, but all available estimates are approximate.
The vast majority of the deposits have not yet been fully explored. The only explored rare earths deposit was the Azov mine in Donbass, but now it is under Russian control, Stella Shekhunova, director of the Institute of Geology of the Academy of Sciences of Ukraine, told Ukrainian media.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
But they were only pursuing it and it never even came up in NATO for serious discussion.
Diplomacy still would have been far better on Russia's part than bombing the manure out of Ukraine and killing untold tens of thousands of civilians.
Ronald Nolette
Well-Known Member
Well since WW2 We have not fought a war where the military was told to fight until we win.
We have not fought one war since WW2 where we had a decisive victory!
The purpose of an army is to kill people and break things faster than your enemy can to bring them to surrender!
WW2 was total war footing, the other wars were fought over politics of communism vs capitalism, if you look at it in its simplest measure, part of that was the long cold war.
Will Trump accept Moscow's rare earth mineral deal? Putin offers resources from Russia and occupied Ukraine
Vladimir Putin said Russia has more resources than Ukraine, offering the Donald Trump administration supply of 2 million tonne aluminium and joint projects in Siberia
Democrats will howl at the moon if this ever happens
Wrangler
Well-Known Member
Serious enough in some circles. I guess it depends on what Russian President you ask.
The CIA should have thought about that before they replaced Pro-Russian Ukrainian President.
Norigua is still ruling the Caribbean? Saddam is STILL the leader of Iraq?
