Zelenskyy wants nuclear bombs and NATO membership, remains defiant and says he does not owe an apology to the US and Trump

[Scott Downey]

Zelenskyy: We need NATO or nukes … and we want NATO

Ukraine suffered uniquely from its 1994 decision to denuclearize, the country’s president said.

www.politico.eu

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/live-blog/trump-zelenskyy-russia-ukraine-white-house-live-updates-rcna193942

What's going on today​

• Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy remained defiant in the hours after the tense public confrontation with President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance in the Oval Office, saying he does not owe the president an apology.
• Zelenskyy abruptly exited the White House after the spat and a planned joint press conference for the afternoon was canceled. Trump accused Zelenskyy of "gambling with World War III" and Zelenskyy suggested that the U.S. is largely spared from the effects of the war because of the "nice ocean" separating the U.S. from Europe.
• The bilateral meeting was supposed to focus in part on a potential U.S.-Ukraine deal on the European country's rare earth minerals, which are used to make a variety of tech products.
• The Supreme Court has received briefings in the Trump administration's request to be allowed to withhold payments from contractors at the U.S. Agency for International Development. The justices could rule on the request at any time.
• Trump is expected to sign an executive order that would aim to make English the official language in the country. Currently the U.S. does not have an official language.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Zelenskyy abruptly exited the White House

He was told to leave. The whole incident is disturbing, to loose ones temper over not wearing a suit seems to imply that there are other issues.
Does Trump understand that trade is a two way deal, the seller should be happy to sell and the purchaser happy to buy.

China and Russia are both operating on a let's make us great, we come first Policy, is he going to follow them?

 

[Scott Downey]

Zelenskyy says Trump is a Russian prop for Putin's show, says Europe needs a new army called European armed forces to defend Europe against Russia

MSN

 

[Scott Downey]

See how Zelenskyy works his words, tells Europe US support for Europe is gone, can't be counted on, as in unreliable!

it is time to take US out of NATO..

Zelenskyy calls for 'armed forces of Europe' as US pulls back support

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Europe can no longer count on the US for support and it should create an "armed forces of Europe" to defend itself.

www.abc.net.au

Volodymyr Zelenskyy calls for 'armed forces of Europe' as US pulls back support​

In short:​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says Europe can no longer count on the US for support.

He told leaders gathered for the Munich Security Conference the continent should create an "armed forces of Europe" to defend itself.

Mr Trump's special envoy for Ukraine and Russia has all but ruled out that Europeans would be included in any Ukraine peace talks.

Zelenskyy says US 'not ready to protect us'
Ramping up his desire for a more muscular and mighty Europe, Mr Zelenskyy said Ukraine's nearly three-year fight against Russia's full-scale invasion had proved that a foundation existed for the creation of a European army — an idea long discussed among some leaders on the continent.

"I really believe that time has come," he said.

"The armed forces of Europe must be created."

Mr Zelenskyy also told The Associated Press on Saturday in Munich that he "didn't let" his ministers sign an agreement with the US on the extraction of minerals in the country, because "it is not ready to protect us, our interest".

Ukraine is hoping to offer rare earth elements essential for many kinds of technology in exchange for continued military aid.

 

[Scott Downey]

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European and US relations are heating up.​

Ukraine war latest: Russia claims gain in Donetsk; top Putin negotiator 'to visit Washington'

Vladimir Putin aide Kirill Dmitriev will meet US special envoy Steve Witkoff in Washington DC this week, according to reports. Elsewhere, Russia claimed to have advanced on the battlefield.

news.sky.com

Zelenskyy 'interrogation' was 'horror' to watch, former Poland president tells Trump​

Poland's former president has signed a letter to Donald Trump expressing his "horror and distaste" at his spat with Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the White House last week.
Ukraine's president was publicly dressed down by Trump and vice president JD Vance during a car-crash sit down in front of reporters last Friday.
Lech Walesa, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, said the atmosphere in the Oval Office reminded him of Poland’s communist secret services and regime courts.
"They deprived us of our freedoms and civil rights because we refused to cooperate with the government and our gratitude," he said.
"We are shocked that Mr President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was treated in the same way."
Walesa signed the letter together with other former Polish political prisoners, the post on Facebook showed.

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Europe wants to re-arm itself independent of the US, UK has said unconditional support for Ukraine including UK troops to go to Ukraine

Von der Leyen to inform EU states about defence plans tomorrow​

Ursula von der Leyen says she will inform EU member states about plans to strengthen the European defence industry and the EU's military capabilities tomorrow.
The European Commission president, who attended the summit on Ukraine in London yesterday, told reporters that Europe needs "a massive surge in defence, without any question".
"We want lasting peace, but lasting peace can only be built on strength, and strength begins with strengthening ourselves," she said.
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Europe peace plans are feeble as nothing will work without the US, nothing has changed for Zelenskyy. It is all talk.

'Nothing works unless Trump says yes'​

Despite a busy weekend of diplomacy between Ukraine and its European allies, not much has really changed for Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
That's according to security and defence editor Deborah Haynes, who says Sir Keir Starmer and Europe's leaders "need to prove they're serious" with actions and not just words.
"Nothing's really changed, let's face it," says Haynes.
"We haven't heard from Donald Trump specifically about all of this European fanfare. Nothing really works unless Trump says yes.
"If Trump doesn't back what Starmer and Macron are proposing, then the European peace plan looks pretty feeble given the European military relies so heavily on America's far more powerful armed forces."
"With all this language, and given the severity of the situation and the Prime Minister and other leaders across Europe say they're going to get serious - they now need to show that they are with some action."

 

[Scott Downey]

 

[Dan Clarkston]

China and Russia are both operating on a let's make us great, we come first Policy, is he going to follow them?

So you are in favor of the US lowering itself to third world nation status and not stand up for ourselves.

That's how the baby killing liberal perverts think the US should function.

says Europe needs a new army called European armed forces to defend Europe against Russia

That already exists... it's called NATO

it is time to take US out of NATO..

and out of the UN as well....

We should build up our military and deal with foreign nations from a position of strength

Poland's former president has signed a letter to Donald Trump expressing his "horror and distaste" at his spat with Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the White House last week.

Then let's let Poland step up to the plate and protect Ukraine.

 

[Rockerduck]

So you are in favor of the US lowering itself to third world nation status and not stand up for ourselves.

That's how the baby killing liberal perverts think the US should function.






That already exists... it's called NATO





and out of the UN as well....

We should build up our military and deal with foreign nations from a position of strength






Then let's let Poland step up to the plate and protect Ukraine.

Everyone can see the writing on the wall with Zelensky. These countries talk, but they know its a lost cause. Zelensky wants nukes. What do you think he'd do with them. He wants to defeat Russia and would use a nuke to do it. The man is a power hungry dictator and doesn't care about his people. Otherwise he would cut his losses now and end it.

 

[Scott Downey]

Everyone can see the writing on the wall with Zelensky. These countries talk, but they know its a lost cause. Zelensky wants nukes. What do you think he'd do with them. He wants to defeat Russia and would use a nuke to do it. The man is a power hungry dictator and doesn't care about his people. Otherwise he would cut his losses now and end it.

One nuclear bomb explodes on Russia and Russia bombs Ukraine and the entire EU who gave it to him. Trump nailed Zelenskyy as a dictator who does not want peace, Trump warned Zelenskyy he would start a hot WW3.

Other thing is a desperate man will go to extremes in pursuit of a goal, destroying everything he can in his way to get what he desires.

 

[Rockerduck]

One nuclear bomb explodes on Russia and Russia bombs Ukraine and the entire EU who gave it to him. Trump nailed Zelenskyy as a dictator who does not want peace, Trump warned Zelenskyy he would start a hot WW3.

Other thing is a desperate man will go to extremes in pursuit of a goal, destroying everything he can in his way to get what he desires.

The only hope is that his cabinet will override him. Make peace and build your own military up and don't rely on another country. The rare metals deal would have put US contractors in Ukraine and help build the country back up. Drop back 5 yards and punt.

 

[Taken]

Zelenskyy wants nuclear bombs and NATO membership, remains defiant and says he does not owe an apology to the US and Trump​

Zelenskyy is a school boy spoiled brat in a 47 yr old body, sitting at the helm as only the 6th Pres of Ukraine, of the newly established Nation, him having held no political service offices, rather spent his time on the circuit as a comedic entrainer. He obviously has ZERO skills in Diplomacy and barks at people as if he is on the comedy stage fending off a heckler. Utterly an embarrassment for the Ukrainian people suffering in dire straights from that insane war.

Some Ukrainian diplomats are calling for his impeachment after his ridiculous encounter with Trump.

 

[Scott Downey]

The only hope is that his cabinet will override him. Make peace and build your own military up and don't rely on another country. The rare metals deal would have put US contractors in Ukraine and help build the country back up. Drop back 5 yards and punt.

Trump agrees with you, I posted the new press conference in a thread I just made, said that very thing. Wants the rare earth deal done.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Zelensky is a total idiot moronic fool ! he can not see past his own nose !

Trump will become a Hero in Europe !

Bring on Elections Zelensky you Dictating Butcher of how many lives and how many people damaged, homes destroyed, all just because they were not alowed the rights to Vote by unelected officals and such morons who pushed Putins hand, so as to have to enter into this War ! Russian people are the majority of who live in them Lands !

Zelensky clearly has no true diplomatic skills what so ever ! That's why the Clown can not be bothers to come and do any deal with Putin ! because Zelensky does not have any talent ! but is totaly happy to send People of Ukraine to be killed with no regards !

The Ukraine people are not Zelenskys People in fact !
Does the world truly know what Zelensky truly is ? or who he truly is ? let alone that the Nazis love him ! But the MSM do not or could not be bothered to ask the questions, like why do the Nazis love you Zelensky and why do you love the Nazis !

Not to mention why were the Nazis created in Ukraine and by who ! come on Clown ! Who and what are you truly !
The main Instigator of WW3 ! all over what ? Is it worth it, was it worth taking on ! how many lives Zelensky ! You can see that his eyes are glazed over on humans being killed.

WW2 was kicked off by total BS ! And Poland was sold out to the most Evil Communist killing machine ever anyway ! so much for helping the Polish People ! they were totaly used and discarded anyway ! and that's the point of why one should be carful of how the Game is played out ? because does it pan out the way one may think ? No it does not ! To late when the hits the fan ! and then one looks back and thinks i wonder if such could of been all handled a lot better !
Because just look at the hell to all the people it causes ! kids without their dad and so on, I remember people who were like that, they did not have a dad, he was stolen from their lives !
I heard all of the storys from such people ! seriously No no it's not good at all ! That's a lot of pain and such kids who then went off the rails being total nasty people to deal with. I remember !

 

[Truth7t7]

Zelenskyy says Trump is a Russian prop for Putin's show, says Europe needs a new army called European armed forces to defend Europe against Russia

MSN

It's a great idea, the US has been in Europe militarily way to long, let Europe pay for their own military protection

Throw in Canada as the 51st state, America has been funding and protecting Canada way to long

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Bring on Elections Zelensky....

Under their laws, there are no elections while the nation is under martial law.

It's the same in the US.... if we were attacked / invaded on our own soil and the nation was under martial law being at war.... elections would be suspended.

 

[Scott Downey]

Under their laws, there are no elections while the nation is under martial law.

It's the same in the US.... if we were attacked / invaded on our own soil and the nation was under martial law being at war.... elections would be suspended.

Civil war US
north had elections

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/2020-election-delay-trump-civil-war-wwii-trnd/index.html

In 1864, President Abraham Lincoln was in the midst of the Civil War, at the helm of a nation at war with itself. He was confronted by the challenging logistics of holding an election with soldiers on the battlefields and dimming hopes for his own reelection, which prompted advisers to suggest a delay.

But it happened as scheduled.

“The election, along with its incidental, and undesirable strife, has done good too,” Lincoln said days after winning it. “It has demonstrated that a people’s government can sustain a national election, in the midst of a great civil war.”
Back in 2004, there was concern a terrorist attack could be timed to disrupt the first federal election after 9/11, and it was reported that the election could be delayed if such an attack took place. But then-national security adviser Condoleezza Rice sought to shut down speculation, citing the country’s precedent.

“We’ve had elections in this country when we were at war, even when we were in civil war, and we should have the elections on time,” she said at the time. “No one is thinking of postponing the elections.”

Another note: No incumbent president has ever lost reelection during a war.

The Point: By suggesting delaying the November election, Trump would be breaking an American tradition of never shying away from proceeding with a national vote – even during our hardest times.

 

[Windmill Charge]

you are in favor of the US lowering itself to third world nation status and not stand up for ourselves.

Where have I implied or said that.

Alternatively should America bully smaller weaker nations to get what it wants regardless of the effect upon that nation?

Is justice going to be a foreign concept, only app for Americans?

 

[Scott Downey]

Well, Ukraine wants to sign the rare earths deal, they wrote an apology letter.
Trump also wants it done
My sense is Ukraine knows if Americans in a US government brokered deal are directly involved in a business deal, that implies some kind of related security functionality which is better than nothing. As in more skin in the game.

MSN

President Donald Trump signaled another twist in the back-and-forth over his effort to force a negotiated end to the Ukraine-Russia war during his speech Tuesday night.

As he first mentioned Ukraine 90 minutes into his address, Trump provided an update following last week's blowup in the Oval Office between him and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.


Zelenskyy left the White House after the shouting match and did not sign an anticipated deal that would have given the U.S. rare minerals from Ukraine.

MORE: Trump and Zelenskyy key takeaways: Oval Office meeting explodes into shouting match

Trump claimed during his speech Zelenskyy sent him a letter just before his speech indicating that he was ready to come back to the negotiating table and was willing to sign the agreement to give the U.S. access to Ukraine's rare materials.

"Nobody wants peace more than the Ukrainians, he said. My team and I stand ready to work under President Trump's strong leadership to get a peace that lasts. We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine," Trump claimed the letter said.

Zelenskyy and Ukrainian officials didn't immediately comment, The letter hasn't been released by the White House or Ukrainian officials.

Trump indicated to top advisers he wanted to get the deal done before the speech, sources told ABC News.

 

[lforrest]

One nuclear bomb explodes on Russia and Russia bombs Ukraine and the entire EU who gave it to him. Trump nailed Zelenskyy as a dictator who does not want peace, Trump warned Zelenskyy he would start a hot WW3.

Other thing is a desperate man will go to extremes in pursuit of a goal, destroying everything he can in his way to get what he desires.

If I were Russia I wouldn't settle for nuking just Europe. It would be a poor tactical decision to leave the US as an economic and military power, even if we have nothing to do with Ukraine from here out.

 

[Rockerduck]

If I were Russia I wouldn't settle for nuking just Europe. It would be a poor tactical decision to leave the US as an economic and military power, even if we have nothing to do with Ukraine from here out.

There are more advanced weaponry than Nukes now. EMPs and precision bombing could take out the food supply chain and storage. Imagine not having a grocery store and no power, and no running water. How long will a population last.