You are evading talking about Ezekiel 37:15-22 is talking about the current nation of Israel.
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No, that is not what I am saying.
Ezekiel 37:15-22, says that Israel when a nation again, it will be one nation, not two nations any longer of north and south. And as one nation, it will have one king (leader) over it. Benjamin Netanyahu is the most recent prime minister. There have been many other prime ministers of Israel before him, since May 14, 1948.
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tailgator
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The current nation of Israel is the beast
They were not raised out of their graves and recieve the spirit of God
They followed the beast.Whyvdj you worship the beast Doug,?
tailgator
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Well if Messiah isn't reigning over Israel ,then the beast in Israel today is not his kingdom .
Ezekiel 37 has not been fulfilled at all.Messiah is not there .Either you believe Benjamin netanyahu i is Messiah or you have to agree Ezekiel 37 is not fulfilled because if the people in Israel were these people in Ezekiel 37,then Messiah would be reigning over them.
Ezekiel 37
23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.
24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
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tailgator
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So you preach the first resurection takes place before the tribulation .
Do you deny the first resurection is of them who die during the tribulation ?
Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Why do preach there is a resurrection before the first resurection of them in Christ(The church.)?
No, the resurrection of the martyred great tribulation saints is called the "first resurrection" relative to the millennium. Does not include a rapture - i.e. the translation of the living in Christ.
The rapture/resurrection of those in Christ event will be before the the great tribulation begins.
The events in order....
1. The rapture/resurrection event before the great tribulation begins.
2. Then the great tribulation takes place and there will be martyred great tribulation saints.
3. Jesus returns at the end of the great tribulation, with his bride, the raptured/resurrected in Christ.
4. Jesus resurrects the martyred great tribulation saints, in what is called the first resurrection of the millennium.
5. The millennium reign of Jesus then takes place
6. After the millennium, one last rebellion of nations that will attack Israel.
7. God destroys the attackers by fire from heaven.
8. Then the second resurrection, relative to the millennium takes place
9. Then this present earth and its heaven destroyed.
10. Then Great White Throne judgment of those persons of the second resurrection. Some judged to eternal life. Some judged to eternal damnation in the lake of fire.
11. Then the new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem as eternity begins.
All of Ezekiel 37 has not been fulfilled yet. The unfulfilled part is the messiah as Israel's ruling king.
Benjamin Netanyahu is the most recent prime minister of a series of prime ministers of the current nation of Israel since May 14, 1948. Benajamin Netanyahu is not the messiah, nor is the beast, nor is the Antichrist, nor is the false prophet.
Events are still pending Stage 1 taking place.
tailgator
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None of Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled
God has not gathered the whole house of Israel into the land of Israel.
The prophets and apostles are members of the whole house of Israel.They have not risen from their graves and they have not been gathered into the land of Israel as Ezekiel 37 describes.
Do you acknowledge that there is a nation known as Israel in the middle-east right now ?
tailgator
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If there was a resurection before the tribulation when the saints are killed,then that resurrection would have been the first resurection.
Instead,the first resurection takes place after the tribulation in which the Israelites who are beheaded for their testimony of Jesus ,and did not worship the beast,it's image nor received its mark are resurected and reign with Christ.
There are only 144000 who are the first fruits to be gathered and redeemed from the ground.
Your pretrib resurection does not exist.
The first resurection takes place after the tribulation when Jesus comes are gathers his elect.
tailgator
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There is a beast in the middle east consisting of 11 horns.The smallest horn calls itself by the name Israel,and it came up last.
Yes I acknowledge the beast is in the middle east.
Or as the Bible says,in that kingdom.
No, because the rapture/resurrection event is not just a resurrection but a combined event involving the living in Christ and the dead in Christ.
So your answer is "yes" that you acknowledge that there is nation known as Israel in the middle-east right now.
tailgator
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Also Daniel shows the saints in Israel being killed for 42 months before the resurection and rapture that takes place during the great tribulation.
The persecuted saints are imprisoned and killed in Daniel 11:33-35.
The great tribulation ,first resurection and rapture takes place in Daniel 12:1-2.
tailgator
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Here are two maps that compare current Israel (on the left) and Israel divided into north and southern kingdoms (on the right). Ezekiel 37:15-22 of Israel being one nation again was fulfilled on May 14,1948.
tailgator
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It looks divided .
The grey area seems to be devided from the orange area
Or do you believe all the arabs have been gathered by God because they are Israel?
Do you also claim all the arabs came out of their graves also seeing they to live in the land of Israel and Judah?
Not me, really; that's actually what pre-trib rapture authors like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye did with their fiction books. And they made a lot of money doing that too.
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