Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[tailgator]

Jesus's return is in Ezekiel 39:21-29. Have your read Ezekiel 39 yet ? Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Go read those.

Do you acknowledge that Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the feast of Revelation 19:17-18 ?

Jesus returns and raises the dead in Ezekiel 37

That is before Gog comes against the resurected saints of Israel .Not after like you preach.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Douggg]

It amazing that jews from all over the world follow after the beast and Doug preaches that God came and gathered them .
You preach every antichrist jew in Israel recieved the holy spirit in 1948.

No, you know that I never said such a thing.

 

[tailgator]

Ezekiel was presented a vision that was symbolic of Israel's condition. That valley full of dry bones does not exist today - because it never was a real valley of dry bones - it was only a vision Ezekiel was presented to make a point.

Ezekiel 37:
1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

Dry bones with no flesh or skin on them normally means they are dead
They have died and are awaiting the resurection when the Lord would open their graves and bring them up out of their graves.

You have proven that you do not believe in the resurrection.You have made clear that you do not believe God can raise the dead.

Ezekiel 37 is a vision Ezekiel had of God raising the dead.


Ezekiel 37

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

[tailgator]

No, you know that I never said such a thing.

You said it is already fulfilled .


Ezekiel 37

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.






You even believe the gays ,lesbians ,murderes and rapists have God's spirit in n them when you claim he gathered them into his land.



Well,did God open their graves,put his spirit in them and bring them back to the land of Israel or not,?

 

[Douggg]

The only people who would say Israel is a land of unwalled villages are blind people who can't see them.
Anyone with eyes that can see knows the people who dwell in Israel build many walls .

The villages, towns and cities in Israel are not encompassed with walls. The walls in the pictures are to separate Israel from the west bank strip of land along the Jordan river. The west bank area hosts Palestinians who as a whole oppose Israel. The walls are intended to keep out Palestinian militants.

 

[tailgator]

The villages, towns and cities in Israel are not encompassed with walls. The walls in the pictures are to separate Israel from the west bank strip of land along the Jordan river. The west bank area hosts Palestinians who as a whole oppose Israel. The walls are intended to keep out Palestinian militants.

A land of walled villages and towns .They have no God to protect them.

 

[Douggg]

Dry bones with no flesh or skin on them normally means they are dead
They have died and are awaiting the resurection when the Lord would open their graves and bring them up out of their graves.

The bones in the vision were not in graves. Ezekiel was able to see them laying on the ground, all dried out.

You don't get it that the vision Ezekiel was presented is about the nation of Israel becoming a nation again, back in the land of Israel, as one nation - no longer two nations of north and south.

Ezekiel 37:
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

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Do you deny that Israel over there, with Jerusalem as its capital, exists ?

 

[tailgator]

The bones in the vision were not in graves. Ezekiel was able to see them laying on the ground, all dried out.

You don't get it that the vision Ezekiel was presented is about the nation of Israel becoming a nation again, back in the land of Israel, as one nation - no longer two nations of north and south.

Ezekiel 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

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Do you deny that Israel over there, with Jerusalem as its capital, exists ?

Israel is the son of God.

Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,


It is the beast which you believe is Israel.

 

[tailgator]

This is the body of Christ raising from the dead.

Ezekiel 37
14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord



Through one spirit are they baptized into one body.
Israel,the son of God.

 

[tailgator]

So many people worship the beast ever since the deadly wound was healed.They believe it is God's people raised from death to life.

 

[Douggg]

It is the beast which you believe is Israel.

No, that's what you are saying.

 

[tailgator]

No, that's what you are saying.

I'm not the one saying the beast in Jerusalem is Israel.
You are


Israel,the son of God is not reigning in Jerusalem today .He has not come and raised Israel from their graves yet.

Ezekiel 37
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



No,this resurrection in Ezekiel 37 has not been fulfilled.

 

[Taken]

The saints who are resurected from.their graves in the first resurection do not suffer a second death.
They reign with Christ for 1000 years before Gog comes against them in Ezekiel 38 and revelation 20.

Not in question.
God raises whom He Will, When He Wills.
Jesus raised whom He Will, When He Wills.

God Raised up Noah and his Family, in their natural bodies, Above the Earth, during the First Great Tribulations Sent down From Heaven.

God Raised up a dead boy’s body, by Returning his Living soul back to the boys body, and the boys body resumed living his natural life.

God raised up bodys’ of Saints to walk about (for 40 days) with Jesus after Jesus’ resurrection.

Jesus raised up Lazarus’ (4 days) dead and buried body.

Christ Jesus shall (Bodily) Raise Up, bodies of Those Baptized by the Lamb of God….(whose body is naturally dead or naturally Alive), MAKING their body “changed / Glorified / Immortal”…and the dead receive their saved soul in their new body and quickened spirit in their body.
The Living…have their saved soul in them, their Quickened spirit in them, THUS, only their body is MADE Changed.
This is called Scripturally: Caught Up…or in English “Rapture”….”not A Resurrection…”
Rather is a “Redemption” of Christ Jesus “claiming what Belongs to Him.”
This raising Applies ONLY to they Baptized by the Lamb of God before the Trib sent down from Heaven.
This Raising is Above the Face of the Earth, To the Clouds.
They specifically called, “Members of Christs Church.”
This Occurs BEFORE, The Lamb of God Sends His Portion (7 Seals) of the 2nd and Last Great Tribulations to be sent down from Heaven.

1Thes.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

God shall “Resurrect” after the Great Trib (seals, trumps, bowls) All remaining Body’s…souls Saved during the Trib.(First Resurrection) And unsaved souls (Second /Last Resurrection)

1 Thes.4: [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

John 10:
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Douggg]

Israel is the son of God.

Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

The verse is speaking figuratively. Israel has also been figuratively described as God's wife.

 

[Douggg]

I'm not the one saying the beast in Jerusalem is Israel.
You are

No, I have not. You are the one who is claiming Netanyahu is the beast.

 

[Douggg]

Israel,the son of God is not reigning in Jerusalem today .He has not come and raised Israel from their graves yet.

Jesus, not Israel, will be reigning in Jerusalem when Jesus returns.

 

[tailgator]

Jesus, not Israel, will be reigning in Jerusalem when Jesus returns.

So you deny Jesus is Israel ,the son of God.


Exodus 4:22
Then say to Pharaoh, ‘This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son,

 

[tailgator]

You believe because David Ben-Gurion decided he would call his new government and it's kingdom Israel,then it truly must be Israel coming out of their graves.The son of God gathering all Israel into his kingdom


You only have one problem.
David Ben -Gurion is not Israel,the son of God,nor is his kingdom Israel

 

[Taken]

You saying everyone in Israel has been resurected from their graves like Doug is?

No.

 

[Taken]

PS
The people in this verse do not suffer tribulation after they have comme out of their graves in Ezekiel 37.

Ezekiel 38
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.




You can not kill these people.They do not suffer a second death.They are safe.

Ever humans natural LIFE is it’s Blood.
“all” body’s life( Blood) Shall, Must Die. God requires (at Least Once) the Life of man to become Dead.
Gen 9:5

Glory to God,
Taken