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[Verily]

Hopefully simple question, when the sheep and the goats (divided to the left and right) and judged its by the "the least of these brethren of mine" correct? For example, he says to the sheep "what you have done unto the least of these "my brethren" (which is not speaking of the goats obviously) you did unto me. And the same when he speaks to the goats, "what you did not do unto the least of these" my brethren you did not do unto me. Is this a separate group standing with him on that day, or is speaking to the goats about the sheep (just not the sheep to the goats) because we all know the goats are not his brethren.

Just looks like three groups are present, "these my brethren" and the sheep and the goats, no?

 

[ewq1938]

Adventists understand the future because history repeats, and Jesus said in order to understand the future, we first need to understand the past.

“And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, (in other words, when you take note of history)ye might believe. ”
John 14:29 KJV

Jesus is talking about prophecy in that verse. Nothing at all about history repeating itself. You employ Eisegesis to force the idea of history repeating being expressed in that verse.

 

[ewq1938]

Hopefully simple question, when the sheep and the goats (divided to the left and right) and judged its by the "the least of these brethren of mine" correct? For example, he says to the sheep "what you have done unto the least of these "my brethren" (which is not speaking of the goats obviously) you did unto me. And the same when he speaks to the goats, "what you did not do unto the least of these" my brethren you did not do unto me. Is this a separate group standing with him on that day, or is speaking to the goats about the sheep (just not the sheep to the goats) because we all know the goats are not his brethren.

Just looks like three groups are present, "these my brethren" and the sheep and the goats, no?

No. The brethren are symbolized as sheep. When they did good things to Jesus but they had not, Jesus explains if they did good to his brethren, they did it to him. All the sheep are His brethren.

 

[Verily]

No. The brethren are symbolized as sheep. When they did good things to Jesus but they had not, Jesus explains if they did good to his brethren, they did it to him. All the sheep are His brethren.

I had asked this years ago on another forum (I think Bibletruth) where both you and I were on a thread and ya said nuffin, and now you are finally gonna answer eh?

It shows the righteous are symbolized as the sheep who did unto "the least of these my brethren" and the goats are symbolized of the unrighteous who did not do unto "the least of these my brethren".

Both (sheep and goats) were at a loss as far as it goes to recognizing Christ in the least of these his brethren.

 

[ewq1938]

I had asked this years ago on another forum (I think Bibletruth) where both you and I were on a thread and ya said nuffin, and now you are finally gonna answer eh?

Some questions can only be answered only after 3 years have passed.

It shows the righteous are symbolized as the sheep who did unto "the least of these my brethren" and the goats are symbolized of the unrighteous who did not do unto "the least of these my brethren".

Both (sheep and goats) were at a loss as far as it goes to recognizing Christ in the least of these his brethren.

Yeah.

 

[Verily]

Some questions can only be answered only after 3 years have passed.

It was way longer than that, more like 10 or 15 believe it or not

Yeah.

Follow this out, it says,

He that sanctifieth (which is Christ) and they who are sanctified are all of one and these it says he is not ashamed to call brethren right?

If this is so and these were instructed to be in some kind of need, even as Paul speaks of being instructed to be full and to be in need, they are shown to be some sort of perceivable need that can be reccognize (after the flesh) but understood to be a stranger in the sense they dont reccognize him (or Christ in them) after the Spirit.

Because both (Sheep and goats) were like, when saw we thee a stranger?

But they did see him, they just did not perceive him.

Even Paul says,

Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Likewise Jesus says,

Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

And Paul again says,

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Or for example when Jesus himself drew near and went with them, but they were kept from knowing him and they see him (after the flesh) but regard him as a stranger in Luke 24:18

And asks him

Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

But here they take Jesus in

Luke 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Luke 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Perfect,

Mat 25:28 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in?

Similarly,

Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst?

So he was athirst (or rather his brethren) and giving even a cup of cold water because you specifically belong to Christ has a reward.

Mark 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Paul speaks of the same things

1 Cr 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace

Likewise Jesus says,

Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Shows the same in Paul

Acts 24:23 And he commanded a centurion to keep Paul, and to let him have liberty, and that he should forbid none of his acquaintance to minister or come unto him.

None would be forbidden to come unto him to minister to his needs which certain did

Likewise does Paul say this of Onesiphorus

2 Tim 1:18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.

And the King shall answer and say unto them

Mat 25:40 Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Edit: Typo

 

[ewq1938]

It was way longer than that, more like 10 or 15 believe it or not


Follow this out, it says,

He that sanctifieth (which is Christ) and they who are sanctified are all of one and these it says he is not ashamed to call brethren right?

If this is so and these were instructed to be in some kind of need, even as Paul speaks of being instructed to be full and to be in need, they are shown to be some sort of perceivable need that can be reccognize (after the flesh) but understood to be a stranger in the sense they dont reccognize him (or Christ in them) after the Spirit.

Because both (Sheep and goats) were like, when saw we thee a stranger?

But they did see him, they just did not perceive him.

Even Paul says,

Heb 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

Likewise Jesus says,

Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

And Paul again says,

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Or for example when Jesus himself drew near and went with them, but they were kept from knowing him and they see him (after the flesh) but regard him as a stranger in Luke 24:18

And asks him

Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

But here they take Jesus in

Luke 24:28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further.

Luke 24:29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them.

Perfect,

Mat 25:28 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in?

Similarly,

Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst?

So he was athirst (or rather his brethren) and giving even a cup of cold water because you specifically belong to Christ has a reward.

Mark 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Paul speaks of the same things

1 Cr 4:11 Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwellingplace

Likewise Jesus says,

Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Shows the same in Paul

Acts 24:23 And he commanded a centurion to keep Paul, and to let him have liberty, and that he should forbid none of his acquaintance to minister or come unto him.

None would be forbidden to come unto him to minister to his needs which certain did

Likewise does Paul say this of Onesiphorus

2 Tim 1:18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.

And the King shall answer and say unto them

Mat 25:40 Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Edit: Typo

Can you summarize what you are trying to show in a sentence or two?

 

[Verily]

Can you summarize what you are trying to show in a sentence or two?

Nope, pass on by me.

 

[ewq1938]

Nope, pass on by me.

So you type a very long post, but won't offer even one sentence to summarize so I know what the entire point was? That's weird.

 

[Verily]

So you type a very long post, but won't offer even one sentence to summarize so I know what the entire point was? That's weird.

I summarized it at the first then followed it up with something a little more lengthier, I dont know why that is weird.

And I cannot just put that in a sentence. I'll take it as my cue, if you don't see it you don't see it, I am not going to go back and forth with you concerning it.

 

[Verily]

So you type a very long post, but won't offer even one sentence to summarize so I know what the entire point was? That's weird.

The best I could do was give it to AI and ask if it could see my point by feeding it the scriptures I was looking at, and have it break it down into three groups as I was catching it.

Third Group in Parable​

The passage from Matthew 25:31-46, often referred to as the "parable of the sheep and the goats," describes a judgment scene where people are divided into two groups: the sheep and the goats. However, the text also mentions a third group, referred to as "the least of these my brethren" 23 [3].

• The Sheep: These are the righteous individuals who are placed on the right hand of the King. They are invited to inherit the Kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world because they have shown compassion and care to "the least of these my brethren." The sheep are surprised by this judgment, as they did not recognize that their actions were directed toward Jesus himself 23 [3].
• The Goats: These are the individuals who are placed on the left hand of the King. They are condemned to eternal fire because they failed to show compassion and care to "the least of these my brethren." Like the sheep, the goats are also surprised by this judgment, as they did not realize that their neglect was a neglect of Jesus 23 [3].
• The Least of These My Brethren: This third group consists of those who are hungry, thirsty, strangers, naked, sick, and in prison. Jesus identifies with these individuals, stating that whatever was done to them was done to Him. This group is not explicitly judged in the passage but serves as the basis for the judgment of the sheep and the goats

 

[ewq1938]

The best I could do was give it to AI and ask if it could see my point by feeding it the scriptures I was looking at, and have it break it down into three groups as I was catching it.

Third Group in Parable​

The passage from Matthew 25:31-46, often referred to as the "parable of the sheep and the goats," describes a judgment scene where people are divided into two groups: the sheep and the goats. However, the text also mentions a third group, referred to as "the least of these my brethren" 23 [3].

• The Sheep: These are the righteous individuals who are placed on the right hand of the King. They are invited to inherit the Kingdom prepared for them from the foundation of the world because they have shown compassion and care to "the least of these my brethren." The sheep are surprised by this judgment, as they did not recognize that their actions were directed toward Jesus himself 23 [3].
• The Goats: These are the individuals who are placed on the left hand of the King. They are condemned to eternal fire because they failed to show compassion and care to "the least of these my brethren." Like the sheep, the goats are also surprised by this judgment, as they did not realize that their neglect was a neglect of Jesus 23 [3].
• The Least of These My Brethren: This third group consists of those who are hungry, thirsty, strangers, naked, sick, and in prison. Jesus identifies with these individuals, stating that whatever was done to them was done to Him. This group is not explicitly judged in the passage but serves as the basis for the judgment of the sheep and the goats

Everyone is on the left or the right. The brethren are a subset of those on the right who are sheep. Ask the AI about this subset concept.

I see it like this:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my sheep, ye have done it unto me.


The sheep helping the sheep also helps the leader sheep which is a Lamb.

Joh_21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Peter is a sheep, intended to feed Christ's sheep...same concept but doing this knowingly.

 

[Davy]

Yeah, truth sounds arrogant to people sometimes.

Not Ellen White's brand of truth, where she predicted the end of this world giving a date and it did not happen.

What does God's Word say about the false prophet who claims this or that will happen, and it does not, and the penalty per the old covenant law?

Deut 18:19-22
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto My words which he shall speak in My name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thine heart, "How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?"

22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
KJV

 

[Verily]

Everyone is on the left or the right. The brethren are a subset of those on the right who are sheep. Ask the AI about this subset concept.

I see it like this:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my sheep, ye have done it unto me.

I just pasted in the verse you posted above Mat 25:40 and it responded, "The term "sheep" in your query does not appear. Which translation are you using, I checked the parallels here and couldnt find it

Matthew 25:40 - The Sheep and the Goats

And the King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.'

biblehub.com

The sheep helping the sheep also helps the leader sheep which is a Lamb.

Joh_21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Peter is a sheep, intended to feed Christ's sheep...same concept but doing this knowingly.

We know Jesus is both the good Shepherd and the door of the sheep, Jesus says,

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

But he also speaks of "he that entereth in" by the door here and says also

John 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

To this one specifically he says

John 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

 

[Brakelite]

Not Ellen White's brand of truth, where she predicted the end of this world giving a date and it did not happen.

Interesting. You no doubt have irrefutable evidence for that right? From her own writings? There's a full web site with her complete writings from the very beginning of her 70 years of ministry free to download at your pleasure. Let me know and I can recommend some. There's books, personal letters magazine articles, and pamphlets.
During her lifetime she wrote more than 5,000 periodical articles and 40 books; but today, including compilations from her 50,000 pages of manuscript, more than 100 titles are available in English. She is the most translated woman writer in the entire history of literature, and the most translated American author of either gender. Her life-changing masterpiece on successful Christian living, Steps to Christ, has been published in more than 140 languages. Her writings cover a broad range of subjects, including religion, education, social relationships, evangelism, prophecy, publishing, nutrition, and management.
If she taught and established a date for the second coming, then I'm sure that somewhere among those writings, you'll find it. The web site even has its own very efficient search engine to help you. Looking forward to your response.
By the way, there's an app available for Android on Google play...

EGW Writings 2 - Apps on Google Play

The Complete Published Writings of Ellen G. White available in 137 languages.

play.google.com

 

[ewq1938]

I just pasted in the verse you posted above Mat 25:40 and it responded, "The term "sheep" in your query does not appear. Which translation are you using, I checked the parallels here and couldnt find it

It was how I see it, "I see it like this:"

 

[Verily]

It was how I see it, "I see it like this:"

Yeah I figured, when you said,

"Ask the AI about this subset concept"

I just ran what you said.

I can't say am 100% convinced, I just put it out there just to see if someone else might be catching the same in that way and perhaps have something to add either way.

 

[ewq1938]

Yeah I figured, when you said,

"Ask the AI about this subset concept"

Ask it and let us know what it says. "Are the least of my brethren a subset of the sheep...?"

 

[Verily]

Ask it and let us know what it says. "Are the least of my brethren a subset of the sheep...?"

This is what it spit out

Least of My Brethren​

In the passage from Matthew 25, Jesus distinguishes between the sheep and the goats, indicating that the sheep are those who have cared for "the least of these brothers of Mine".4 This suggests that the least of these brethren are not a subset of the sheep but rather the recipients of the sheep's actions. The sheep are those who have shown mercy and care to the least of these brethren.23
The least of these brethren are described as those who are hungry, thirsty, homeless, naked, sick, and imprisoned.2 The focus is on the actions of the sheep towards these individuals, not on whether these individuals are part of the sheep group. The goats, on the other hand, are those who have not shown such care.

 

[Verily]

Speaks of a prophets reward also, after hiding a hundred of the LORD's prophets in caves, it says

1 Kings 18:7 And as Obadiah was in the way, behold, Elijah met him: and he knew him, and fell on his face, and said, Art thou that my lord Elijah?

It also says,

Mat 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward

Skipping foward he tells Elijah

1 Kings 18:13 Was it not told my lord what I did when Jezebel slew the prophets of the LORD, how I hid an hundred men of the LORD'S prophets by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water?

Whereas Jesus says,

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part

Mark 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

For Jesus says,

John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

And so likewise he says

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.