THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL

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CadyandZoe

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There is more than one gospel according to scripture
The gospel given in a particular dispensation must be believed by those to whom it was given
I disagree. There is only one gospel.
 

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These are the same idea.
[Act 2:37-38 KJV] 37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When they asked Peter what they should do He said to be baptized in water for forgiveness of sin.......he did not say Jesus died for your sins and was raised for your justification,; believe the gospel

How is that the same idea?
 

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Galatians 1:6-12

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6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by t he revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

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Galatians 1:6-12​

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6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by t he revelation of Jesus Christ.
May I ask why did you post this....what do you wish to convey?
 

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May I ask why did you post this....what do you wish to convey?
There is only one Gospel...Jesus preached the good news/ Gospel.

What other gospel can there be?

Only the name of Jesus and by his death and resurrection, we can become Born Again. @Doug ?
 
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Only the name of Jesus and by his death and resurrection, we can become Born Again. @Doug ?
I may be wrong but to me you are combining the gospel preached by Peter with Paul's gospel
It depends on what you mean by "only the name of Jesus"
I believe on the name of Jesus but not for salvation as Peter and the twelve did....they received eternal life only by believing on his name that he iis Christ the Son of God......Jesus had not yet gone to the cross....salvation by his death and resurrection was not revealed yet

[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
 
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I may be wrong but to me you are combining the gospel preached by Peter with Paul's gospel
It depends on what you mean by "only the name of Jesus"
I believe on the name of Jesus but not for salvation as Peter and the twelve did....they received eternal life only by believing on his name that he iis Christ the Son of God......Jesus had not yet gone to the cross....salvation by his death and resurrection was not revealed yet

[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Ok my friend, I may be misunderstanding and didn’t read your first post fully...I will give it a good read and then get back to you...happy discussion, free from arguing..I pray that in Jesus Name..Amen!
 

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Ok my friend, I may be misunderstanding and didn’t read your first post fully...I will give it a good read and then get back to you...happy discussion, free from arguing..I pray that in Jesus Name..Amen!
Ok sounds good
I dont argue so feel free to say anything and discuss anything...I will do the best I can
 
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[Act 2:37-38 KJV] 37 Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

When they asked Peter what they should do He said to be baptized in water for forgiveness of sin.......he did not say Jesus died for your sins and was raised for your justification,; believe the gospel

How is that the same idea?
This can be confusing because many Christians do not fully understand the New Testament teaching on baptism. Contrary to popular belief, baptism is not merely a ritual cleansing or an initiation ceremony. Instead, the person being baptized is making a commitment to learn from the teacher, who is Jesus Christ. Baptism represents an agreement to follow Jesus and to learn from His teachings, as well as the teachings of the apostles, including Paul.

Peter is not implying that baptism is the means to forgiveness, as some people believe. Instead, he is stating that the forgiveness of sins, grounded in faith, is what a believer needs to accept. When an individual makes that commitment, they will receive baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Bottom line: Only those whom Jesus forgives will receive eternal life. Unless Jesus chooses to accept us into his kingdom, we will not be a part of it. He is interested only in those who listen to his teachings, believe in what he says, and follow his example. All the apostles, including Paul, teach this.
 

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This can be confusing because many Christians do not fully understand the New Testament teaching on baptism. Contrary to popular belief, baptism is not merely a ritual cleansing or an initiation ceremony. Instead, the person being baptized is making a commitment to learn from the teacher, who is Jesus Christ. Baptism represents an agreement to follow Jesus and to learn from His teachings, as well as the teachings of the apostles, including Paul.
There is nothing in scripture that says being baptized is to dedicate yourself to the teachings of Christ and the apostles

There is in scripture water baptism and washings as a ritual cleansing only for Israel

[Exo 19:10 KJV] 10 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them to day and to morrow, and let them wash their clothes,

[Exo 29:4 KJV] 4 And Aaron and his sons thou shalt bring unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and shalt wash them with water.

[Exo 30:20 KJV] 20 When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:

[Mat 3:11 KJV] 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
 

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Peter is not implying that baptism is the means to forgiveness, as some people believe.
[Mar 1:4 KJV] 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

John said his baptism was for the remission of sins (remission is forgiveness)

[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter said baptism was for remission of sins

these baptisms forgive sin according to scripture
 

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Instead, he is stating that the forgiveness of sins, grounded in faith, is what a believer needs to accept.
That is true for us when we believe Paul's gospel

For eternal life Israel had only to believe on his name (that he is Christ the Son of God)

[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

[Jhn 20:31 KJV] 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Now after believing they were to be baptized as commanded

[Mar 16:16 KJV] 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Christ commanded baptism as you said but this was for believing Israel to enter the kingdom

[Mar 16:17 KJV] 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

This passage goes onto say they were to believe in his name and these signs would be found in Peter and the others

[Mar 16:18 KJV] 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These signs would also I believe pertain to the tribulation
 

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Bottom line: Only those whom Jesus forgives will receive eternal life. Unless Jesus chooses to accept us into his kingdom, we will not be a part of it. He is interested only in those who listen to his teachings, believe in what he says, and follow his example. All the apostles, including Paul, teach this.
We only have to believe the gospel for us now which is found in Paul's epistles
 

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If you see more than one gospel, you have misunderstood the scriptures.
I think the scripture is pretty clear and understood
Galatians 3:8 says gospel,,,as does Hebrews 4:1-2 Mark 1:15 Galatians 2:7 Romans 1:16 Revelation 14L6
They all say something different
 
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There is nothing in scripture that says being baptized is to dedicate yourself to the teachings of Christ and the apostles.
Yes, there is. That is Christian baptism. Refer to Acts chapter 19. And Matthew chapter 28.
There is in scripture water baptism and washings as a ritual cleansing only for Israel
That is not Christian baptism.
 

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[Mar 1:4 KJV] 4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

John said his baptism was for the remission of sins (remission is forgiveness)
No. John said that repentance was for the remission of sins. Baptism was performed in order to become a disciple of John. Refer to Acts 19.
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter said baptism was for remission of sins
No. Peter is saying that the remission of sins is what Jesus Christ taught, which one will believe if one becomes a disciple of Jesus Christ. Baptism doesn't affect forgiveness, repentance, confession, and conversion affect the remission of sins.
 

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That is true for us when we believe Paul's gospel
It was also true when Moses preached the gospel.
For eternal life Israel had only to believe on his name (that he is Christ the Son of God)
Everyone needs to believe that Jesus is the Christ and that eternal life is through him alone.
Christ commanded baptism as you said but this was for believing Israel to enter the kingdom
Everyone who becomes a disciple of Christ believes his word and perseveres under trial, whether Jew or Gentile, will enter the kingdom of God.