The Second Death Destroys Man's False Amill Theory

[Davidpt]

I and others have presented multiple Scriptures that refute your rejection of Christ's kingship, His rule, His power and His glory. Your fight is with the Book. You explain away the rest of Scripture with your faulty opinion of Rev 20. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 forbids Premil. Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:20-23, Hebrews 2:6-11, Revelation 3:7, Philippians 2:9-11, Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15, 1 Peter 3:22, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 17:14 which you ignore forbids Premil.

Ephesians 1:17-23: “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness (megethos or magnificence) of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

The resurrection is constantly presented in Scripture as the moment Christ secured all power and authority over all creation, including His enemies. It is at the place of majesty that He now reigns in unchallenged power and glory.

Scripture constantly depicts the magnificence, greatness and mighty power of Christ sitting at the right hand of Majesty ruling at the place of sovereign authority upon high. He holds all heaven's power. He is King of kings. He is Lord of lords. Hebrews 1:1-3 confirms: “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty (megalosune) on high."

The word “Majesty” is interpreted from the Greek word megalosune, meaning greatness, i.e. (figuratively) divinity (often God himself). It speaks of glory, mighty power, magnificence and splendour. The phrase “being the brightness of his glory” literally reads “He is the radiance of his glory.”

Christ is no mere impotent King-in-waiting. He is not a want-to-be king. He is no ordinary powerless Prince. We see this in Matthew 28:18, where, after His resurrection, He victoriously declared, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

This is Sovereign kingship! He holds this today upon His Father's throne. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority. All heaven’s authority was deposited upon Christ through the triumph of Calvary where He triumphantly procured absolute victory over death, hell, sin, Satan and every enemy. Christ thus assumed the heavenly throne in perfect fulfilment of Old Testament prophecy and therefore reigns as Sovereign king until His last enemy is made His footstool.

Peter recognizes this in Acts 2:33, saying, “Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”

Again, in Acts 5:30-31, he teaches: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”

He has been “exalted” to the highest place and enjoys unchallenged authority now and for all eternity. Christ exercises divine kingship at the place of ultimate omnipotence as God and as Messiah. As God, Christ holds all power and authority in heaven and on earth, reigning over all creation. But as man He reigns over all His new creation (true spiritual Israel). His deity was simply veiled in a human body during His earthly ministry.

Hebrews 8:1 also says: "We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty (megalosune) in the heavens."

This phrase is synonymous with sitting at "the right hand of the power of God" (Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62 and Luke 22:69). The “right hand” is therefore the special place of honour and power. Christ now enjoys full participation in God's glory in His lofty seat. Of course, repeated Scripture shows us that this means He carries all power. In fact, there is nothing that is not under His authority. The majesty that He possesses is real and ongoing. In a biblical sense, being at “the right hand of the Majesty” or “the right hand of the power of God” means to be the one upon whom majesty, power and authority rests and through whom it operates.

I agree Christ is already reigning except you are ignoring that there are 2 aspects of that involved. He is currently reigning unseen and spiritually as opposed to when He returns where He will then be reigning fully seen and fully bodily, but not in heaven or somewhere else but upon the earth. But not initially after the great white throne judgment has concluded, but before it has concluded since Matthew 25:31-36 demands that he has to be bodily upon the earth at the time in order to even fulfill that judgment.

And why are you ignoring my point about the 2 thrones rather than just one throne in Revelation 3:21. Is it because none of your copy and paste notes deal with my argument pertaining to Revelation 3:21?

 

[Davidpt]

Hello! That is not a figurative passage. Premils habitually spiritualize what is literal and literalize what is spiritual. 2 Peter 3 is climactic and forbids your doctrine. It also exposes the myth that Premils are literalists. They are not. They spiritualize repeated Scripture.

Thankfully, creation will be finally regenerated and freed from the curse in the future (Romans 8:19-23 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-55). What is more, this earth will not be eliminated. It will be regenerated at the coming of Jesus. We see that in Psalm 102:25-27, Matthew 19:28, Acts 3:19-21, 2 Peter 3:7–13, and Hebrews 1:10-12.

Christ is coming back to a perfect glorified regenerated earth to reign forever with the suitably attired glorified saints. It will not be sin-cursed, goat-infested, or death-blighted, as Premillennialists argue.

Wherever one locates the day of the Lord we surely know it arrives “as a thief in the night” (or suddenly) “in which” or “wherein” certain things occur. What are these things that accompany the arrival of the day of the Lord? The above reading demonstrates how the day of the Lord “will come” suddenly “as a thief in the night; in which”:

The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise.
The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’,
The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.
The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.

And continues, “seeing then that all these things (that is 1-4) shall be luomenoon or dissolved / burned up utterly / consumed wholly. No one could surely deny that this is talking about the whole natural order here. The old order is going to be completely consumed by fire in a climactic conflagration so as to make way for the new eternal state. One cannot imagine how the Holy Spirit could have made the awful nature and full extent of God’s judgment any plainer to the human mind in this passage. This passage agrees totally with the all-consummating character of every other explicit Second coming passage in Scripture; the day of the Lord sees the immediate destruction of the old heavens, elements and old earth, and the introduction of the “new heavens and a new earth” (2 Peter 3:13).

It's obvious why you need to take it literally. It is because if you don't you then have to maybe admit Christ sets foot on this earth again, not initially after the great white throne judgment, but prior to it. Because, clearly, no matter how you look at it, no matter when the great white throne judgment occurs, nothing pertaining to Matthew 25:31-46 is involving anything after the great white throne judgment. Like I already pointed out, Matthew 25:31 demands that He has to set foot upon the earth in order to even fulfill that judgment, regardless what it looks like to sit in His throne of glory. He has to do that some place, obviously. And that Matthew 25:31 involves Him returning to somewhere, the earth, obviously, since that's what typically happens when someone returns. They return to somewhere where they were previously. After all, if that is not what to return means, then I give up. I must be retarded or something and unable to comprehend the simplest of things.

 

[WPM]

I agree Christ is already reigning except you are ignoring that there are 2 aspects of that involved. He is currently reigning unseen and spiritually as opposed to when He returns where He will then be reigning fully seen and fully bodily, but not in heaven or somewhere else but upon the earth. But not initially after the great white throne judgment has concluded, but before it has concluded since Matthew 25:31-36 demands that he has to be bodily upon the earth at the time in order to even fulfill that judgment.

And why are you ignoring my point about the 2 thrones rather than just one throne in Revelation 3:21. Is it because none of your copy and paste notes deal with my argument pertaining to Revelation 3:21?

There is only one throne which He rules as God and man. As God, it is His Father's throne. As man, it is David's throne.

There is only one king, reigning on one throne, over one kingdom. In His Davidic kingship, He rules the Israel of God - the redeemed of God; in His divine kingship, He rules all creation. These are two aspects of the one kingship - He is both God and man. This does not mean there are 2 kings, 2 kingdoms or 2 thrones. No. There are two aspects to Christ’s kingship - human and divine.

 

[WPM]

It's obvious why you need to take it literally. It is because if you don't you then have to maybe admit Christ sets foot on this earth again, not initially after the great white throne judgment, but prior to it. Because, clearly, no matter how you look at it, no matter when the great white throne judgment occurs, nothing pertaining to Matthew 25:31-46 is involving anything after the great white throne judgment. Like I already pointed out, Matthew 25:31 demands that He has to set foot upon the earth in order to even fulfill that judgment, regardless what it looks like to sit in His throne of glory. He has to do that some place, obviously. And that Matthew 25:31 involves Him returning to somewhere, the earth, obviously, since that's what typically happens when someone returns. They return to somewhere where they were previously. After all, if that is not what to return means, then I give up. I must be retarded or something and unable to comprehend the simplest of things.

Where does Matthew 25:31 mention earth? Again, this is another extra-biblical addition that you invent to support your error.

 

[tailgator]

There is only one throne which He rules as God and man. As God, it is His Father's throne. As man, it is David's throne.

There is only one king, reigning on one throne, over one kingdom. In His Davidic kingship, He rules the Israel of God - the redeemed of God; in His divine kingship, He rules all creation. These are two aspects of the one kingship - He is both God and man. This does not mean there are 2 kings, 2 kingdoms or 2 thrones. No. There are two aspects to Christ’s kingship - human and divine.

Davids throne of not Gods throne.
David never ascended into heaven and sat on God's throne.

Not the same thrones at all

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are incapable of engaging in a Christian manner. All you have is insults and avoidance. You are full of noise.

When he gets challenged, he puts you on his ignore list because he's all talk. He's not able to back up his claims when he gets challenged to do so. He thinks he can just make claims and assumes people will agree without any challenges to his view. I don't know why he's even here. How can anyone post on a forum like this without expecting any disagreements or debate or without being able to handle that? It makes no sense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Clearly, Jesus is yet to sit in His own throne and the following for one clearly proves it.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

That verse is not saying that He had never previously sat on His throne. That's figuratively talking about Him sitting on His throne for judgment which He has not yet done. That doesn't mean He doesn't currently sit on His throne. So, you just ignore passages like this then?

Acts 2:29-36 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

This passage talks about a prophecy where God promised David that the Messiah/Christ would one day sit on his throne as King. Peter indicated that the fulfillment of Christ sitting on David's throne was fulfilled by way of the resurrection of Christ. After His resurrection and ascension, He was exalted "by the right hand of God" in heaven. God the Father made Jesus "both Lord and Christ". So, don't try to tell us this nonsense that Jesus is not yet sitting on His throne. He most certainly is. He is the King of kings and Lord of Lords! He said Himself that all power in heaven and earth was given to Him (Matthew 28:18).

And since you are not a Preterist, even you can't deny verse 31 hasn't been fulfilled yet. And what does that verse plainly say? When the Son of man shall come in his glory--THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

Again, it doesn't say He will sit upon the throne of His glory for the first time at that point. He will sit upon the throne of His glory to judge mankind at that point, which He has not yet done. You are taking Matthew 25:31 completely out of context because of your doctrinal bias.

Is one to believe that Jesus only does that for 24 hours or less? And that He doesn't do that upon the earth but does that somewhere else? Like maybe the moon, or maybe mars, regardless that it is the earth He would obviously, thus undeniably, be returning to?

Hello? Have you never read this:

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The judgment will not take place on earth or in heaven. If you think the GWTJ doesn't have Jesus as the judge, then you also must either have not read or are forgetting this verse:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

And IMO, once Matthew 25:31 is fulfilled this is the beginning of the reigning with Christ for a thousand years.

Who do you believe the sheep represent in Matthew 25:31-46? Do you believe the following verse is talking about them inheriting the kingdom of God?

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

BTW, keep in mind per Matthew 25:31 He sits in His throne of glory first before He does anything that follows in that chapter. Which means he has to be on the earth at the time and that it has to be meaning before the great white throne judgment has been fulfilled.

How are you coming up with this? Where does Matthew 25:31 say anything about Him being on the earth at that time? It doesn't. Why are you just making things up like this?

Except Amils have no place for Jesus to sit upon the earth when He returns because Amils have the entire planet literally engulfed in flames since Amils sometimes can't discern figurative language when they see it, so they instead treat it as literal. Meaning 2 Peter 3:10 in this case.

LOL. This is rich coming from you or any Premil. Someone who takes all of Revelation 20 literally. Unbelievable.

So, if you are so sure that 2 Peter 3:10 is not literal, then why don't you tell us exactly how you interpret 2 Peter 3:10-12. Do you believe that 1 Thess 5:2-3, which is about the same event, should also not be taken literally?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree Christ is already reigning except you are ignoring that there are 2 aspects of that involved. He is currently reigning unseen and spiritually as opposed to when He returns where He will then be reigning fully seen and fully bodily, but not in heaven or somewhere else but upon the earth. But not initially after the great white throne judgment has concluded, but before it has concluded since Matthew 25:31-36 demands that he has to be bodily upon the earth at the time in order to even fulfill that judgment.

Why do you ignore that Jesus Himself said that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36)? Can you show me where He said that His kingdom would one day come with observation and be of this world?

Matthew 25:31-46 does not demand that He has to be on the earth at that time. Where do you come up with that? You think you can just say things like that without backing it up and we'll just accept it as being true?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I and others have presented multiple Scriptures that refute your rejection of Christ's kingship, His rule, His power and His glory. Your fight is with the Book. You explain away the rest of Scripture with your faulty opinion of Rev 20. 1 Corinthians 15:22-28 forbids Premil. Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:20-23, Hebrews 2:6-11, Revelation 3:7, Philippians 2:9-11, Colossians 2:9-10, 14-15, 1 Peter 3:22, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 17:14 which you ignore forbids Premil.

Ephesians 1:17-23: “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness (megethos or magnificence) of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.”

The resurrection is constantly presented in Scripture as the moment Christ secured all power and authority over all creation, including His enemies. It is at the place of majesty that He now reigns in unchallenged power and glory.

Scripture constantly depicts the magnificence, greatness and mighty power of Christ sitting at the right hand of Majesty ruling at the place of sovereign authority upon high. He holds all heaven's power. He is King of kings. He is Lord of lords. Hebrews 1:1-3 confirms: “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty (megalosune) on high."

The word “Majesty” is interpreted from the Greek word megalosune, meaning greatness, i.e. (figuratively) divinity (often God himself). It speaks of glory, mighty power, magnificence and splendour. The phrase “being the brightness of his glory” literally reads “He is the radiance of his glory.”

Christ is no mere impotent King-in-waiting. He is not a want-to-be king. He is no ordinary powerless Prince. We see this in Matthew 28:18, where, after His resurrection, He victoriously declared, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

This is Sovereign kingship! He holds this today upon His Father's throne. Him and the Father are one spiritually in authority. All heaven’s authority was deposited upon Christ through the triumph of Calvary where He triumphantly procured absolute victory over death, hell, sin, Satan and every enemy. Christ thus assumed the heavenly throne in perfect fulfilment of Old Testament prophecy and therefore reigns as Sovereign king until His last enemy is made His footstool.

Peter recognizes this in Acts 2:33, saying, “Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”

Again, in Acts 5:30-31, he teaches: “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.”

He has been “exalted” to the highest place and enjoys unchallenged authority now and for all eternity. Christ exercises divine kingship at the place of ultimate omnipotence as God and as Messiah. As God, Christ holds all power and authority in heaven and on earth, reigning over all creation. But as man He reigns over all His new creation (true spiritual Israel). His deity was simply veiled in a human body during His earthly ministry.

Hebrews 8:1 also says: "We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty (megalosune) in the heavens."

This phrase is synonymous with sitting at "the right hand of the power of God" (Matthew 26:64, Mark 14:62 and Luke 22:69). The “right hand” is therefore the special place of honour and power. Christ now enjoys full participation in God's glory in His lofty seat. Of course, repeated Scripture shows us that this means He carries all power. In fact, there is nothing that is not under His authority. The majesty that He possesses is real and ongoing. In a biblical sense, being at “the right hand of the Majesty” or “the right hand of the power of God” means to be the one upon whom majesty, power and authority rests and through whom it operates.

Agree. It's hard to comprehend how any Christian could not recognize that Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords right now. What part of Him saying that He was given all power in heaven and earth do they not understand? I believe that is a fundamental principle of Christianity. How can a Christian not even know who Jesus is? It's mind boggling.

 

[Davy]

Jesus is sat at the right hand

I never... denied that my Lord Jesus Christ at present is sitting on the right hand of The Father's Throne, in Heaven. That is well written of, and I never denied any such idea as that.

Yet I am not deluded to think that all nations and people TODAY are presently BOWING IN WORSHIP to Jesus Christ!

 

[Davy]

You are incapable of engaging in a Christian manner. All you have is insults and avoidance. You are full of noise.

You are NOT... to be TRUSTED. You have revealed how you LIE against those you disagree with.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I never... denied that my Lord Jesus Christ at present is sitting on the right hand of The Father's Throne, in Heaven. That is well written of, and I never denied any such idea as that.

Yet I am not deluded to think that all nations and people TODAY are presently BOWING IN WORSHIP to Jesus Christ!

No one is saying that is happening today, so nice job of wasting your time with a straw man argument there. Nowhere does it teach that all people will be bowing to Jesus Christ until the judgment occurs when every knee shall bow (including the unsaved) and acknowledge that He is Lord (Isaiah 45:22-24, Philippians 2:9-11, Romans 14:10-12).

 

[WPM]

No one is saying that is happening today, so nice job of wasting your time with a straw man argument there. Nowhere does it teach that all people will be bowing to Jesus Christ until the judgment occurs when every knee shall bow (including the unsaved) and acknowledge that He is Lord (Isaiah 45:22-24, Philippians 2:9-11, Romans 14:10-12).

Check all of his arguments, they are moot. He cannot actually address what we believe.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Check all of his arguments, they are moot. He cannot actually address what we believe.

And I think he knows that which is why he put me on his ignore list. He expects his arguments to go unchallenged and is not prepared to defend them.

 

[Davy]

And I think he knows that which is why he put me on his ignore list. He expects his arguments to go unchallenged and is not prepared to defend them.

Yet another... falsehood, as I've responded with BIBLE SCRIPTURE PROOF to you MANY TIMES on this forum, to show how deceived you are. By the above statement you only show your intent on PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THIS FORUM. I have reported you.

 

[WPM]

Yet another... falsehood, as I've responded with BIBLE SCRIPTURE PROOF to you MANY TIMES on this forum, to show how deceived you are. By the above statement you only show your intent on PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THIS FORUM. I have reported you.

You do not present "BIBLE SCRIPTURE PROOF." You duck around it.

It is time to admit Premil is an uncorroborated belief.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yet another... falsehood, as I've responded with BIBLE SCRIPTURE PROOF to you MANY TIMES on this forum, to show how deceived you are. By the above statement you only show your intent on PERSONAL ATTACKS ON THIS FORUM.

Interesting how you saw that post even though I was supposedly on your ignore list. LOL.

I have reported you.

LOL. For what? Making you cry because you can't come up with anything to refute my arguments?

 

[Davidpt]

Hello? Have you never read this:

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The judgment will not take place on earth or in heaven. If you think the GWTJ doesn't have Jesus as the judge, then you also must either have not read or are forgetting this verse:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

What makes you think I even think the sheep and goats judgment and the great white throne judgment are the same judgment to begin with? Because I clearly don't. Therefore, per my perspective this point is moot.

Who do you believe the sheep represent in Matthew 25:31-46? Do you believe the following verse is talking about them inheriting the kingdom of God?

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Who the sheep are meaning is easy to figure out. It's the goats, that most, including you, haven't figured out who they represent. And the reason why you haven't figured it out is because you are disregarding the context leading up to that judgment. The context that started all the way back towards the end of ch 24 and continues through verse 30 in ch 25. That context. And what does that context involve? Professed servants of His, profitable and unprofitable. Prove I'm lying about that by showing otherwise. Therefore, the sheep represent His profitable servants, the goats His unprofitable servants. It's really that simple, but because of your doctrinal bias you place your doctrine above context.

 

[WPM]

Who the sheep are meaning is easy to figure out. It's the goats, that most, including you, haven't figured out who they represent. And the reason why you haven't figured it out is because you are disregarding the context leading up to that judgment. The context that started all the way back towards the end of ch 24 and continues through verse 30 in ch 25. That context. And what does that context involve? Professed servants of His, profitable and unprofitable. Prove I'm lying about that by showing otherwise. Therefore, the sheep represent His profitable servants, the goats His unprofitable servants. It's really that simple, but because of your doctrinal bias you place your doctrine above context.

More doctrinal private interpretation from you and zero biblical support. That sums up your position. Your bias Premillennialism is blinding you to the fact that there are only two types of people in this world - saved and lost. You try to invent a third group that are too wicked to be raptured and too righteous to be destroyed that do not exist. Your misinterpretation of one highly-symbolic passage in the most figurative setting in Scripture colors your view of all Scripture.

What happens to the righteous when Jesus appears? What happens to the wicked when He appears? In Matthew 25:33 Christ (the king) sets “the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.” He then sentences them, and eternally separates them. The sheep are the believers, the goats are the unbelievers. Jesus confirms this in this final sentencing of all mankind in Matthew 25:34, 41&46, declaring: “Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world … then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels … and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

The terms “the sheep,” “them on his right hand,” “ye blessed” and “the righteous” are seen to be synonymous in this parable. The wicked on the other hand are simply deemed “the goats,” “them on the left hand” or “ye cursed.” The righteous are seen in Matthew 25:31-45 to “inherit the kingdom” and “life eternal” whereas the wicked are cast “into everlasting fire” and receive “everlasting punishment” (Matthew 25:46). The designations and sentences can only relate to the saved and the unsaved. They could not be clearer. There are no exceptions or other groups additional to these two diametrically opposing groupings.

This is the final separation of the wicked from the redeemed of God. It is the climactic assignment of eternal destinies. All mankind is found embodied in one of these two unique groupings. There are no ‘nearly saved or ‘semi-saved’ people or ‘nearly lost’ or ‘semi-lost’ people on this day. One is either clothed with Christ’s robes of righteousness or eternally saved or he is He is clothed with his own filthy rags of righteousness and eternally lost. No one inherits the kingdom through national identity.

 

[Davidpt]

More doctrinal private interpretation from you and zero biblical support. That sums up your position. Your bias Premillennialism is blinding you to the fact that there are only two types of people in this world - saved and lost. You try to invent a third group that are too wicked to be raptured and too righteous to be destroyed that do not exist. Your misinterpretation of one highly-symbolic passage in the most figurative setting in Scripture colors your view of all Scripture.

What happens to the righteous when Jesus appears? What happens to the wicked when He appears? In Matthew 25:33 Christ (the king) sets “the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.” He then sentences them, and eternally separates them. The sheep are the believers, the goats are the unbelievers. Jesus confirms this in this final sentencing of all mankind in Matthew 25:34, 41&46, declaring: “Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world … then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels … and these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

The terms “the sheep,” “them on his right hand,” “ye blessed” and “the righteous” are seen to be synonymous in this parable. The wicked on the other hand are simply deemed “the goats,” “them on the left hand” or “ye cursed.” The righteous are seen in Matthew 25:31-45 to “inherit the kingdom” and “life eternal” whereas the wicked are cast “into everlasting fire” and receive “everlasting punishment” (Matthew 25:46). The designations and sentences can only relate to the saved and the unsaved. They could not be clearer. There are no exceptions or other groups additional to these two diametrically opposing groupings.

This is the final separation of the wicked from the redeemed of God. It is the climactic assignment of eternal destinies. All mankind is found embodied in one of these two unique groupings. There are no ‘nearly saved or ‘semi-saved’ people or ‘nearly lost’ or ‘semi-lost’ people on this day. One is either clothed with Christ’s robes of righteousness or eternally saved or he is He is clothed with his own filthy rags of righteousness and eternally lost. No one inherits the kingdom through national identity.

When it comes to reading Matthew 25:31-47, do you perhaps have reading comprehension or something? Can you not see that the goats all answer Jesus in the same manner?

Let's take Cain for example. Clearly he would be among the lost.

Matthew 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


Now let's assume Cain is one of these goats present.


Then Cain also answered him, saying, Lord, when saw I thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Do you not comprehend that when Cain lived and walked the earth, Jesus hadn't even been born yet? Why then would Cain be answering Him like that, as if he personally knew of Jesus? Come on, why can't some of you interpret things in context so that it doesn't end up making nonsense of the texts involved? Is that asking too much?

Let's also throw an unrepentant athiest in here, or how about an unrepenant unbelieving Jew? Let's see if that makes sense of the text.

Then the unrepentant athiest also answered him, saying, Lord, when saw I thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?


Then the unrepentant unbelieving Jew also answered him, saying, Lord, when saw I thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Both examples make perfect sense of the text, right? Yea, right.

Let's try one more since we have been striking out here thus far.

Then His unprofitable servant also answered him, saying, Lord, when saw I thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


Wow! What do you know, finally something that makes perfect sense of the text. Since that is the idea, right? To make sense of the text, not nonsense of it instead. You should try it sometime, meaning making sense of the texts involved rather than making them nonsensical instead.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Here's a passage for you to consider, and yet you still won't get it, would be my guess. The reason why I say that is because it would require you having to humble yourself and admit that you have been misinterpreting who the goats are meaning.

Obviously, but probably not to you though, when Jesus said this---Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these---He meant by that someone such as this---a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food