Except Paul was further directed and told what he still had to do beyond the encounter with the Lord.
THE APOSTLES DID NOT ALL PREACH THE SAME GOSPEL
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rebuilder 454
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After salvation.
Doctrine AFTER SALVATION.
YOU have it backwards.
Hyperpauline teaching is doctrine saves.
Which you promote
rebuilder 454
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My point is.
He was not saved under ANY PAULINE DOCTRINE.
Which you have just affirmed.
Which is OPPOSITE Pauline doctrine.
Pauline's claim salvation ONLY THROUGH PAULs doctrine.
THAT IS your message.
rebuilder 454
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The reason you can not answer is because it makes no sense under your poorly presented Pauline false doctrine.
IOW you are mentally centered.
Mentally saved via sentences.
Baptism is a bogey man in your doctrine, and Paul baptized believers.
SMH
Here is the commission Paul received from the Lord Jesus Christ.
So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. But rise and stand on your feet; for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to make you a minister and a witness both of the things which you have seen and of the things which I will yet reveal to you. I will deliver you from the Jewish people, as well as from the Gentiles, to whom I now send you, to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.’
“Therefore, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem, and throughout all the region of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent, turn to God, and do works befitting repentance. Acts 26:15-20
If it doesn’t contain the word repent... it’s not the Gospel.
How about the actual encounter as cited in Acts 9? This is what I was referring to. So, even though Saul encountered the Lord and obviously then believed in him, he was told he still had something to do beyond just his belief.
5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
So, what was he subsequently told to do? Read Paul's recount of the encounter in Acts 22, and part of what he was told to do is found in the below.
Acts 22:16
16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Peter preached the death, burial and ressurection on pentecost in Acts 2:30-32,
- therefore being a prophet and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that the fruit of his loins according to the flesh he would raise up Christ to sit on His throne
- he seeing this before spake of the RESSURECTION OF CHRIST that His soul was not left in hades neither did His flesh see corruption, This Jesus hath GOD RAISED UP, whereof we were all witnesses
To claim Peter did not preach the death, burial and ressurection of Christ is evidence of not knowing the Scrptures.
amigo de christo
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look he also did it in the house of cornelious too . THEY all preached the SAME gospel my friend . As i am sure you know that .
amigo de christo
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Interfaith will destroy them all . No man can stand before GOD on judgment day
without the mercy of HIS grace which is given to those in Christ Jesus .
If a man thinks his religoin , his works , his so called love can save him he has decieved himself .
If a man believes He can stand before GOD and offer up his own works as a bargaining chip before God
that man is blind to the standards of a HOLY RIGHTEOUS GOD
and blind He is to the depravity of his own self that falls far short of the GLORY of GOD .
interfaith a fools gospel and its love will save none . WE SHOULD HAVE PREACHED JESUS to them ,
not told them we all serving the same GOD . the blood of many will be upon much of even christendom who
wallked these religoins and themselves right to damnation . GOD provided the world a lamb , and I SUGGEST we preach
ONLY HIS NAME , JESUS THE CHRIST , and the dire need to beleive on HIM to all .
without the mercy of HIS grace which is given to those in Christ Jesus .
If a man thinks his religoin , his works , his so called love can save him he has decieved himself .
If a man believes He can stand before GOD and offer up his own works as a bargaining chip before God
that man is blind to the standards of a HOLY RIGHTEOUS GOD
and blind He is to the depravity of his own self that falls far short of the GLORY of GOD .
interfaith a fools gospel and its love will save none . WE SHOULD HAVE PREACHED JESUS to them ,
not told them we all serving the same GOD . the blood of many will be upon much of even christendom who
wallked these religoins and themselves right to damnation . GOD provided the world a lamb , and I SUGGEST we preach
ONLY HIS NAME , JESUS THE CHRIST , and the dire need to beleive on HIM to all .
Lambano
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"The Gospel" is just good news about Jesus Christ. All the apostles preached good news about Messiah. We're not saved by believing good news; we're saved through trust in Jesus Christ. The Good News is just reasons WHY we should trust Jesus.
Let's not conflate trust IN Jesus Christ with belief in a doctrine ABOUT Jesus Christ.
Let's not conflate trust IN Jesus Christ with belief in a doctrine ABOUT Jesus Christ.
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[Acts 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
After Christ rose Peter and the twelve did preach the resurrection; however Peter preached that Christ rose to sit on David's throne in the kingdom on earth not the resurrection for our justification unto eternal life as Paul.
The prophets spoke of Christ's death burial and resurrection for Israel's transgressions (Isaiah 53:12).
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Peter preached not cross but water baptism for the remission of sins.
[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Christ taught his blood for many,,,,many being Israel (Hebrews 9:15).
[Act 10:43 KJV] 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Peter preached not the cross but his name (John 20:31)
What does that mean, "good news about Jesus Christ"? What is the good news?? The good news is that through him mankind can be foregiven and redeemed, and that men's souls can be saved by his cleansing blood that was shed for all that believed in him and are obedient to the good news meaning get must confess their belief as the Ethiopian eunuch did in Acts 8, repent, as the jews did in Acts 2, and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, also per Acts 2:38, and by doing so, you are added to the body of believers which use the church, and have the promise of eternal life. That's the gospel message, the "good news".
[Jhn 3:16 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yes I place my faith in Christ Jesus for forgiveness of sin and eternal life
This is a wonderful verse but not what I would use to evangelize
The problem is there is nothing about the cross here....that had not yet been revealed by Paul
[Jhn 3:18 KJV] 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
This verse does not teach the cross but rather only to believe in his name
Israel had to believe on his name....that he is Christ the Son of God (John 20:31)
Yes this is the good news,,,,,,,,,the rest you wrote was good news for Israel not us
[Mat 3:1-2, 6 KJV] 1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. ... 6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Israel had to confess their sins to be cleansed to enter the prophetic kingdom on earth which is the kingdom of heaven
[Mat 10:32 KJV] 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Jesus had to be confessed by Israel
[Jhn 9:22 KJV] 22 These [words] spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.
Those who had to confess Christ were the Jews....they were the ones who faced being put out of the synagogue
[Mat 3:2 KJV] 2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Israel had to repent and believe the gospel of the kingdom....the coming kingdom on earth (Matthew 4:23)
[Luk 24:47 KJV] 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Israel had to repent and believe in the name of Jesus
[Act 2:36 KJV] 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Israel had to repent of crucifying their Lord and Christ
[Act 2:38 KJV] 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Peter preached water baptism to Israel to forgive sins
Paul preaches our gospel that we have forgiveness of sins and eternal life by the redemption in Christ that he died for our sins was buried and rose for our justification
We are added to the church the body of Christ not the church in Acts 2
You are very, very, wrong and mislead. There was and is only one gospel message and it is applicable to, and meant for all.
Gal1:8-9
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
