Believing on Christ is a evidence of being born again !

[brightfame52]

Believing on Christ could be evidence of being born again.
They do not equate.

John 12:42,
- Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Jesus,
But because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue

Yes it does equate, man by nature cant believe in Jesus, because they are spiritually dead. Jn 12 42 doesnt change that fact

 

[brightfame52]

Who are the elect of God?

Those that know of God and accept Him into their lives and obey Him.

Hebrews 11:6
6And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

From the above we learn:

1. Man is able to come to God.
2. Man is able to seek God.
3. Faith pleases God.


HOW do we get faith?:
Romans 10:17
17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.


Jesus exhorts us to have faith:
Mark 11:22
22And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God.


And Jesus also tells us this:
John 3:16
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Here you go spamming up the thread

 

[Titus]

Yes it does equate, man by nature cant believe in Jesus, because they are spiritually dead. Jn 12 42 doesnt change that fact

Just saying John 12:42 doesnt disprove faith in Christ as proof of salvation proves nothing at all.

 

[brightfame52]

Just saying John 12:42 doesnt disprove faith in Christ as proof of salvation proves nothing at all.

I never said anything about Jn 12:42, what Im saying, believing in Christ is the evidence of salvation, of having been born again.

 

[Titus]

I never said anything about Jn 12:42, what Im saying, believing in Christ is the evidence of salvation, of having been born again.

John 12:42 refutes you.

 

[GodsGrace]

Here you go spamming up the thread

Spamming?

YOU told me to go look up who the elect of God are.
See your post no. 98


I DID.

And the "spam" as you call God's Word is what I found.

Do you have a problem with what I found?
Do you have a different description of who God's elect are?

 

[Ritajanice]

I never said anything about Jn 12:42, what Im saying, believing in Christ is the evidence of salvation, of having been born again.

Amen!!...we are brought to believe in our heart/ spirit..when it becomes Born Again.

How can one believe in Jesus without the testimony of the Holy Spirit.

 

[brightfame52]

John 12:42 refutes you.

No it doesnt, thats your imagination.

 

[brightfame52]

Spamming?

YOU told me to go look up who the elect of God are.
See your post no. 98


I DID.

And the "spam" as you call God's Word is what I found.

Do you have a problem with what I found?
Do you have a different description of who God's elect are?

Yeah spamming, you disrupt every thread to argue election, calvinism

 

[GodsGrace]

Yeah spamming, you disrupt every thread to argue election, calvinism

Bright
That's WHY you're here!

You're a Calvinist come here to spread Calvinism.

I'm here to discuss this with you.

You should try to be a nice person...
You're being a bad example of Calvinists.

 

[Ritajanice]

@brightfame52 you are here the same as me to spread the word of God!!.

 

[IronMaiden]

Many in religion these days have things backwards, they suppose that men can perform a spiritual act from a spiritually dead heart. Yes men naturally born of adam are born spiritually dead. Thats why Jesus told nicodemus a man must be born again or he cannot see the kingdom of God, Christ and Him Crucified. The word see Jn 3:3

Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. is the greek word eidō and means:

to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive

This certainly agrees with Pauls wisdom here 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know[understand] them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But once God Sovereignly gives a vessel of mercy a new birth by the Spirit, they are now capacitated Spiritually to believe Spiritually on Christ, hence Jesus says that those who did receive Him, even believe on His Name, did so because they had been born of God Jn 1:12-13

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.


So the ones believing had been previously born of God, this testimony of truth cannot be more clearer !

Yes, I too believe that a person must believe in order to be born again.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (NKJV) 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[brightfame52]

Bright
That's WHY you're here!

You're a Calvinist come here to spread Calvinism.

I'm here to discuss this with you.

You should try to be a nice person...
You're being a bad example of Calvinists.

You are a spammer, you follow me around and harras me every chance you get, you have done this for a couple of years now, if not more

 

[brightfame52]

@LatterRain

Yes, I too believe that a person must believe in order to be born again.

Then we dont agree, one must be born again in order to believe in Jesus

 

[Ritajanice]

@LatterRain



Then we dont agree, one must be born again in order to believe in Jesus

Amen!...one knows Jesus in the heart/ spirit...not by reading doctrine, the word confirms this.

We need the Living testimony of God when = Spirit gives birth to spirit.

We believe after we have been Born Again....we know God in our spirit.

How can anyone believe in Jesus without being Born Again first...they can’t.

 

[IronMaiden]

One thing that’s important to know is that believing in election, which I very much do, does not mean believing in Calvinism, which I very much don’t. There was a time before the foundation of the world and God had a very good foreknowledge of us all back then. He knew Jeremiah well way back then. Why was Jeremiah chosen? …because he was faithful then?

 

[Titus]

No it doesnt, thats your imagination.

Give a reason instead of empty claims.

 

[DJT_47]

Not saying you're wrong DJT...just trying to clarify.
Believing in God IS necessary.

What else would you say is needed?

Belief is 1st and foremost as is faith
Repentance is required (Acts 2:38)
Confession of your belief (ref. The Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, and Rom 10:8-10)
Baptism, water immersion, for remission is sins (Acts 2:38)

 

[brightfame52]

Give a reason instead of empty claims.

That doesnt make sense

 

[brightfame52]

One thing that’s important to know is that believing in election, which I very much do, does not mean believing in Calvinism, which I very much don’t. There was a time before the foundation of the world and God had a very good foreknowledge of us all back then. He knew Jeremiah well way back then. Why was Jeremiah chosen? …because he was faithful then?

So he was faithful b4 he existed ?