Is freewill real or just something we invented it ?
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Angels have freewill, even though we do not like Lucifer and he who he is, is why. Proves freewill existed in heaven but rememebr their freewill in rebellion but freewill with God perfect. God created the concept of freewill and he has freewill perfect. In heaven there is freewill where it originated we use it all of us.
Do anegls have something else we don't to use freewill ? Are angels robots ? There is more to what the bile says about angels and their freewill.
It comes to God's way and everything happens for a reasona dn God's plan is for us to be like Jesus and love the answer to god's secrets in freewill can be found and know what the angels did and angels can have freewill.
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Grailhunter
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Some times the absurd gains relevance only because it boggles the mind how ignorant it can be.
Both the Old and New Testament shows that free-will and choice is part of the story. Both angels and men have the ability to choose, and at times that is problematic. In the New Testament the Apostles worked at spreading the Gospel so people could choose salvation. They also gave warnings about not choosing and choosing sinning.
There is nothing in the scriptures that is about the robots of Christ.
And a God that would enslave humanity and deny free-will would be the definition of a monster. It would make a good sci-fi movie. The invasion of the Puppet Master.....
God controls by allowing free-will to play out.
Now Satan....he would like to be a puppet master......because that would denote his character.....but that is not the character of God. If Satan had a influence over the world it would full of sin and evil... OOOPS! It is full of evil, but that is not God's will. If God was controlling things even a little bit, He could come up with a better plan.
God so loved the world that He enslaved them! LOL
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son....so we would have a choice. He did not send His Son to enslave us.
The concept that God has made all reality a puppet show is evil....sacrilegious against God denoting His character as evil.
The question is how evil is this belief?
The question is how evil are those that preach it?
Evil enough that you should distance yourself from them. Christ had a good one....Get behind me Satan!
Christians should have no part of evil and should have nothing to do with these people that preach that God is a monstrous enslaver or puppet master. Reject them at every turn. Give evil no tolerance, no mercy, and no quarter.
Both the Old and New Testament shows that free-will and choice is part of the story. Both angels and men have the ability to choose, and at times that is problematic. In the New Testament the Apostles worked at spreading the Gospel so people could choose salvation. They also gave warnings about not choosing and choosing sinning.
There is nothing in the scriptures that is about the robots of Christ.
And a God that would enslave humanity and deny free-will would be the definition of a monster. It would make a good sci-fi movie. The invasion of the Puppet Master.....
God controls by allowing free-will to play out.
Now Satan....he would like to be a puppet master......because that would denote his character.....but that is not the character of God. If Satan had a influence over the world it would full of sin and evil... OOOPS! It is full of evil, but that is not God's will. If God was controlling things even a little bit, He could come up with a better plan.
God so loved the world that He enslaved them! LOL
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son....so we would have a choice. He did not send His Son to enslave us.
The concept that God has made all reality a puppet show is evil....sacrilegious against God denoting His character as evil.
The question is how evil is this belief?
The question is how evil are those that preach it?
Evil enough that you should distance yourself from them. Christ had a good one....Get behind me Satan!
Christians should have no part of evil and should have nothing to do with these people that preach that God is a monstrous enslaver or puppet master. Reject them at every turn. Give evil no tolerance, no mercy, and no quarter.
We continue with freewill and lucifer if he had freewill but continuing on what freewill and here something very importnat if we had freewill.
If the word exist in the world there is the word in hebrew.
“Freedom of Choice;” a fundamental belief of the Jewish Religion. “Bechirah” means “choice;” “Chofshit” means “free.” The concept means that the human being is not forced to choose “good” or “evil,” but is free to choose between them. This is, of course, the most fundamental choice of all, the one which the Bible associates with the choice between “life” and “death,” for which the Bible recommends “Choose Life.” Or, as the Talmud teaches “Everything is in the hands of Heaven except the “fear of Heaven.”
The belief in free will (Hebrew: bechirah chofshit בחירה חפשית, bechirah בחירה) is axiomatic in Jewish thought, and is closely linked with the concept of reward and punishment, based on the Torah itself: "I [God] have set before you life and death, blessing and curse: therefore choose life" (Deuteronomy 30:19).
Free will is therefore discussed at length in Jewish philosophy, firstly as regards God's purpose in creation, and secondly as regards the closely related, resultant, paradox. The topic is also often discussed in connection with negative theology, divine simplicity and divine providence, as well as Jewish principles of faith in general.
God does give us a choice limited but we have limited freewill.
Also the word לִבְחוֹר
livkhór is ( To choose )
together with this word
חֵרוּת
( Freedom ) another word.
Freewill did existed and in Deutronomy 30:19 God did give a choice two but still he did. And life is a good choice a great choice. Is their more of freewill in Judaism ? Yes, there is more and more to come. The best is yet to come !
If the word exist in the world there is the word in hebrew.
“Freedom of Choice;” a fundamental belief of the Jewish Religion. “Bechirah” means “choice;” “Chofshit” means “free.” The concept means that the human being is not forced to choose “good” or “evil,” but is free to choose between them. This is, of course, the most fundamental choice of all, the one which the Bible associates with the choice between “life” and “death,” for which the Bible recommends “Choose Life.” Or, as the Talmud teaches “Everything is in the hands of Heaven except the “fear of Heaven.”
The belief in free will (Hebrew: bechirah chofshit בחירה חפשית, bechirah בחירה) is axiomatic in Jewish thought, and is closely linked with the concept of reward and punishment, based on the Torah itself: "I [God] have set before you life and death, blessing and curse: therefore choose life" (Deuteronomy 30:19).
Free will is therefore discussed at length in Jewish philosophy, firstly as regards God's purpose in creation, and secondly as regards the closely related, resultant, paradox. The topic is also often discussed in connection with negative theology, divine simplicity and divine providence, as well as Jewish principles of faith in general.
God does give us a choice limited but we have limited freewill.
Also the word לִבְחוֹר
livkhór is ( To choose )
together with this word
חֵרוּת
( Freedom ) another word.
Freewill did existed and in Deutronomy 30:19 God did give a choice two but still he did. And life is a good choice a great choice. Is their more of freewill in Judaism ? Yes, there is more and more to come. The best is yet to come !
Thinking man has free will impacts God's sovereignty and divine will.
God tells us,we plan our way but it is God who sets our steps.
God tells us,we plan our way but it is God who sets our steps.
ScottA
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We consider what is described as freewill in the way we experience life...because it is there/here that we see the result of our will.
But that speaks more of the cause than the result--which cause was "before the foundation of the world." Therefore it is correct to say that the Lamb was "slain before the foundation of the world" (in past tense).
Our freewill--as it is with all the world, was and is made manifest (after the fact)...as a revealing of what "was" as evidence for or against us all before the Judgement.
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That's what scripture tells us.
We plan out our lives but God puts us where He wants us.
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Everything in the bible is part of our freewill that the people wrote it and God gave it to them. They can choose and choose life ! Hard things but in the end happy ending. If you put your freewill in his hands and trust in God. Unfortunately hard to do for we are small humans and we make mistakes and what God does in this world is too much. We are not the same as God but he tell us he will move our lives, he can do it all and in the most unexpetced way change everyting make it easy one day and make it hard the other way.
He can do it all and make you see that he will give us the path to do his plan but we must sacrifice and pass tests. And some test are too hard but he does promise in the end their will be blessings and salvation. It is hard beloved but God is right we do know God is God. He made this universe and he is above us. Don't worry remember he does not put a burden too heavy for us. He does make it easy for us in the beggining but when you ask for God for more work or you want to do his will don't go too far he makes it simple for us just to baptized and be his witness. Don't go over your head here you can be baptized and be saved simple.
Some of you want to go over the other mile and want to go ahead go and be pastor and get 100,000 baptized go ahead. I like that and I know pastors who have dedicated their lives to all that and they achieve it. Just remember try do it little by little. And if it is too hard ask God for help but if you ask for it he will move the whole world and universe make you better servant your not worthy beloved and remember you ask for it. So if you prayed to save some people and you pray for something and you know it was too much. You ask for it -_- don't come whine when the good works have been giving to you got that ! ( looking a strongly arnold scwarzhenegger look at you all ) He gave you good things and be thankful. Be thankful really it could of been worst and things would of been ten times worst.
So guys be thankful and put things in God's hand pray,pray, and pray to him. He gave so much and he still giving to us. And all of us don't deserve it. We could of had food prices raised this year and God change it all for a reason and it is not worst for us. We could of had tornadoes and storms and we have good things people so be pelase be grateful all you want to do is complain to God like your an equal your not ! -_- your just humans who are unworthy of a magnificent God. He is really good. And prices are high people but it could of been worst. If the elites would of had their way George Soros and the rich we would of been out of our houses now the whole country and no jobs for the nation. Guess what ! Their are still jobs and still ways you can survive. Their is no World war where all lost everything and the men aren't thrown to world war 3 we have push world war 3 for another 30 yrs. You'll see people we have survive and could of been worst and all we need to do survive is do his plan and it is simple. Love is his plan people ;D.
He can do it all and make you see that he will give us the path to do his plan but we must sacrifice and pass tests. And some test are too hard but he does promise in the end their will be blessings and salvation. It is hard beloved but God is right we do know God is God. He made this universe and he is above us. Don't worry remember he does not put a burden too heavy for us. He does make it easy for us in the beggining but when you ask for God for more work or you want to do his will don't go too far he makes it simple for us just to baptized and be his witness. Don't go over your head here you can be baptized and be saved simple.
Some of you want to go over the other mile and want to go ahead go and be pastor and get 100,000 baptized go ahead. I like that and I know pastors who have dedicated their lives to all that and they achieve it. Just remember try do it little by little. And if it is too hard ask God for help but if you ask for it he will move the whole world and universe make you better servant your not worthy beloved and remember you ask for it. So if you prayed to save some people and you pray for something and you know it was too much. You ask for it -_- don't come whine when the good works have been giving to you got that ! ( looking a strongly arnold scwarzhenegger look at you all ) He gave you good things and be thankful. Be thankful really it could of been worst and things would of been ten times worst.
So guys be thankful and put things in God's hand pray,pray, and pray to him. He gave so much and he still giving to us. And all of us don't deserve it. We could of had food prices raised this year and God change it all for a reason and it is not worst for us. We could of had tornadoes and storms and we have good things people so be pelase be grateful all you want to do is complain to God like your an equal your not ! -_- your just humans who are unworthy of a magnificent God. He is really good. And prices are high people but it could of been worst. If the elites would of had their way George Soros and the rich we would of been out of our houses now the whole country and no jobs for the nation. Guess what ! Their are still jobs and still ways you can survive. Their is no World war where all lost everything and the men aren't thrown to world war 3 we have push world war 3 for another 30 yrs. You'll see people we have survive and could of been worst and all we need to do survive is do his plan and it is simple. Love is his plan people ;D.
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This is paradox ? We are slaves but their are two forms we can analyze this. One we are slaves and the lord says in the bible we stop been slaves and become friends. the other is that we are slaves and we can choose to be free once we complete the deal that has establish in the old system of slavery judaism establish. If you look at exodus and other books there rules in it and say a parent can put a child as a slave daughters and sons I don't like but it is that their are slaves system that exist and you must pass 7 yrs and you are giving freedom thru the law. Going back and bringing the verses later but we have freedom no the question is that their slavery in that we carnal slaves and their is spiritual slavery.
The Bible verse that mentions the elect and God's will is Matthew 24:22. The verse states, "And unless those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days shall be shortened".
Explanation
The "elect" are those who God has chosen for salvation. The word "elect" means "deciding ahead of time" or "ordaining".
The concept of God electing those who will be saved is also found in: John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, and Ephesians 1:4-5.
Explanation
The "elect" are those who God has chosen for salvation. The word "elect" means "deciding ahead of time" or "ordaining".
The concept of God electing those who will be saved is also found in: John 6:44, Romans 8:28-30, and Ephesians 1:4-5.
The question is that when we are in the world that before we baptized we are slaves but modern people don't see it that way they are not becuase slavery has been done and abolished. They don't have to look for freedom and what the bible says it is outdated and we don't need to go thru sufferment. Their are christians who say the law has been done away and since we are christians the law is not applied to us and we can do what we want.
They say faith is not what you don't with it but what you with and live like you want. Liberal christians with modern views but guess what you can't break the law and do whatever you want. Cause and effect exist.
They say faith is not what you don't with it but what you with and live like you want. Liberal christians with modern views but guess what you can't break the law and do whatever you want. Cause and effect exist.
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Cool. I usually only Debate Free Will if Some people say our Will is %100 Free, or our Will is %100 Bound. What's wrong with believing our Will is Free a little, and Bound a little? That's the truth; no Paradox...
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