Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Magdala]

Sorry you have not posted scripture...I don’t understand your words above with respect, they make no sense..please post scripture.thanks.

The scriptural verses are Jn. 1:1 and Jn.1:14 that I cited:

Scripture says that the Word is God. (Jn. 1:1)
Scripture says that Jesus is the Word in the flesh. (Jn. 1:14)"

Since John said that the Word is God, and that Jesus is the Word in the flesh, how can you disagree with that?

 

[Ritajanice]

John wrote that the Word is God (Jn. 1:1). The Word existed in Heaven before He descended from Heaven by becoming incarnate in the Virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit and named Jesus.

Jesus is not God, he is Gods Son...I have explained this to ProDeo..please read my post.

Jesus came from the word/ seed of God...he did not exist as Jesus in heaven, he had to grow in Mary’s womb to become human .....he had to die and be resurrected, for him to to enter back into heaven , his glorified body entered heaven after his death and resurrection...he is seated with his Father God now in heaven.

 

[Ritajanice]

The scriptural verses are Jn. 1:1 and Jn.1:14 that I cited:

"Scripture says that the Word is God. (Jn. 1:1)
Scripture says that Jesus is the Word in the flesh. (Jn. 1:14)"

Since John wrote that the Word is God, and that Jesus is the Word in the flesh, how can you disagree with that?

I have answered your questions...still no sign of you answering mine?

Jesus was not fully God in the flesh....God is a Living Spirit that cant be contained...

Jesus was/ is the Son Of God.

Why are you evading my questions?

The word was with God from the beginning, that doesn’t make the word God....Jesus was God’s spokesperson, part divine ....not fully God....

Jesus human body died on a cross...so how could he have been fully God @LuxMundi ?

God can’t ever die...Jesus human body was crucified and died?

 

[Magdala]

Jesus is not God, he is Gods Son...I have explained this to ProDeo..please read my post.

Jesus came from the word/ seed of God...he did not exist as Jesus in heaven, he had to grow in Mary’s womb to become human .....he had to die and be resurrected, for him to to enter back into heaven , his glorified body entered heaven after his death and resurrection...he is seated with his Father God now in heaven.

Jesus is the Word.

John said that the Word is God (Jn. 1:1), and that the Word became flesh and dwelt among them (Jn. 1:14).

 

[Magdala]

Jesus is not God, he is Gods Son...

Jesus referring to Himself as the "Son of God' is just another way of calling Himself God.

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus is the Word.

John wrote that the Word is God (Jn. 1:1), and that the Word became human and dwelt among them (Jn. 1:14).

Jesus is not fully God, if he was, then he couldn’t have been crucified and died...

Jesus died on a cross...he was resurrected with a glorified body...his human body died....therefore couldn’t possibly have been fully God.

I am now going to end this here....I don’t agree with your understanding/ interpretation of scripture....the trinity will always remain a mystery imo.

Feel free to go round in circles, my last post to you....I have shared what I believe so far and won’t be moved from it, unless I get divine heart revelation..my mind is very much open to the Spirit, who gives me understanding to his word......good day...

A discussion is a two way process..your discussion has been one way,” your way”...which is not a discussion...sadly your mind is closed...as you only wanted to discuss your way...no questions of mine answered, as I was just trying to get an understanding of where you are coming from....

 

[Magdala]

The word was with God from the beginning, that doesn’t make the word God....

John said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (Jn. 1:1). Then, he said, "The Word flesh became and dwelt among us" (Jn. 1:14). What was the name given to the Word (God) made human? "Jesus".

 

[Magdala]

Jesus is not fully God, if he was, then he couldn’t have been crucified and died...

Jesus is the Word (God) that became human. The part of God, that is the Word, became human so as to die, and thus God did die and resurrect while His other two parts: the Father and the Holy Spirit remained and operated and operate invisibly and incorporeally.

 

[Ritajanice]

John wrote, "In the beginning the was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (Jn. 1:1). Then, he wrote "The Word became flesh (human) and dwelt among us" (Jn. 1:14). What the was name given to the Word (God) made flesh (human)? Jesus.

Your mind is closed and you aren’t listening...there is no point in discussing with a one track / tunnel vision mind.....ask the Lord to open your heart and mind...I’ve been where you are....it’s impossible to grow in spiritual knowledge if we are determined to believe that our way is the only way.....your constant repeating of posts is not helping you....forcing a person to believe what you believe..is certainly not from God.

Gods in control...good bye...i will leave him to deal with you...I’m out of the discussion with you..

 

[ProDeo]

What do you mean before he descended from Heaven?

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
John 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.

Mary got pregnant by the word/ seed of God.

Jesus grew in her womb from God’s word/ seed...he didn’t descend from heaven fully formed as Jesus....the Living seed that got Mary pregnant had to grow in her womb...he was born a baby , a special partly divine baby, his name was Jesus.

As both texts states there is more than that, an existing Being one with the Father descended from Heaven and became flesh, God the Son incarnated as a human, fully God, fully human.

It's mind blowing and for many people this is a big obstacle because they want to understand what can't be understood and as a result ends in rejection.

 

[Ritajanice]

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
John 8:23 He said to them, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.


As both texts states there is more than that, an existing Being one with the Father descended from Heaven and became flesh, God the Son incarnated as a human, fully God, fully human.

An existing being one with the Father descended from heaven....ok, well if that’s what you believe, then who am I to argue with your opinion..

I just don’t agree with it..and you still haven’t addressed ...the fact that Jesus died on a cross ...if he had been fully God, Then it would have been impossible for him to die..

It's mind blowing and for many people this is a big obstacle because they want to understand what can't be understood and as a result ends in rejection.

It’s not mind blowing to me....it’s nonsensical to my spirit...

Jesus was raised a glorified Spirit body after his death and resurrection...by the power of God, not by his own power, ....he was then taken up into heaven by his Father and sits on the throne with him...

His human body died , therefore once again, could not have possibly been fully God..

 

[Magdala]

Your mind is closed and you aren’t listening...there is no point in discussing with a one track / tunnel vision mind.....ask the Lord to open your heart and mind...I’ve been where you are....it’s impossible to grow in spiritual knowledge if we are determined to believe that our way is the only way.....your constant repeating of posts is not helping you....forcing a person to believe what you believe..is certainly not from God.

Gods in control...good bye...i will leave him to deal with you...I’m out of the discussion with you..

My repeating myself isn't forcing you to do anything. I had to repeat myself because you said things that made me have to.

John said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (Jn. 1:1). Then, he said, "The Word flesh became and dwelt among us" (Jn. 1:14). What was the name given to the Word (God) made human? "Jesus".

You may not understand it right now, but that's what Scripture says, and there's people who are trying to help you understand it, but if you keep bowing out of the discussion like this, then you're not allowing yourself to come to understand it.

 

[Ritajanice]

My repeating myself is not forcing you to do anything. I had to repeat myself because you said things that made me have to.

John wrote, "In the beginning the was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (Jn. 1:1). Then, he wrote "The Word became flesh (human) and dwelt among us" (Jn. 1:14). What was the name given to the Word (God) made flesh (human)? Jesus.

You may not understand it, but that's what Scripture says, and there's people who are trying to help you understand it, but if you keep bowing out the discussion like this how are you allowing yourself to understand it?

You my friend have no understanding of spiritual matters whatsoever, that’s why I’m bowing out, your spiritual growth with respect, seems either stunted or non existence....you have answered none of my questions.

If any one needs helping, it’s you....all you have done is post snippets of scripture, then put your own spin/ interpretation of said scripture..

You have addressed no questions...just evasion...if Jesus had been fully God then how could he have died on a cross...now for a change , answer that?

There is also nowhere in Scripture that says Jesus was God...not one verse...if Jesus was God, then it would be written...it’s not.

 

[Ritajanice]

My repeating myself is not forcing you to do anything. I had to repeat myself because you said things that made me have to.

I made you have to repeat yourself.

I think not....you have constantly repeated yourself of your own freewill/ choice.

Trying to get your message across, by repeating yourself constantly that Jesus is God....I have made you do nothing....

You are in control of yourself, don’t try and blame me for your repeated actions on here...because I don’t believe as you do..that Jesus is God.i don’t..

If you persist in pushing your belief onto me, then you may find that the thread will be closed...as you are constantly going round in circles, which is unedifying and unfruitful for the forum....now this time it really is good day...

 

[Magdala]

all you have done is post snippets of scripture, then put your own spin/interpretation of said scripture..

I'm not putting my own spin on anything. Open Scripture to Jn. 1:1 and Jn. 1:14 and see for yourself:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"The Word flesh became, and dwelt among us."

What was the name given to the Word (God) that became human? "Jesus".

You may not understand it right now, but that's what Scripture says, and there's people who are trying to help you understand it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course it has nothing to do with anything, “ according to you” I can live with that...I’m here to represent Jesus,I’m not here to make sense to you.........by the way, under my avatar, check it out , Praise God for his wonderful Living testimony, bringing us to the truth of God, in our heart/ spirit...

A Born Again Christian....a 100% Christ follower....for the past 33 yrs....but, only because I know in my spirit that it’s Born Again and I belong to God.in the world not of the world....

Especially for you @GodsGrace

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Nice poster RJ.
IF you believe what you just posted...
then you should reject all calvinist teachings that are espoused by you on these threads.
Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not putting my own spin on anything. Open Scripture to Jn. 1:1 and Jn. 1:14 and see for yourself:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." "The Word became flesh, and lived among us."

What was the name given to the Word (God) made flesh (human)? Jesus.

You may not understand it right now, but that's what Scripture says, and there's people who are trying to help you understand it.

Lux....it may not help much but let me tell you something I learned from posting on Christian forums...
It's a good thing to do.
You may not have any impact on any one particular member you may be posting to...
BUT
There are plenty out there reading what you wrote that you don't even know about.
So keep up the good work and post for THEM.

And welcome to the forum.

 

[Ritajanice]

@Wrangler ....if Jesus had been fully God, then he couldn’t have possibly died on that cross...Jesus died...no one so far ( trinitarian) have addressed my question...

Jesus dying on the cross is another reason why he couldn’t have been fully God..I seem to be getting more heart revelation over the matter...I’m still not 100% understanding the trinity....yet I’m swaying more to being a non trinitarian...it does get confusing at times...I’m still staying open...but, someone has got some serious explaining to do about Jesus dying on that cross...as they say ( trinitarians) that he was fully divine, fully God...yet he died ...

 

[Magdala]

Lux....it may not help much but let me tell you something I learned from posting on Christian forums...
It's a good thing to do.
You may not have any impact on any one particular member you may be posting to...
BUT
There are plenty out there reading what you wrote that you don't even know about.
So keep up the good work and post for THEM.

And welcome to the forum.

It does help, thank you for the reminder and the welcome.

 

[Ritajanice]

Nice poster RJ.
IF you believe what you just posted...
then you should reject all calvinist teachings that are espoused by you on these threads.
Thanks.

The Holy Spirit is my teacher,/ helper. never read a Calvin book in my life.

I guess he must have been led by the Holy Spirit also...if he believed what I believe...comes by divine heart revelation...Praise God and will continue to post whatever the Spirit places on my heart to post..the Spirit is in control not me...happy posting.

What ever the Spirit places on my heart to post...without question it will be posted...wether you believe it screams John Calvin or not...you have no authority over my spirit..or postings..I’m under the authority and influence of the Living Holy Spirit...I know nothing without him.... @GodsGrace .