Everyone will receive a Mark, whose mark is the question.

[CTK]

I think it's a mistake to convert all of this into all things Papacy. That's the big enemy in your denomination but the RCC et al is just a shadow of what the beast will be. I think the mark controls buying and selling, meaning how one earns money and how one spends money. I don't believe that is "buying and selling" spiritual and social privileges.

Thanks for your thoughts. I understand your comments and also am aware that most folks believe in an “anti-Christ” who will come in the future but for me, there is no “anti-Christ” literal person but a real, literal little horn who has placed himself on the same level as God.

I don’t know why you would make a comment about my denomination - I can assure you that no denomination agrees with me beliefs- Sabbath, little horn, Daniel, Revelation… none.

 

[amigo de christo]

Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

So there will be...

his name
the number of his name
the mark of his name

Since we are told to "count" the number of the beast, it seems that each letter of his name will have a corresponding numerical value.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The mark of his name would not just be a mark - but a mark that reveals the beast name, maybe ? Or does it mean...
so-n-so's mark ?

The mark could be the first letter of the beast's name - like "Z" for Zorro was in the film.

Hey doug what if i told you a massively huge message of anti christ has been sold unto the world and even within Christendom itself .
The interfaith all inclusive Christ denying lie .
Now what if i told you this came from the seat of a harlot who sits high over this world and has influenced
both its kings , peoples and religoins and much of even christendom to buy this lie it calleth love and claims is of GOD .
What if i told you the number of the name and of the seat by which this entity sits
as it brings its ecumincal interfaith lie to the world , adds up to Six hundred three score and six .
And what if i told you that many even within christendom sure seem to buy this prophet and his prophets
who may appear to have horns as a lamb yet speak as do a dragon .
And what would you say if i were to tell you that those who buy into this anti christ lie
have been led to beleive this very message will bring them PEACE N SAFETY , peace in the middle east .
PADNAH we might very well be MUCH farther along than most folks realize .
We got us wolves in wool under the influence of the king wolf in wool and they do its bidding
to bring what they beleive will give them PEACE N SAFETY .
And now a word . For when they shall say Peace n safety , CRASH BANG , SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them all
and they will not escape . We really need to get again back into our own bible and start learning things real fast .
Cause a mountain of decievers are within christendom and they do merge this people
and all other FALSE religoins to be as one and to find common ground . THIS IS not about too bode well
for those who sipped of that CUP which that WHORE pours out unto them to drink . Her cup of FORNICATION .

 

[Douggg]

Hey doug what if i told you a massively huge message of anti christ has been sold unto the world and even within Christendom itself .
The interfaith all inclusive Christ denying lie .
Now what if i told you this came from the seat of a harlot who sits high over this world and has influenced
both its kings , peoples and religoins and much of even christendom to buy this lie it calleth love and claims is of GOD .
What if i told you the number of the name and of the seat by which this entity sits
as it brings its ecumincal interfaith lie to the world , adds up to Six hundred three score and six .
And what if i told you that many even within christendom sure seem to buy this prophet and his prophets
who may appear to have horns as a lamb yet speak as do a dragon .
And what would you say if i were to tell you that those who buy into this anti christ lie
have been led to beleive this very message will bring them PEACE N SAFETY , peace in the middle east .
PADNAH we might very well be MUCH farther along than most folks realize .
We got us wolves in wool under the influence of the king wolf in wool and they do its bidding
to bring what they beleive will give them PEACE N SAFETY .
And now a word . For when they shall say Peace n safety , CRASH BANG , SUDDEN destruction cometh upon them all
and they will not escape . We really need to get again back into our own bible and start learning things real fast .
Cause a mountain of decievers are within christendom and they do merge this people
and all other FALSE religoins to be as one and to find common ground . THIS IS not about too bode well
for those who sipped of that CUP which that WHORE pours out unto them to drink . Her cup of FORNICATION .

I do believe that the harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican.

But I don't believe that the papacy/pope is the Antichrist. The person who becomes the Antichrist, and later the beast, must be a Jew.

The ten kings that will align themselves with the beast-king in Revelation 17:16 will burn the Vatican to the ground.

 

[amigo de christo]

I do believe that the harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican.

But I don't believe that the papacy/pope is the Antichrist. The person who becomes the Antichrist, and later the beast, must be a Jew.

The ten kings that will align themselves with the beast-king in Revelation 17:16 will burn the Vatican to the ground.

There are many anti christs even as we speak . and , they can be gentile born or jew born .
So as far as it having to have been born a jew . NO guarantee of that .
I do suspect perhaps it could be . But then again doug . Take a good long look at interfaith again .
Even jews , imams , decieved christains are all running to a man , to anyone they think can bring peace and safety to the middle east .
SO as i often tell others , so now i say to you . Its better we go ahead and abandon what men have taught
and rather just go ahead and learn the bible afresh and anew for ourselves .

 

[pepper]

Then all have the mark of the beast, including Jesus and the disciples since they also had money.

Except the prophecy arrived after Jesus ascended. So their money wouldn't qualify.

Jesus' reaction to the money changers is an indicator of the impact of money upon God's people.

Obviously the mark is not money. The mark controls who can buy or sell with their money.

Money is that exactly.

 

[amigo de christo]

Except the prophecy arrived after Jesus ascended. So their money wouldn't qualify.

Jesus' reaction to the money changers is an indicator of the impact of money upon God's people.


Money is that exactly.

close but not quite and thus its far far from the simple truth .
IT is not money that be evil . its the love of money that be evil .
Money controls but only those who love money .
You would marvel at whose love is for money and that even those who often act like they do as they do
not because they love money , DO LIE .
ANY CHURCH that has compromised and adapted to the ever changing views of society
I GUARANTEES they love was money , whether they have little or much . THEY did as they did
in order to keep the peoples in said churches , not to edify them at all , but to keep the pews filled
and the masses popping coin into the coffers . AND THIS IS SEEN MASSIVE in the emergent realm
the all inclusive realm , EVEN THOUGH they often speak against the LOVE OF MONEY .
AND ITS DARN SURE ALL OVER the PROSPERITY GOSPEL evangelical realm . MANY DO as they do
because its become a business to them , a way of having a job
And them hirlings depend on their income , NOT the preaching of the truth whereby the church could have been edified .
WHEN a minstiry , a church , a peoples set up business like salaries , BOY WAS IT DOOMED .
It should have rather lived day by day and did all it did for the sake of the people .
It would have been provided for ...........
but the problem is men dont like living plain , they always want bigger houses , better this and better that .
THEIR LOVE is for earthen cares and pleasures and comforts and boy do they and boy will they compromise
to ensure they get that .

 

[pepper]

close but not quite and thus its far far from the simple truth .
IT is not money that be evil . its the love of money that be evil .
Money controls but only those who love money .
You would marvel at whose love is for money and that even those who often act like they do as they do
not because they love money , DO LIE .
ANY CHURCH that has compromised and adapted to the ever changing views of society
I GUARANTEES they love was money , whether they have little or much . THEY did as they did
in order to keep the peoples in said churches , not to edify them at all , but to keep the pews filled
and the masses popping coin into the coffers . AND THIS IS SEEN MASSIVE in the emergent realm
the all inclusive realm , EVEN THOUGH they often speak against the LOVE OF MONEY .
AND ITS DARN SURE ALL OVER the PROSPERITY GOSPEL evangelical realm . MANY DO as they do
because its become a business to them , a way of having a job
And them hirlings depend on their income , NOT the preaching of the truth whereby the church could have been edified .
WHEN a minstiry , a church , a peoples set up business like salaries , BOY WAS IT DOOMED .
It should have rather lived day by day and did all it did for the sake of the people .
It would have been provided for ...........
but the problem is men dont like living plain , they always want bigger houses , better this and better that .
THEIR LOVE is for earthen cares and pleasures and comforts and boy do they and boy will they compromise
to ensure they get that .

How do you buy or sell now?
Currency exchange.

 

[amigo de christo]

How do you buy or sell now?
Currency exchange.

The same way JESUS did
when he often sent judas to BUY what they had need of . hope that helps friend .
MONEY aint evil , the love of it IS .

 

[amigo de christo]

How do you buy or sell now?
Currency exchange.

You do realize they had a money bag . NOW SURE JUDAS was a theif and often kept things put in .
But they USED MONEY friend to BUY what they had need of my friend . Not always though
cause JESUS FED the people with one coin . However they often did use money to help the poor
and to buy things they had need of .
ITS WHY even the apostels thought that when JUDAS was sent by JESUS to go do what he had to do
That perhaps what JESUS meant was go buy something we have need of .
better beware even the jewish movments , THEY TOO have been infiltrated by the wrong men friend .
YOU cannot condmen a man because he works , makes money and then uses said money to buy what he needs .
ITS THE LOVE OF MONEY that is evil , not money .

 

[pepper]

You do realize they had a money bag . NOW SURE JUDAS was a theif and often kept things put in .
But they USED MONEY friend to BUY what they had need of my friend . Not always though
cause JESUS FED the people with one coin . However they often did use money to help the poor
and to buy things they had need of .
ITS WHY even the apostels thought that when JUDAS was sent by JESUS to go do what he had to do
That perhaps what JESUS meant was go buy something we have need of .
better the jewish movments , THEY TOO have been infiltrated by the wrong men friend .
YOU cannot condmen a man because he works , makes money and then uses said money to buy what he needs .
ITS THE LOVE OF MONEY that is evil , not money .

You ignore the mark prophecy is post Jesus and the Apostles.

 

[pepper]

The same way JESUS did
when he often sent judas to BUY what they had need of . hope that helps friend .
MONEY aint evil , the love of it IS .

No one said money is evil.
You're ignoring scripture and timelines .

 

[amigo de christo]

You ignore the mark prophecy is post Jesus and the Apostles.

As though when JESUS and the apostels did it , it was okay
BUT NOW TODAY if we do as they did somehow we have the mark .
Let me guess should it be gold we invest in . YET ANOTHER FORM OF MONEY .
People are getting duped real bad .
THE DIGITAL SYSTEM IS and WILL BE USED OF ANTI CHRIST .
TO SHUT DOWN any and all WHO DID NOT CONFORM . IT Will be they who are UNABLE TO BUY or sell .
but the money was not evil , the conforming to the beast IS , the love of money IS
conforming to the world in order to survive IS EVIL . let us learn things for ourselves in that bible .
AND PS , i have heard of a teaching you seem to be under friend , that man was lost big time and i too corrected him .

 

[amigo de christo]

No one said money is evil.
You're ignoring scripture and timelines .

okay . lets start over then so we can clear this up .
DO you believe that right now
if a man works his own business and gets paid in money that somehow he is tied to the mark of the beast .
LETS clear up that . DO you BELEIVE this or NOT

 

[amigo de christo]

How do you buy or sell now?
Currency exchange.

OH now i want to ask you . same question . HOW do you buy or sell now . currency exchange .

 

[amigo de christo]

Except the prophecy arrived after Jesus ascended. So their money wouldn't qualify.

Jesus' reaction to the money changers is an indicator of the impact of money upon God's people.


Money is that exactly.

money is still money friend . the mark is surely tied into buying and selling
as in they will be UNABLE TO DO SO whoever dont take the mark .
pepper do come back and answer the earlier questions i left . Lets make clear this matter upon questions
and answers by both parties . cause we sure do not want to condemn those who did no wrong .
sure dont want to falsey accuse those who did not wrong . rather we need to rebuke and correct those WHO DO WRONG .

 

[Verily]

When asking Jesus if it was lawful to pay tribute to Caesar he asked them to show him the money (a penny in this instance) and asked them "whose IMAGE is on it"? And they answered "Caesars"

Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's,

And added

and unto God the things which be God's.

And would be ourselves, our bodies

1 Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

If the control over buying and selling pertains to a mark placed in our bodies (hand or forehead) wouldn't that be like giving what belongs to God (as it pertains to our bodies) to serve it by another allegiance of some sort? Instead of what belongs to Caesar as Jesus tells us it does (monies with his image on it) wouldn't it be sticking that sort of thing in ourselves (we, who are made in the image of God, and whose bodies belong to Hm) and giving that respective place to Caesar (so to speak) verses God.

Did I even say that right, thats always been a difficult one for me to wrap up how I might reason with it when looking at it that way.

 

[amigo de christo]

I do believe that the harlot in Revelation 17 is the Vatican.

But I don't believe that the papacy/pope is the Antichrist. The person who becomes the Antichrist, and later the beast, must be a Jew.

The ten kings that will align themselves with the beast-king in Revelation 17:16 will burn the Vatican to the ground.

There is and has been something occuring and its very odd and suspicious if you ask me .
THOUGH i cannot yet cliam they are the ten kings . THEY SURE DO the work of anti christ
and do all to bring this western socities under the control of a five g digitalized anti christ system .
THE D TEN . THE D how many . TEN . TEN TOP leaders of the unified western democracies
all in line and all in agreement to the unholy digitlized golden bull of the AI five g digital system .
ARE THEY the ten kings . I am not yet for sure , couldthey be , YOU BET THEY COULD BE . prophecy
is unfolding and the agenda has infiltraed all realms for many years now . Just something to watch .

 

[Douggg]

There are many anti christs even as we speak . and , they can be gentile born or jew born .
So as far as it having to have been born a jew . NO guarantee of that .

John (1John2:18) likened persons who exhibited the same nature as the coming Antichrist singular person as being "antichrists". Such persons in 1John2:22-23 denied that Jesus is the Christ, and also denied the Father and the Son relationship.

There is going to be only one actual Antichrist person who will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah instead of the true messiah Jesus. That person has to be a Jew.

 

[amigo de christo]

When asking Jesus if it was lawful to pay tribute to Caesar he asked them to show him the money (a penny in this instance) and asked them "whose IMAGE is on it"? And they answered "Caesars"

Luke 20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's,

And added

and unto God the things which be God's.

And would be ourselves, our bodies

1 Cr 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

If the control over buying and selling pertains to a mark placed in our bodies (hand or forehead) wouldn't that be like giving what belongs to God (as it pertains to our bodies) to serve it by an allegiance of some sort? Instead of what belongs to Caesar as Jesus tells us it does (monies with his image on it) wouldn't it be sticking that sort of thing in ourselves (we, who are made in the image of God, and whose bodies belong to Hm) and giving that respective place to Caesar (so to speak) verses God.

Did I even say that right, thats always been a difficult one for me to wrap up how I might reason with it when looking at it that way.

Whose temple is this . And we are not our own . our body IS NOT even ours . WE have been bought with a price .
SO why would any man offer up their body to a mark that ENABLES THEM to buy or to sell
and yet that mark came FROM THE MOST GOD DENYING , CHRIST DENYING system and body of men to have lived .
SOMETHING IS DEAD WRONG .
You see its one thing to have a metal pin or plate put into our body by medicine . quite another
to have a form of ID that cometh of men of anti christ of wicked GOD denying , false all inclusive system
WHETHER or not it cometh in as a chip or tattoe .
TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING . if they desire to put that ON the temple , the body , whose body is not even our own .
They have things like this arleady in phones , and etc . BUT NOT YET has it been offered to be put into the body .
WHEN IT DO REJECT THE PIECE OF DUNG UNHLY WICKED THING for what it is .
I DONT NEED satans anti christ chip or tattoe junk so i can eat . THE LORD has me . HE will be with me and shall feed
me as i have need . BUT the kicker is they have even the power now
to enforce this even without a chip or tattoe upon our body . SO the key is
DO NOTHING , CONFORM TO NOTHING , AGREE TO NOTHING , contrary to GOD . LOYALTY TO GOD
that be the key . either one is loyal to GOD or SATAN , TO CHRIST or anti christ but it cannot be both . hard times are coming .
Now i kinda think , BUT DO NOT KNOW , they will try and chip or tatooe us , DUE TO THEFACT
i watched them do so almost five years ago on stage and all the major phone and credit card companies were present .
SO WHY would they do that . UNLESS they were trying to get us used to the idea and the banks , and etc IN LINE
with this process . ALL i know is that nasty thing aint going anywhere in my body .

 

[amigo de christo]

John (1John2:18) likened persons who exhibited the same nature as the coming Antichrist singular person as being "antichrists". Such persons in 1John2:22-23 denied that Jesus is the Christ, and also denied the Father and the Son relationship.

There is going to be only one actual Antichrist person who will be anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah instead of the true messiah Jesus. That person has to be a Jew.

Perhaps . but beware for many jews already lead in and agree to the peace pact of that which is of anti christ
and that be interfaith .
YOU WANNA KNOW the fastest growing LIE
that is amongst the jews , christains , muslims , buddists , hindus , the religoins .
THAT WE ALL SERVE THE SAME GOD in different ways . MY ADVICE HAVE SQUAT TO DO
with THE VATICAN LED INTERFAITH , WHICH IS NOW the JEWISH LED INTERFAITH
WHICH IS NOW even the muslim led and other religon led INTERFAITH
and GUESS WHAT DOUG , TRUMP AND VANCE DO IT TOO . ITS ALL OVER THE PLACE .
MEN are DECIEVING US and too many TRUST AND HOPE IN MAN and thus are CURSED . we better bible up doug .