RLT63
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At least you have an open mind, are doing research and you are honest about it
Exploring Trinitarian Logic
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Ritajanice
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Yes, that is one thing that God has shown me....as trust me I haven’t always been open and honest.
I must come before God with a sincere open and honest heart....that’s why he tells us to seek him out with our heart for there is where we will find him.
He knows our heart, Brother, I’ve been seeking him out all day today.....I do believe without doubt in my heart that Jesus was 100% partly divine...that’s as far as I’ve got...LOL...
At one time I thought Jesus was fully human...forever learning my friend, we will never stop learning...we have that hunger for the word of God.
Oh GG, I used the 'knife' as an expression to show how the hand was formed in front of the person doing the ceremony. Sorry you didn't get it.
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So your post was about the positioning of the hand??
So you're good with being baptized in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as Jesus instructed?
Except for an important thing, worship. No angels are to be worshiped, nor any people. Worship is for God alone.
God says let all His angels worship His Son.
And all his disciples worshipped Christ too.
Along with others.
The Son Exalted Above Angels
5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:
“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:
“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
God speaking to the Son says this addressing the Son as God.
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
v9Therefore (Son) God, Your (Father) God, has anointed You
8 But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
v9Therefore (Son) God, Your (Father) God, has anointed You
I believe @marks already pointed you to -
Filipp 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Filipp 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Filipp 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Filipp 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Filipp 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Filipp 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Peace and Grace from our Lord and Saviour.
GG not so fast dear...my earlier post with the RCC hand gesture for baptism that you did not get the first time, that I described, was part of my sarcasm that I do not agree with it at all.
This RCC form of baptism gesturing with the hand is a man-made form of baptism, alien to the apostles. And they would also have found it offense as well. They never baptized in 3 names, they only voiced the name of Jesus as he was the ONLY ONE who was administered baptism by John. And the point of us to be baptized in Jesus name only, is to FOLLOW in our entire being and in deep belief and faith that we also are dead to sin and destined, and shall be resurrected like Jesus. Not like the Spirit of God or the the Father. That would be ridiculous, as that would lose the meaning of why one is baptized in the first place. The RCC just caused much chaos in this subject of baptism.
And also GG, I think that the 3 names mentioned in Matt28:19b was an insertion later into scripture hundreds of years after the death of Christ. It was a forgery. And the amount of evidence I possess points to it, and so it should. Even RCC authorities admit the 3 names: of the Father, his Spirit, and Jesus were deliberate insertions.
I wish I understood the above SD.
I've tried but it just won't enter into the mind.
I like how you even put in parenthesis who the speaker is.
There's plenty of other stuff, but this is brought up often.
I think you are premature in your delight with Wrangler. He is deliberately being exact and defining divinity for you.
Read what he said again, as I believed you skipped some critical parts of his post. And then you will be sad and not delighted.
Anyway PD what is you precise definition of divinity or being divine?
I called it progress, not truth, progress in the sense coming closer to the truth.
No man in Scripture is called divine, yes?
Hence progress.
Could you post an image or something?
I've never seen a weird hand gesture used in Catholic baptism.
The early church baptized in 3 names. Have you studied some church history? Is so, you'd know this.
The Didache - approx 90AD
The Didache (did-a-key), Διδαχή, or The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, is an early Christian text that most scholars date to the first or early second century. As a catechism for new converts, a manual for basic Christian living, and a liturgical guide, the Didache was highly regarded by many early Christian authors and theologians. Before the New Testament canon was formally settled in ad 692, a number of Bibles even included the Didache.
CONCERNING BAPTISM Concerning baptism, baptize in this way. Having instructed him in all of these teachings, baptize the catechumen in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
source: https://legacyicons.com/content/didache.pdf
Yes, I've heard this.
In the Name of Jesus just means NOT in the name of John (the Baptist).
In fact, Paul exhorted the new Christians NOT to say they were of this one or that one (Appolos, etcl).
1 Cor 3
There are enough writings from the early church to debunk that myth.
Here's one:
Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, “Unless you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven” (John 3:5).
Justin Martyr (100 - 165AD)
JM was taught by Iraneaus...taught by John.
Did you just state that servants, priests, apostles, witnesses are DIVINE?
You must be a Witness.
And you think you're Christian.
Funny stuff.
You believe Jesus is NOT GOD...
You're blaspheming Jesus, God the Son.
AND
You're worshipping a man....
or a liar....
or a lunatic.
You never did reply to that post....
Which do YOU believe Jesus is?
I believe I'm worshipping God.
Wrangler
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Context. This shows he’s not a serious Biblical student, trying to pull a fast one in taking what I wrote out of context to invent ‘progress.’
Redefining victory is in line with them inventing definitions out of whole cloth, rejecting logic, redefining language usage and have no definition to reject their IDOL. Other than that, not too bad.
Who is THEM Wrangler?
Are you not a Christian like the rest of us who believe in the Trinity?
So now Jesus is an IDOL.
Great.
I'm sure God will be most happy to hear this.
GG I do not want to spent much more time on this subject. So you have never seem a priest perform the Trinity formula or the sign of the Cross in your Mass? Yes, and with his hand, as a hand gesture...it's not that hard to understand what I'm saying here GG.
The Didache is not reliable teaching or as or in the form of a document at all. It's not scriptural or in line with scripture at all. It departed from the scripture to reinvent the baptism process amongst other things. It is the work of men who wants to alter the course of true Christianity...
And Paul's words concerning Apollo, in 1 Corinthians has zero to do with this subject at hand..
and Justin Martyr is one who I would not trust to be inspired by God at all..
And that Iraneaus taught by John, and hopefully the right John, is not even substantiated by other people of his time...these are the words and opinions of men who most were not real Christians in my view, judging from many of their writings; they were a mix of Greek religious philosophers and pagans...
moving on....
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Yes Apak...move on to those that don't know as much and with whom you're more comfortable addressing.
Pretty funny when persons state that the Didache is not scriptural.
Who do you think assembled the NT?
Whose writings do you think were circulating at the beginning of Christianity?
Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
The letters of Paul?
Those TOO.
But it was the writings of the Early Fathers.
And that you don't think Justin Martry was not Christian...
when YOU are on this forum PRETENDING to be Christian BUT ARE NOT?
Maybe you're a witness.
Maybe you're an atheist,
Maybe you're Jewish...
but you most certainly are NOT CHRISTIAN.
You haven't studied enough from your comments. Go back and study some more..
or don't
you might learn something and have to change your mind.
And Apollos has zero to do with this when you believe we're to be baptized in the name of Jesus?
...interesting stuff.
Did YOU go to your death for what you believe?
Most of the early Fathers did.
and...yeah...I'm really ignorant on Catholic Baptism...
maybe you could have pity on me and take the time to PROVE what you've stated?
No strange hand motions APAK.
or
Show us one.
Wrangler
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It’s funny that you ask questions we discussed MANY times already.
THEM are trinitarians.
No, I am a Christian who rejects the Trinity. Your god Jesus is an IDOL.
Rich R
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As a godhead, God is reduced to a "thing" instead of a loving person, our Father. Doesn't seem that good to me.
As long as we don't care about the meaning of simple words and logic, we can make the Bible say whatever we want.
1 Cor 8:6,
yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we [are] for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we [are] through him.
Even the trinity doctrine would not say Jesus is the Father, and yet this verse clearly says the one God is the Father. But again, if we want to abandon the normal meaning of "father" as well as Logic 101, then yes, we could make it say that Jesus is God.- Status
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