What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

[covenantee]

But I think your problem lies in the fact that some form of replacement theology have taken over your biblical thinking so it has caused for a faulty hermeneutic.

Has Israel's physical DNA been replaced?

Has Israel's opportunity to come to Christ been replaced?

What has been replaced, and by whom?

Also just because a covenant is called eternal, does not mean it has gone into effect.

I want to see Bro. Arnold reiterating his declaration:
"The New Covenant itself is an unconditional covenant and therefore eternally in effect".

And then immediately following that, I want to see him reiterate your declaration:
"Also just because a covenant is called eternal, does not mean it has gone into effect."

Waiting.

 

[covenantee]

The Land covenant, the Davidic covenant, The Abrahamic Covenant are all eternal covenant as well as declared by God Himself. And these are not in effect as declared yet.

They are all fulfilled in Christ. The land covenant via Christ as the Heir of all things, Hebrews 1:1,2. The Davidic covenant via Christ resurrected to David's throne in the heavens, Acts 2:29-36. The Abrahamic Covenant via Galatians 3:16. All covenants via 2 Corinthians 1:20.

There is not one mention of national Israel in these Scriptures. Jesus describes its destiny in Matthew 21:28-46.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"The New Covenant itself is an unconditional covenant and therefore eternally in effect".

Via that declaration, Bro. Arnold unquestionably believes that Jer. 31, Heb. 8 and romans 11 are in effect.

Just show him renouncing that declaration, and you win!

Then why are you unable to show me those provisions of the covenant as spelled out in Jer. 31 in history.

The land covenant God made with Israel is eternally in effect, yet they have not experienced the provisions of the covenant yet.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I want to see Bro. Arnold reiterating his declaration:
"The New Covenant itself is an unconditional covenant and therefore eternally in effect".

And then immediately following that, I want to see him reiterate your declaration:
"Also just because a covenant is called eternal, does not mean it has gone into effect."

Then as you are so insistent in the Phrae "eternal covenant".

then please show me in history and Scripture that the Abrahamic, Davidic and Land covenant which are eternal that God made with Israel are in effect also!

Well if you want to see Bro. Arnold reiterate those- contact HIm. I am an ot his press secretary.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

They are all fulfilled in Christ. The land covenant via Christ as the Heir of all things, Hebrews 1:1,2. The Davidic covenant via Christ resurrected to David's throne in the heavens, Acts 2:29-36. The Abrahamic Covenant via Galatians 3:16. All covenants via 2 Corinthians 1:20.

There is not one mention of national Israel in these Scriptures. Jesus describes its destiny in Matthew 21:28-46.

Ah yes. The Old covenant "allegorical reinterpretation retranslation"ploy.

Nothing in Acts 2 shows that Daivids throne in heaven. for it is on earth and Jesus will sit on it during the Millennial kingdom.

As for Heb. 1-- Wrong again, the promise was made to the whole nation of Israel, nor just the one seed.

As for Gal and 1 cor? Nice try plucking SCriptures out of context and forcing them in a place they do not belong. but that is the norm in covenant and replacement theology.

Mt. 21? Wow why do so many replacement people toss out grammar when reading Scripture? This is talking about that sspecific generation of Israel and not Israel for all time. Unless of course you believe Paul, John and Jesus a laiar or two faced.

 

[covenantee]

I am an ot his press secretary.

You certainly are, and doing a fine job of it.

I take him at his word.

You don't.

And your squirming isn't working.

 

[covenantee]

Nothing in Acts 2 shows that Daivids throne in heaven. for it is on earth and Jesus will sit on it during the Millennial kingdom.

He won't, because that throne was destroyed thousands of years ago by Nebuchadnezzar.

As for Heb. 1-- Wrong again, the promise was made to the whole nation of Israel, nor just the one seed.

Quote Hebrews 1:1,2 verbatim and highlight "the whole nation of Israel".

So you're claiming that the whole nation of Israel is heir of all things and made the worlds.

Thanks for the guffaws.

Replacing The Son with the whole nation of Israel is the epitome of replacement ideology.

That would be highly amusing if it wasn't highly blasphemous.

As for Gal and 1 cor? Nice try plucking SCriptures out of context and forcing them in a place they do not belong. but that is the norm in covenant and replacement theology.

Give us your interpretations of Galatians 3:16 and 2 Corinthians 1:20, if they're not redacted in your Bible.

You haven't yet identified what is replaced and by whom.

 

[covenantee]

Show me how you studies 1800 years of defenders of the faith in light of the New covenant please.

Please present a quote from any recognized defender of the historical True Faith, from 100 AD to 1800 AD, denying what Justin Martyr has described.

What's taking you so long?

 

[covenantee]

Then why are you unable to show me those provisions of the covenant as spelled out in Jer. 31 in history.

Jesus has shown you but you refuse to believe Him.

Paul has shown you but you refuse to believe him.

Justin Martyr has shown you but you refuse to believe him.

@Spiritual Israelite has shown you but you refuse to believe him.

I have shown you but you refuse to believe me.

Jews for Jesus have shown you but you refuse to believe them.

Bro. Arnold has shown you but you refuse to believe him.


You're the quintessence of unbelief. Exodus 32:9.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I do not allow one to take Scripture to reinterpret Scripture. Just because the church benefits via salvation because of the new Covenant, it does not make us member of the new Covenant.

This is an absolutely ludicrous comment. I have no interest in wasting any more time on this with you when this is how you think. We can't benefit from the new covenant if we aren't members of it.

Sorry I'm later in responding, I have been bedridden with the flu since Weds.

There's no rush in responding. Take all the time you need. But, I think I'm about done with this particular discussion, anyway.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Paul also wrote that there is neither bond nor free, and yet spoke alot to servants to be subject to their masters. Is he a hypocrite?

He also said there is no difference between male and female and yest wrote about wives submitting to their husbands as their head just as Jesus is the head of the man! Is a hypocrite? or are your juvenile attacks against me because it is you who pulls out of context and do not rightly know how to divide the word.

What kind of ridiculous response is this? Do you actually think I'm going to say that Paul is a hypocrite? Don't ask me dumb questions like that. Of course he wasn't. To understand what he meant when he said there is neither male nor female and neither Jew nor Gentile in the church requires an understanding of context, which you don't have. He obviously wasn't saying that there is literally no difference at all in any way, shape or form between being bond or free, male or female, etc. What he was saying is that everyone is in equal standing in the church and we are all together as one in the church because of our shared faith in Christ. He indicated in Ephesians 2:11-3:6 that Jew and Gentile believers are fellow citizens of the church and fellow heirs of God's promises. But, your doctrine doesn't accept that and tries to put a difference between Jews and Gentiles in relation to God's promises for His people. You just don't get it. I'm tired of saying that, but you continue to prove that to be true.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You certainly are, and doing a fine job of it.

I take him at his word.

You don't.

And your squirming isn't working.

Well I am not. Because of your allegorical hermeneutic- you forget that specific words have specific meanings.
Do stop trying to tell me how I am. you make me squirm 0

What's taking you so long?

Cuz I am waiting for you to back up your claims with fact that over 1800 years no one taught this.
Do you accept the millennia of Catholic dominion as authoratative? for that is the foundation of most of protestantism belief on this.

Only dispensational churches accept Jesus at his word.

Give us your interpretations of Galatians 3:16 and 2 Corinthians 1:20, if they're not redacted in your Bible.

You haven't yet identified what is replaced and by whom.

as soon as you show me1800 years of silence on this and your research showing you found this true. Don't bother asking anyothewr questions ti9ll you supply this proof to your boasting.

Jesus has shown you but you refuse to believe Him.

Paul has shown you but you refuse to believe him.

Justin Martyr has shown you but you refuse to believe him.

@Spiritual Israelite has shown you but you refuse to believe him.

I have shown you but you refuse to believe me.

Jews for Jesus have shown you but you refuse to believe them.

Bro. Arnold has shown you but you refuse to believe him.


You're the quintessence of unbelief. Exodus 32:9.

So I am not misunderstanding you at all , you are absolutely declaring here that

1. Gods law i snow in the inward parts of every Jew from both the houses of Israel and Judah.
2. God is no longer Ru-amih but amih to all of Israel.
3. Every Jew across the world know longer needs to be taught to know the Lord, for all ethnic Jews know from the greatest to the least.

A simple yes or no is sufficient.

Paul did not teach your view, Jesus did not unless you reinterpret their words.
as for Justin Martyr I cannot attest.

As for Spiritual Israelite?

Quote Hebrews 1:1,2 verbatim and highlight "the whole nation of Israel".

So you're claiming that the whole nation of Israel is heir of all things and made the worlds.

YOu really can't be this stupid as you are making yourself out to be are you?

Jesus is king over all, but god made eternal covenants with Israel that He will fulfill- despite your replacement theology denial.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What kind of ridiculous response is this? Do you actually think I'm going to say that Paul is a hypocrite? Don't ask me dumb questions like that. Of course he wasn't. To understand what he meant when he said there is neither male nor female and neither Jew nor Gentile in the church requires an understanding of context, which you don't have. He obviously wasn't saying that there is literally no difference at all in any way, shape or form between being bond or free, male or female, etc. What he was saying is that everyone is in equal standing in the church and we are all together as one in the church because of our shared faith in Christ. He indicated in Ephesians 2:11-3:6 that Jew and Gentile believers are fellow citizens of the church and fellow heirs of God's promises. But, your doctrine doesn't accept that and tries to put a difference between Jews and Gentiles in relation to God's promises for His people. You just don't get it. I'm tired of saying that, but you continue to prove that to be true.

So you make a non answewr by hurling ad-hominems to avoid admitting Paul could talk in paradoxes and yet both be true.

No I remember why I put you on ignore before. YOu are presumptious, arrogant and ill equipped to be an honest discusion person.

Have the last word, for yes this has tdevolved in top fuitlessness.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Quote Hebrews 1:1,2 verbatim and highlight "the whole nation of Israel".

Qoute Acts 10:1 and highlight "all of Israel". C'mon moronic gotchas are beneath you.

You are equating jesus being creator and heir as meaning Israel has no more role.

Does this mean the 12 apostles have lost their thrones Jesus promised?

Does that mean their will be no more princes and govenors for Israel as God promised.

Does that mean gentile nations representatives will not have to go to Jerusalem once a year, celebrate tabernacles and bring sacrifices as god commanded they will have to?

Taking a text out of its contest cause you to make it a pretext.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you make a non answewr by hurling ad-hominems to avoid admitting Paul could talk in paradoxes and yet both be true.

It wasn't a non-answer. You just won't accept the truth.

No I remember why I put you on ignore before. YOu are presumptious, arrogant and ill equipped to be an honest discusion person.

It's arrogant to tell you the truth? I think you are arrogant for being unteachable. You think anyone is going to be convinced by saying that Gentiles benefit from the new covenant but aren't members of it, which is completely nonsensical? If you think I'm arrogant for simply pointing out your nonsense, then that is ridiculous. Stop making comments that make no sense and then I won't have to point out your nonsense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Only dispensational churches accept Jesus at his word.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Does that mean gentile nations representatives will not have to go to Jerusalem once a year, celebrate tabernacles and bring sacrifices as god commanded they will have to?

They will never have to do that. Why would they have to do that? Was Jesus lying when He taught that God requires people to no longer go to Jerusalem to worship Him, but instead requires them to worship Him in spirit and in truth?

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So, you don't accept what Jesus taught here and you say that instead of worshiping God in spirit and in truth, Gentiles will have to go to Jerusalem to worship Him? Do you not even care when your interpretation of one passage contradicts another? You're satisfied with cherry picking scripture to make it say what you want it to say instead of taking all of scripture into account?

 

[covenantee]

Cuz I am waiting for you to back up your claims with fact that over 1800 years no one taught this.

You need to first visit your optometrist.

Then go visit this post.

Then tell us why you're taking so long.

 

[jeffweeder]

They will never have to do that. Why would they have to do that? Was Jesus lying when He taught that God requires people to no longer go to Jerusalem to worship Him, but instead requires them to worship Him in spirit and in truth?

John 4:21
Jesus replied, “Woman, believe Me, a time is coming [when God’s kingdom comes] when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You need to first visit your optometrist.

Then go visit this post.

Then tell us why you're taking so long.

Well if my optometric issues are the biggest problem, I am doing fine.

So, is Justin Martyr's writings as infallible as Scripture? If He is so infallible, why do millions disagree with Him?

why do the people who seem to love him the most are those who believe in covenant theology and replacement theology as you do?

YOu have still failed to show how every Jew now knows the Lord and no longer need to be evangelized as the Covenant said will happen when it is in effect.

You still haven't shown how Gentiles became Jews in teh desert and broje th Mosaic Covenant so that Gentiles could be considered the Fathers of jews and Gentiles

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

Please sho wme when god made an old covenant with Gentiles or the church and when did we brake it?

What is taking you so long!