Jesus is Yahweh.

[Wrangler]

Sad is blaspheming God who told us repeatedly He is Immanuel,Jesus.

This is one of my favorite trinitarian rationalizations. The Anointed one’s name is literally not Immanuel. Even it it were, it does not literally mean God is with us any more than Peter is literally a rock.

Also, does it mean that everyone who is literally named Immanuel God incarnate? If not, why not?

 

[ProDeo]

The moral of the story can be this one: Without the Spirit of God within a human being to possess and work within them, as Christ, mentally and spiritually, every human being will always, eventually, sin via their physical body and through their senses, as Adam did.

. True for Adam and the rest of the human race.
. True for angels and especially the devil.
. Not true for God the Son.

About unfortunate, sin (evil) is simply an unfortunate side effect of God's choice (Him good) to give His creatures free will. And of course God knew on beforehand that sin/evil (the opposite of Him = good) would reveal itself sooner or later. And the perfect plan to deal with sin/evil was already decided. The Lamb slain...

So, ok, I will bite, and change, and line through the word 'unfortunate' and scribble instead 'fortunate'...

...a deep area of discussion...

I understand the direction you are going which ain't bad, but I predict we end as we always end, in disagreement about Jesus divine nature and eternal existence and being one with the Father.

 

[ProDeo]

You believe what God tells you.

Don't be baited by unbelievers in what God says. Those ones are eternally in regret.

I have this habit to respond to unsound personal stuff whether it's about myself or others. Last time I checked this is a Christian forum.

 

[Wrangler]

God the Son

Jesus divine nature and eternal existence

Trinitarians believe things that contract Scripture.

• There is only God the Father.
• No verse says Jesus is divine.
• Jesus death proves his existence was not eternal, in addition to being a son, which means he is a created being.

 

[ProDeo]

Trinitarians believe things that contract Scripture.

• There is only God the Father.
• No verse says Jesus is divine.
• Jesus death proves his existence was not eternal, in addition to being a son, which means he is a created being.

[Q] - when I say, Jesus is God the Son, ascended from heaven, incarnated by the Holy Spirit into the human flesh, God with us - do you call that blasphemy?

 

[pepper]

I have this habit to respond to unsound personal stuff whether it's about myself or others. Last time I checked this is a Christian forum.

That's right,it is.
And Christians take Jesus,Immanuel's words,very very personally. As if our souls live for it.

So,when someone enters in and presumes to blaspheme,or speak against what Immanuel (God with us) teaches about His divinity,being God,the same I Am, that led His Elect out of bondage in Egypt, I personally find that to be against the faith and doctrine as described by the faith statement of this Christian forum.

And if there are those who stand mute in the face of adversaries of God,well that's too bad for them.

As for me and mine,we never shall. Because while this is a Christian forum, everywhere I go, I am in Christ.

 

[Wrangler]

[Q] - when I say, Jesus is God the Son, ascended from heaven, incarnated by the Holy Spirit into the human flesh, God with us - do you call that blasphemy?

I already called it what it is - contrary to Scripture.

This is a pattern. I say X and the next immediate thread, you ask if what I said was Y. (Did you mean descended from heaven?)

 

[APAK]

[Q] - when I say, Jesus is God the Son, ascended from heaven, incarnated by the Holy Spirit into the human flesh, God with us - do you call that blasphemy?

...ascended from heaven, aye! You must have meant differently...an innocent slip then...

 

[ProDeo]

I already called it what it is - contrary to Scripture.

This is a pattern. I say X and the next immediate thread, you ask if what I said was Y. (Did you mean descended from heaven?)

Yes, descended indeed, my bad.

...ascended from heaven, aye! You must have meant differently...an innocent slip then...

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, descended indeed, my bad.

We finally agree!

I think it is proper to say when he was conceived in Mary’s womb, he descended FROM heaven. After he was resurrected and taught the Apostles for another 40 days, he ascended TO heaven.

Serious question. Why does it not bother you that what you believe contradicts Scripture?

 

[marks]

[Q] - when I say, Jesus is God the Son, ascended from heaven, incarnated by the Holy Spirit into the human flesh, God with us - do you call that blasphemy?

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

No, it's Scripture. No mere man that came from heaven.

Much love!

 

[TLHKAJ]

1 Corinthians 15:47 KJV
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

No, it's Scripture. No mere man that came from heaven.

Much love!

AMEN!! THAT'S MY LORD!!!!!

Isaiah 45:20-25
[20]Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
[21]Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
[22]Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
[23]I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
[24]Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be ashamed.
[25]In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.

It is stated over and over that God is our Savior ...our Savior is God! The word was sent and became flesh (Jesus) and He (the Word) did all He was sent to do. God said He swore by Himself ....both the Father and the Word/Son are God. It's a dangerous thing to deny who He is. Salvation depends on it. Salvation doesn't come from a mere human. Jesus is God, the Son. He is the Word that was made flesh and dwelt among us ...GOD with us! And now, after His resurrection and ascension back to the Father, we have the witness of the Holy Spirit. He is still with us.

Matthew 28:20
[20]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[ProDeo]

We finally agree!

How?

That I only made a typo?

Sure.

I think it is proper to say when he was conceived in Mary’s womb, he descended FROM heaven.

Agreed.

Question remains what is the identity of Jesus when He descended FROM heaven.

. We know Jesus preexisted before the world existed (John 17:5 | Col 1:16)
. The Father and Jesus glorified each other before the world existed (John 17:5)

So, who is this Jesus BEFORE He descended FROM heaven?

Serious question.

He can't be human, since Jesus preexisted before the world existed (John 17:5 | Col 1:16)

After he was resurrected and taught the Apostles for another 40 days, he ascended TO heaven.

Correct.

Serious question. Why does it not bother you that what you believe contradicts Scripture?

I think it is the other way around.

It amazes me with all the evidence offered by many people here it doesn't ring a bell.

When I heard for the first time that Jesus was God the Son I rejected that immediately for reasons you quoted multiple times. But after studying the Word the evidence that Jesus is God the Son (and thus not God the Father) is overwhelming.

 

[Taken]

Jesus is Yahweh.​

Yes.

Don’t fret over NAMES… Like the Condition of this World…shall be MADE ANEW…
All shall receive a NEW Permeant NAME!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

So, who is this Jesus BEFORE He descended FROM heaven?

Serious question.

1st, at no point in Jesus’ existence is he God.

2nd, the expression is figurative. We know this by the Holy Spirit literally coming to Mary on Earth to conceive Jesus.

He can't be human, since Jesus preexisted before the world existed (John 17:5 | Col 1:16)

How do you know he can’t be human when Scripture explicitly and repeatedly says he is a man’s?

Speaking of conceive, some say before his conception Jesus was merely part of his God’s logos or plans or thoughts.

 

[ProDeo]

1st, at no point in Jesus’ existence is he God.

2nd, the expression is figurative. We know this by the Holy Spirit literally coming to Mary on Earth to conceive Jesus.


How do you know he can’t be human when Scripture explicitly and repeatedly says he is a man’s?

Speaking of conceive, some say before his conception Jesus was merely part of his God’s logos or plans or thoughts.

Too bad, I can not make it easier for you.

One more thing, to be complete, your signature states -

The most important commandment is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Eternal One is our God, and the Eternal One is the only God., he is one, and that there is no other besides him

Does not conflict with my understanding of God the Father and God the Son as clearly stated in John 10:30 - I and the Father are one.

Having said that I may assume that you realize that Mark 12:29 is about the world of 2000 years ago, tiny Israel surrounded by Polytheism countries where each village or city had its own set of dozens of gods. Deut 6:4 is truth and a warning against fake gods and remain loyal to the ONE and ONLY.

Take care.

 

[Wrangler]

Too bad, I can not make it easier for you.

Yes, you can by answering my questions, like why does it not bother you that what you believe, not only is not in Scripture but contradicts Scripture?

 

[Ritajanice]

It was impossible for Jesus to be an ordinary man, he wasn’t born from the sperm of a human man, His birth came about by divine intervention, therefore it stands to reason in part he was divine...no question about it,imo.

He was God’s Son...that makes him part divine...he was certainly not human like we are, he was always without sin , with God from the very beginning..before the foundation of the world.

 

[ProDeo]

Yes, you can by answering my questions, like why does it not bother you that what you believe, not only is not in Scripture but contradicts Scripture?

I don't like to be like you, who in order to keep what you believe, has to argue against the mountain of evidence that has been provided to you over several threads and hundreds of posts. I understand your position but in the end you are not convincing.

I will increase the mountain of evidence a bit more, but maybe others have done that already, I would not know since I am practically new here. The OT and NT isn't only about us, it goes deeper than that, it's also about the origin of the conflict, the fall of Satan and the way God is dealing with him and that my friend is divine business, not ours, only by a divine Being, His name is Jesus.

Be well.

 

[Wrangler]

I don't like to be like you, who in order to keep what you believe, has to argue against the mountain of evidence

Eisegesis is not evidence. Can’t answer questions. Sad.