"The heavens and the earth" were "created"--"WITHOUT FORM."

[ElectedbyHim]

You are welcome--but it is not my "belief", but what I know is true.

Many people believe they only have the truth, we all do it.

 

[MonoBiblical]

@ScottA This is my response to the title of this thread. They didn't not have shape.

 

[ScottA]

Many people believe they only have the truth, we all do it.

That is indeed most common, and I understand that it is even best to assume that is the case. But that is not what I was saying. The exceptions are that narrow way in which God operates. Which, if we are waiting and watching--we should even expect.

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA This is my response to the title of this thread. They didn't not have shape.

Yes, but do you realize that is the way He created the heavens and the earth; and that He was declaring that people being of the same elements, are also without form or shape...meaning that being made in the "image" of God, we are actually images without form or shape by His definition--that it is all rather a visual effect made manifest by God?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Yes, but do you realize that is the way He created the heavens and the earth; and that He was declaring that people being of the same elements, are also without form or shape...meaning that being made in the "image" of God, we are actually images without form or shape by His definition--that it is all rather a visual effect made manifest by God?

You are giving me a headache. The image is a model which is male and female. Earth is not planet Earth, but the soil, and the heavens are the rock elevations. This is how I understand it in both testaments.

 

[ScottA]

You are giving me a headache. The image is a model which is male and female. Earth is not planet Earth, but the soil, and the heavens are the rock elevations. This is how I understand it in both testaments.

"Rock elevations?"

 

[MonoBiblical]

"Rock elevations?"

Plateaus and mountains?

 

[ScottA]

Plateaus and mountains?

The KJV translates Strong's H8064 in the following manner: heaven (398x), air (21x), astrologers (with H1895) (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. heaven, heavens, sky

 

[MonoBiblical]

The KJV translates Strong's H8064 in the following manner: heaven (398x), air (21x), astrologers (with H1895) (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage

1. heaven, heavens, sky

But wrong, nonetheless.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If you yourself have a vision of a place, a world-- what is it? It is a vision, or rather in the case of mankind and the universe made of the same elements--as it is written, mankind is made an "image."

What is The Revelation of Jesus Christ? You wrote, ‘ It is a vision, or rather in the case of mankind and the universe made of the same elements--as it is written, mankind is made an "image."’ <does this include “I do a New thing” the Revelation of Jesus Christ, spoke of by God in the OT, well not a new thing but that which you had from the beginning? 1 John 2:7-8 Brothers, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment (Let there be Light!) which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you have heard from the beginning. [8] Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shines.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, Paul spoke of as not being taught by men(as he was taught of men when Saul consented to the shedding of the blood of his brother Stephen), but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Paul didn’t focus on The Revelation of Jesus Christ as the sole purpose was to Reveal time, space, matter…but instead to Reveal the Nature of the Father and yes those things that will come to pass (quickly). But that “quickly” coming to pass is for the removal of the Old man, that the spirit may be saved.
To me it’s comforting His saying one “woe” has come, have this comfort “another woe comes” and another “woe” but it will be quickly. As the Great physician and the bride, and church all say “even so, Lord. Come quickly.” Which I see as the circumcision made without hands will have travail, birth pangs…be of comfort, not overwhelmed for “I am with you”, it will pass “quickly”

Which continues throughout the ages until the times are fulfilled.

I’ve learned I have a narrow mind. Growing up I thought everyone in the world believed in a secret rapture I was told to believe in or I would be left behind. I thought this was the understanding of all people. Coming here to this board, I learned “quickly) I lived in a box. My husband and I have been watching a documentary where an archaeologist travels the world. His sole purpose is to challenge narrow mindedness. He explores all the temples, pyramids, and all the cultures spread out over history and time and space who studied the “heavens” as they interpreted, and how all the monuments, temples, pyramids have something in common. Did they look up too long, instead of searching within? This they have in common: Their tales handed down for generations, the placement of what they built (erected) in relation to the stars…one star in particular: Sirius(hope I spelled that correctly) Sirius is where we get: ‘the dog days of summer’.

The point for me telling you all this: For me (I get this is only my opinion) but they all focused on the wrong thing. Looking up to the stars as a guide. You speak of a delusion, a lie. Regardless of how old the archaeologist dates the pyramids, monuments, temples of worship scattered everywhere(not a few) on this planet “earth”. Just like this thread doesn’t want to speak of the true masterpiece in Genesis one, “Let there be Light” the first command? Very significant in the god of this world has blinded them, so that the glorious light of the gospel won’t shine unto them. which to me helps with what is “wasted” “void” “empty”.

Just as today, all their whole life commit(dedication) was in pyramid building (even generations building upon each generation) to erect the pyramids, temples of worship; guided by the solar system and stars to “predict” the future. As the host of the show I am watching says: could all their placements of worship be a warning?” To me it’s a warning for sure. But not a warning of the serpent (comet) with it fiery tail blazing through the dark sky. To me this is the warning. As passed down through generations…the focus has been based off deception, and the lie of what has been wasted, made void, and empty. It’s your brothers, that you waste. To me that says to get off our building of pyramids, monuments, places of sacrifices and worship …and rebuild and edify what has been broken down, wasted, and made empty: strengthen your brothers. For this it the True pyramid, monument, build not by man’s hands but the foundation laid by God himself, which Christ as the chief corner stone. The true building of worship and sacrifice “edifying itself in love” every joint supplying for another; this Place of Worship the True place that many will call “wasted, empty, void, and “in vain”; yet foretold of God as blessed, the place foretold that will stand and remain, having this “seal” “you are built up(those of Christ will rebuild the old waste place; Christ will be called Him who restores all things, for a habitation of God. “So that, this place where God has put His Name”
Revelation 22:3-4 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: [4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

A Name written without hands, made without hands, God’s Words planted(His seed remains) in you having this promise, it will be neither empty, void, or barren.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

After 2,000 years of Christian teaching and belief--so much is still not understood.

And yet many, if not all, seem unwilling to hear the end of the matter, as if everything everyone believed or now believes is correct, and willing to fight unto the death. I started a thread (DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?) about the coming of "all truth" as promise by God but was foretold not to come until just before the end of time. With the idea that with all that is written regarding the great apostacy and false doctrines foretold to be a reality of our times. But it would appear that we need to go back to "the beginning."

Let's see:

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters (Genesis 1:1-2).​

What it says--what is written, is that "God created the heavens and the earth"--and "the earth was without form." Hence, the title of this thread. But who has ever taken the words at face value, as they are plainly written? Anyone?

Is "the earth without form?" --Do you believe what you are reading of the word of God--or, are you like the rest of us who just assumed that the earth was without form before creation--instead of the way it is written and declared from the beginning?

And that was just the first two verses of God's word. Is anyone ready to believe it even as stated and move on to "all truth?"

This is the time--"that time" foretold, but are you ready...or even willing?

Well I do, But what do you think it is saying.

 

[ScottA]

Well I do, But what do you think it is saying.

What "do" you, and what question have I not already answered?

 

[ElectedbyHim]

That is indeed most common, and I understand that it is even best to assume that is the case. But that is not what I was saying. The exceptions are that narrow way in which God operates. Which, if we are waiting and watching--we should even expect.

What is your truth?

 

[ScottA]

What is your truth?

My truth is God's truth, I am His and He is mine. Why do you ask?

 

[ElectedbyHim]

My truth is God's truth, I am His and He is mine. Why do you ask?

Just curious.

 

[TLHKAJ]

God didn't create the earth in vain (void). He created it to be dwelt in.

Isaiah 45:18
[18]For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The word translated "vain" is this:

Hebrew: תּהוּ
Transliteration: tôhû
Pronunciation: to'-hoo
Definition: From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of {surface}) that {is} desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - {confusion} empty {place} without {form} {nothing} (thing of) {nought} {vain} {vanity} {waste} wilderness.
KJV Usage: vain (4x), vanity (4x), confusion (3x), without form (2x), wilderness (2x), nought (2x), nothing (1x), empty place (1x), waste (1x).
Occurs: 20
In verses: 19

Plainly, scripture states that God didn't create the earth in vain, empty, in waste, or without form.

So what then does Genesis chapter one say? Take a look.

Genesis 1:1-2
[1]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Hebrew: היה
Transliteration: hâyâh
Pronunciation: haw-yaw'
Definition: A primitive root (compare H1933); to {exist} that {is} be or {become} come to pass (always {emphatic} and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - {beacon} X {altogether} be ({-come} {accomplished} {committed} {like}) {break} {cause} come (to {pass}) {continue} {do} {faint} {fall} + {follow} {happen} X {have} {last} {pertain} quit (one-) {self} {require} X use.
KJV Usage: was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee.
Occurs: 76
In verses: 72

By taking the word "was" in verse 2 back to the Hebrew we can see that it is revealed that the earth became without form and void after God created it.

 

[ScottA]

God didn't create the earth in vain (void). He created it to be dwelt in.

Isaiah 45:18
[18]For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

The word translated "vain" is this:

Hebrew: תּהוּ
Transliteration: tôhû
Pronunciation: to'-hoo
Definition: From an unused root meaning to lie waste; a desolation (of {surface}) that {is} desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - {confusion} empty {place} without {form} {nothing} (thing of) {nought} {vain} {vanity} {waste} wilderness.
KJV Usage: vain (4x), vanity (4x), confusion (3x), without form (2x), wilderness (2x), nought (2x), nothing (1x), empty place (1x), waste (1x).
Occurs: 20
In verses: 19

Plainly, scripture states that God didn't create the earth in vain, empty, in waste, or without form.

So what then does Genesis chapter one say? Take a look.

Genesis 1:1-2
[1]In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2]And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Hebrew: היה
Transliteration: hâyâh
Pronunciation: haw-yaw'
Definition: A primitive root (compare H1933); to {exist} that {is} be or {become} come to pass (always {emphatic} and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - {beacon} X {altogether} be ({-come} {accomplished} {committed} {like}) {break} {cause} come (to {pass}) {continue} {do} {faint} {fall} + {follow} {happen} X {have} {last} {pertain} quit (one-) {self} {require} X use.
KJV Usage: was, come to pass, came, has been, were happened, become, pertained, better for thee.
Occurs: 76
In verses: 72

By taking the word "was" in verse 2 back to the Hebrew we can see that it is revealed that the earth became without form and void after God created it.

Unfortunately, there is a gulf between that place prepared for us, and this world.

Even so, the scriptures state it clearly: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void..."

 

[ElieG12]

If we look at a photo of a meteor or asteroid traveling through space, what we see is the same as if we were looking at a rock: an object with a deformed mass, whose surface is only rocky, rough, nothing but inert material.

When the Bible describes what the earth was like before it began to be molded, for the life that would later fill it, it says that it was "formless and void" ... exactly like any solid object that travels through space and that has not been given the purpose of hosting life.

It is evident that although the earth was previously formless and void like any solid body traveling through space, after the creative days the earth is no longer like that, clearly showing the impressive details that Jehovah added to the planet to fill it with life later.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Unfortunately, there is a gulf between that place prepared for us, and this world.

Even so, the scriptures state it clearly: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void..."

You missed the entire point and completely dismissed Isaiah 45:18. That's on you.

 

[ScottA]

If we look at a photo of a meteor or asteroid traveling through space, what we see is the same as if we were looking at a rock: an object with a deformed mass, whose surface is only rocky, rough, nothing but inert material.

When the Bible describes what the earth was like before it began to be molded, for the life that would later fill it, it says that it was "formless and void" ... exactly like any solid object that travels through space and that has not been given the purpose of hosting life.

It is evident that although the earth was previously formless and void like any solid body traveling through space, after the creative days the earth is no longer like that, clearly showing the impressive details that Jehovah added to the planet to fill it with life later.

Why do you speculate so?

Unfortunately, your definition of "without form", is sorely lacking...as if to say God did not speak the earth it into being.

But no, it does not say, "In the beginning God remodeled the earth."