Critical thinking and education is linked to loss of faith

[David in NJ]

Did she really though? This was pre fall so she had no knowledge of good and evil. We know that humans can reason and learn, even before the fall...but how long were they there before the fall? I've heard two halfway credible stories/views on it. One was, just a few days (!) and the other view was 7 years...

Either way I think, it wasn't very long for them to be able to learn a whole lot. And we also know (no disrespect to women!) that, Eve was not the bright bulb between her and Adam, so how critically was she able to think? I submit that it wasn't much in the way of critical thinking!

So they were pre fall, and apparently, the Lord would speak with them daily in the cool of the evening. SO Adam & Eve were prolly busy all day! Naming the animals, tending the garden, exploring the garden. Eve learning how to be a help meet for Adam...I bet they were quite busy and this was all basic stuff that they had no prior knowledge of, so they prolly learned critical thinking in Junior High (after the fall).

So Faith did come first. All they really knew is there is a God and they speak with Him daily and He teaches them and takes care of them and they had no reason to doubt God because He had never lied to them before, so they didn't know what a lie was, so Eve was able to be deceived. (Those Impulsive Women...!) Now Adam knew it was dead dog wrong to eat that fruit from the get go. He sinned knowingly. And in a way...can you blame him? Eve was the best wife that he ever had (Lol) and she was crafted by the very hand of God, so you know she was a knockout, and Adam loved her like a wife. So Adam loved her unconditionally and sinned knowingly so that Eve would not be alone in getting into trouble!

Just like a good husband nowadays. She messes up, it is her fault, clearly, what will the husband do? Well he deals with the situation however he needs to at the moment and deals with the consequences when they get home again...

Eh?

Correct

As i pointed out = Eve used the Serpents critical thinking to override her thinking which was God's Word

Faith came first = God Said = then came the Serpent with his critical thinking which Eve converted too

 

[MA2444]

Correct

As i pointed out = Eve used the Serpents critical thinking to override her thinking which was God's Word

Faith came first = God Said = then came the Serpent with his critical thinking which Eve converted too

Well the serpent was tricking her. He lied first and said, so God said you can't eat from any of the trees fruits in the garden, as in any of them. And this made Eve feel smart and appealed to her vanity because she saw what she thought to be a chance to correct him (!!) and she went on a roll the way women do, and she wound up exaggerating what God said by saying God said we can't even touch it or we will die. And God didn't say that to them.

So Eve was dumb and walked right into it. She was deceived and didn't use anyone's critical thinking! Poor girl...

 

[David in NJ]

Well the serpent was tricking her. He lied first and said, so God said you can't eat from any of the trees fruits in the garden, as in any of them. And this made Eve feel smart and appealed to her vanity because she saw what she thought to be a chance to correct him (!!) and she went on a roll the way women do, and she wound up exaggerating what God said by saying God said we can't even touch it or we will die. And God didn't say that to them.

So Eve was dumb and walked right into it. She was deceived and didn't use anyone's critical thinking! Poor girl...

Did Eve come up with critical thinking on her own?

Of course not

Eve was deceived = absolutely = thru satan's 'critical thinking AP' = today you can find it on the web and download

 

[The Learner]

where was I going???

 

[David in NJ]

Yahweh and numberless angels.

Do you have any evidence of that which you claim???

 

[David in NJ]

where was I going???

somewhere
over there
maybe here
maybe there
anywhere
but there
just do not go no where
maybe the place between here and there

 

[Matthias]

Do you have any evidence of that which you claim???

Yahweh is given the title elohim in scripture. Angels are given the title elohim in scripture. (Even human beings are given the title elohim in scripture.)

 

[David in NJ]

Yahweh is given the title elohim in scripture. Angels are given the title elohim in scripture. (Even human beings are given the title elohim in scripture.)

Where does it say that angels created all things???

 

[Matthias]

Where does it say that angels created all things???

Where have I said that angels created anything?

 

[Matthias]

“In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1).

Who is this God who in the beginning created the heavens and the earth?

Whoever it is, there is no God besides him.

I grew up in a church (Southern Baptist) that was non-creedal. The first creed that I learned about, and the first creed that I ever recited (when briefly attending a United Methodist Church in the early 90’s) was the Apostles’ Creed

”I believe in God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth;”

(Traditional Version)

”I believe in God, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth.”

(Ecumenical Version)

Apostles' Creed | UMC.org

The affirmation of faith most widely used by United Methodists.

www.umc.org

The elohim who created the heaven and the earth is the Father Almighty, the Messiah’s elohim and Father, Yahweh.

He did it alone, by himself (Isaiah 44:24).

 

[Riven]

She allowed herself to be deceived via not thinking critically enough about what the devil said. The consequence was death.



God designed and gave us brains in order for us to think critically.

But how could Eve think critically if those skills were never developed? You can hardly blame her. For all intents and purposes, both of these people had the minds of children.

 

[Matthias]

But how could Eve think critically if those skills were never developed? You can hardly blame her. For all intents and purposes, both of these people had the minds of children.

You’re making an assumption about them. God doesn’t treat them as people who have the minds of children. They aren’t five-year-olds. They’re adults. God holds them accountable.

 

[Lizbeth]

Generally, the more religious one is, the less educated they are. Those who happen to be both educated and religious such as theologians, are largely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest-victims of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics. They can easily apply their critical thinking skills to all other forms of magical thinking and religious beliefs separate from their own, but fail to apply the same reasoning to their own beliefs. Now of course religious zealots will mention the commonly over-used and stale argument of the Catholic Church being behind most of the world’s scientific advancements and education, but that in itself is a form of post hoc fallacy. Deconstructing is by no means easy, but this lady has done it here after many years of being a Christian:

In America, Does More Education Equal Less Religion?

Overall, U.S. adults with college degrees are less religious than others on some measures. However, Christians with higher levels of education appear to be just as religious as those with less schooling.

www.pewresearch.org

Christians in U.S. Are Less Educated Than Religious Minorities, Report Says (Published 2016)

A Pew Research Center survey of 151 countries found wide gaps in education among major religions, including among Christians and minority faiths in the United States.

www.nytimes.com

Faith is not a matter for the fleshly brain, but a matter for the heart and spirit. The fleshly carnal brain is useful for dealing with earthly practical things, not spiritual things. We can only perceive God and His truths by our spirit/heart, once He has awakened and reconnected our heart/spirit to Him by giving us of His Spirit through faith in His Son, Jesus. I haven't read through the thread at all, but just in case someone hasn't already posted these:

1Co 2:12-16

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


Rom 8:4-9

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[bluedragon]

Generally, the more religious one is, the less educated they are. Those who happen to be both educated and religious such as theologians, are largely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest-victims of cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics. They can easily apply their critical thinking skills to all other forms of magical thinking and religious beliefs separate from their own, but fail to apply the same reasoning to their own beliefs. Now of course religious zealots will mention the commonly over-used and stale argument of the Catholic Church being behind most of the world’s scientific advancements and education, but that in itself is a form of post hoc fallacy. Deconstructing is by no means easy, but this lady has done it here after many years of being a Christian:

In America, Does More Education Equal Less Religion?

Overall, U.S. adults with college degrees are less religious than others on some measures. However, Christians with higher levels of education appear to be just as religious as those with less schooling.

www.pewresearch.org

Christians in U.S. Are Less Educated Than Religious Minorities, Report Says (Published 2016)

A Pew Research Center survey of 151 countries found wide gaps in education among major religions, including among Christians and minority faiths in the United States.

www.nytimes.com

Shining example of the basis for the reason you are no where near the level of success you would hope to be.

 

[David in NJ]

Yahweh is given the title elohim in scripture. Angels are given the title elohim in scripture. (Even human beings are given the title elohim in scripture.)

Which Elohim does Genesis, Exodus, the OT prophets, the Gospel, the Apostles and Revelation DECLARE

Here is a Guaranteed TRUTH: Isaiah 40 verse 3

A voice of one calling:

“Prepare the way for the YHWH in the wilderness;

make a straight highway for our Elohenu(Plural) in the desert.

Every valley shall be lifted up,

and every mountain and hill made low;

the uneven ground will become smooth,

and the rugged land a plain.

And the glory of the YHWH will be revealed,

and all humanity together will see it.”

 

[Matthias]

Which Elohim does Genesis, Exodus, the OT prophets, the Gospel, the Apostles and Revelation DECLARE

There is only one God in scripture -> the Messiah’s.

Here is a Guaranteed TRUTH: Isaiah 40 verse 3

A voice of one calling:

“Prepare the way for the YHWH in the wilderness;

make a straight highway for our Elohenu(Plural) in the desert.

Every valley shall be lifted up,

and every mountain and hill made low;

the uneven ground will become smooth,

and the rugged land a plain.

And the glory of the YHWH will be revealed,

and all humanity together will see it.”

You’ve fooled the trinitarians.

 

[pepper]

You all might notice,Romanov and his "associates" ,other selves?, are banned.

He/They started this thread to insult our intellects and faith, and start a fight.

 

[David in NJ]

There is only one God in scripture -> the Messiah’s.



You’ve fooled the trinitarians.

Elohim has everyone 'stumped'

Except for those whom the FATHER called to the SON, who prayed for His own to receive the HOLY SPIRIT = THREE

Without the THREE no one could be SAVED

 

[David in NJ]

You all might notice,Romanov and his "associates" ,other selves?, are banned.

He/They started this thread to insult our intellects and faith, and start a fight.

Always rely on the LORD, the Holy Spirit, the Scriptures and Prayer

No one can outsmart the Holy Spirit

 

[Matthias]

Elohim has everyone 'stumped'

The Messiah isn’t stumped and elohim is a simple concept.

Except for those whom the FATHER called to the SON, who prayed for His own to receive the HOLY SPIRIT = THREE

Without the THREE no one could be SAVED

It‘s narrative like that which keeps the trinitarians from figuring you out.