Biblical Repentance

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Ceasing to sin = Jesus' command go and sin no more, which means strive every day to resist temptation, work on resisting areas where you are weak, hate sin like King David because you have a change of heart because you feel sorrow everytime you go against God.

Okay; we agree that we are to strive against sin. Had you phrased it so, we could have avoided this messy discussion.

"Ceasing to sin" implies we must be successful in our strivings. As our sister testified earlier, it may take years before we see any results, it may well be beyond our own strength and require an active work of God (which is not guaranteed; sometimes the answer to prayer is, "My grace is sufficient for you"), and there is no certainty that success will be achieved in this lifetime. This requires both our faithful striving and our trust in the faithful love of God.

This is why I chose as my scripture 1 John 2:1-2. To paraphrase: "Don't sin - but if you do sin, remember Christ died for your sin and is your Advocate before God."

Your issue would be with those who refuse to strive. My issue is with those who align themselves with the Accuser of the Brethren to accuse the struggling child of God when they fail, so as to break their trust in their Advocate.
 
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The Greek word for "repent" is "metanoia" (noun) and "matanoeo" (verb) you see as defined in the Strongs #3340, 3341: to think differently or afterwards, reconsider. To change one's mind.

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G3340/metanoeo.htm#:~:text=Strong's #3340: metanoeo (pronounced met-an-o-eh'-o) from 3326 and,i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent. Thayer's Greek Lexicon:

Repentance basically means a "change of mind" and the context must determine what is involved in this change of mind. Where salvation is in view, repentance actually precedes saving faith in Christ and is not a totally separate act from faith. It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side (what you change your mind about) and faith in Christ is on the positive side, the new direction of this change of mind. Repentance and faith are two sides of the same experience of receiving Christ. (Acts 20:21)

Certain people misunderstand the term "repentance" to mean "turning from sin" to the extreme which means from that moment on we live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life, 100% of the time, yet repent does not mean sinless perfection. The word "repent" basically means to "change your mind."

The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions. Acts 26:20 declares, "I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds." This is the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8), not the essence of repentance (change of mind). I have heard certain people say, "if you want to be saved, repent of your sins, turn from your sins." If turning from your sins means to completely stop sinning, then people can only be saved if they completely stop sinning and, in that case, none of us will be saved because none of us are sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, 100% of the time. (1 John 1:8-10)
 

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The Bible also tells us that true repentance will result in a change of actions.
An old Steve Brown quote, from a guy who spent 13 years on the Key Life Forum:

"Repentance is not change; repentance is God's methodology for changing you. Repentance is agreeing with God about who God is, who you are, what you've done, and what needs to change."
 

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Not all sin leads to death either.

“If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.”
‭‭I John‬ ‭5‬:‭16‬-‭17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 

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Repentance in its essence is simply, changing one’s mind concerning the walking towards God, people can and do also walk away from Yahavah which when moving further away from him leads to darkness without his presence in the light. How far a person moves to or from God is up to them.

“For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12‬:‭3‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Being there are different measures of faith, the same is the measure of faithful people, some close to God maybe some not so close but they still have faith in him. Then you have those whom are faithlessness which walk in spiritual darkness.
 

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I'm still waiting for Mark and any other who believes repentance toward salvation does not involve repentance of sin to answer my first question:

Could the son who repented and went to work in his fathers vineyard have repented if he had not gone to work?
 

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I'm still waiting for Mark and any other who believes repentance toward salvation does not involve repentance of sin to answer my first question:
I'm still waiting for you to define repentance according to the Koine Greek.

Until we share the same understanding of what "metanoia" means, we won't get anywhere in how to apply it's meaning.

How do you differentiate "repentance toward salvation" and "repentance of sin"? This is why we need to get on the same page of what metanoia is.

Much love!
 
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Certain people misunderstand the term "repentance" to mean "turning from sin" to the extreme which means from that moment on we live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life, 100% of the time, yet repent does not mean sinless perfection. The word "repent" basically means to "change your mind."
And some like to lord a legalistic interpretation over others. Act like, "well, I've repented, so I don't sin, why not you??"

Much love!
 
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I'm still waiting for you to define repentance according to the Koine Greek.

Until we share the same understanding of what "metanoia" means, we won't get anywhere in how to apply it's meaning.

How do you differentiate "repentance toward salvation" and "repentance of sin"? This is why we need to get on the same page of what metanoia is.

Much love!
Hebrew Words for Repentance
שׁוּב (shuv)

Meaning: To turn, return, or restore. This term implies a turning away from sin and returning to God. It is often used to describe a physical or spiritual change in direction.

Key Verses:
Jeremiah 3:22: "Return (shuv), O faithless children, I will heal your faithlessness."

Joel 2:12: "Return (shuv) to me with all your heart."

Sources:
Brown, Driver, Briggs (BDB) Hebrew Lexicon: Defines shuv as turning back to God or away from wrongdoing.
נָחַם (nacham)

Meaning: To feel sorrow, regret, or comfort. In the context of repentance, it conveys deep remorse or regret over sin.
Key Verses:

Exodus 32:14: "And the Lord relented (nacham) from the disaster He had spoken of bringing on His people."

Job 42:6: "Therefore I despise myself and repent (nacham) in dust and ashes."

Sources:
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT): Describes nacham as a change of mind or emotion due to regret.
Greek Words for Repentance
μετανοέω (metanoeō)

Meaning: To change one’s mind or way of thinking. It emphasizes a mental transformation that results in a change of behavior.
Key Verses:

Matthew 4:17: "Repent (metanoeō), for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Acts 3:19: "Repent (metanoeō) and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out."
Sources:

BDAG Lexicon: Defines metanoeō as a fundamental change in thinking that involves regret and a subsequent decision to amend one’s life.
μετάνοια (metanoia)

Meaning: Repentance or a change of mind. It is the noun form of metanoeō and often signifies a complete transformation of heart and purpose.
Key Verses:

Luke 24:47: "And that repentance (metanoia) for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations."

Romans 2:4: "God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance (metanoia)."
Sources:
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Lexicon: Lists metanoia as a change of mind, often with a moral connotation.
μεταμέλομαι (metamelomai)

Meaning: To feel regret or remorse. Unlike metanoeō, this word focuses more on an emotional response rather than a full transformation of behavior.
Key Verses:

Matthew 27:3: "Then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that Jesus had been condemned, felt remorse (metamelomai)."

2 Corinthians 7:10: "For godly grief produces repentance (metanoia) that leads to salvation without regret (metamelomai)."

Sources:

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament: Highlights the difference between regret (metamelomai) and true repentance (metanoia).

Distinctive Features and Theological Insights

Shuv (Hebrew) and metanoeō (Greek) emphasize a turning back or changing direction, making repentance an active response.

Nacham and metamelomai focus on the emotional aspect, highlighting the regret or sorrow that often accompanies repentance.

True repentance in Scripture is often described as a combination of these elements:
A change of mind (metanoeō),

Regret for sin (metamelomai),
A return to God (shuv),

Accompanied by practical fruit of repentance (e.g., Luke 3:8).


Summary Sources:
Brown, Driver, Briggs (BDB) Hebrew Lexicon
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT)
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (BDAG)
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Greek-English Lexicon
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT)
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament

Guess this is enough?

J.
 
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Hebrew Words for Repentance
שׁוּב (shuv)

Meaning: To turn, return, or restore. This term implies a turning away from sin and returning to God. It is often used to describe a physical or spiritual change in direction.

Key Verses:
Jeremiah 3:22: "Return (shuv), O faithless children, I will heal your faithlessness."

Joel 2:12: "Return (shuv) to me with all your heart."

Sources:
Brown, Driver, Briggs (BDB) Hebrew Lexicon: Defines shuv as turning back to God or away from wrongdoing.
נָחַם (nacham)

Meaning: To feel sorrow, regret, or comfort. In the context of repentance, it conveys deep remorse or regret over sin.
Key Verses:

Exodus 32:14: "And the Lord relented (nacham) from the disaster He had spoken of bringing on His people."

Job 42:6: "Therefore I despise myself and repent (nacham) in dust and ashes."

Sources:
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT): Describes nacham as a change of mind or emotion due to regret.
Greek Words for Repentance
μετανοέω (metanoeō)

Meaning: To change one’s mind or way of thinking. It emphasizes a mental transformation that results in a change of behavior.
Key Verses:

Matthew 4:17: "Repent (metanoeō), for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Acts 3:19: "Repent (metanoeō) and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out."
Sources:

BDAG Lexicon: Defines metanoeō as a fundamental change in thinking that involves regret and a subsequent decision to amend one’s life.
μετάνοια (metanoia)

Meaning: Repentance or a change of mind. It is the noun form of metanoeō and often signifies a complete transformation of heart and purpose.
Key Verses:

Luke 24:47: "And that repentance (metanoia) for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations."

Romans 2:4: "God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance (metanoia)."
Sources:
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Lexicon: Lists metanoia as a change of mind, often with a moral connotation.
μεταμέλομαι (metamelomai)

Meaning: To feel regret or remorse. Unlike metanoeō, this word focuses more on an emotional response rather than a full transformation of behavior.
Key Verses:

Matthew 27:3: "Then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that Jesus had been condemned, felt remorse (metamelomai)."

2 Corinthians 7:10: "For godly grief produces repentance (metanoia) that leads to salvation without regret (metamelomai)."

Sources:

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament: Highlights the difference between regret (metamelomai) and true repentance (metanoia).

Distinctive Features and Theological Insights

Shuv (Hebrew) and metanoeō (Greek) emphasize a turning back or changing direction, making repentance an active response.

Nacham and metamelomai focus on the emotional aspect, highlighting the regret or sorrow that often accompanies repentance.

True repentance in Scripture is often described as a combination of these elements:
A change of mind (metanoeō),

Regret for sin (metamelomai),
A return to God (shuv),

Accompanied by practical fruit of repentance (e.g., Luke 3:8).


Summary Sources:
Brown, Driver, Briggs (BDB) Hebrew Lexicon
Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT)
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (BDAG)
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ) Greek-English Lexicon
Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (TWOT)
A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament

Guess this is enough?

J.
It seems this was a futile effort, but I’m growing accustomed to the pain of losing brothers in Christ. It feels like we’re all here just to pursue our own "thang."

Shalom @marks

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I'm still waiting for you to define repentance according to the Koine Greek.

Until we share the same understanding of what "metanoia" means, we won't get anywhere in how to apply it's meaning.

How do you differentiate "repentance toward salvation" and "repentance of sin"? This is why we need to get on the same page of what metanoia is.

Much love!
Oh, I see Mark where you are coming from.
Folks who don't speak greek cannot be saved.
They cant just read the English Bibles to know what repentance means.
The must get educated in colleges in Greek to understand the Scriptures.
You don't know Greek either Mark!!

Appeal to authority fallacy: the appeal to authority or argumentum ad verecundiam is an informal logical fallacy in which a false or misplaced authority is appealed in order to justify an argument or idea.

Now I'll believe I must give the greek when you show me the passage where Jesus demands you get educated in koine greek to be allowed to rightly divide His word?

Acts 17:30,
- truly these times of ignorance God overlooked but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent,
Greek, from Biblehub metanoein: change my will change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of Gods will)
 

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It seems this was a futile effort, but I’m growing accustomed to the pain of losing brothers in Christ. It feels like we’re all here just to pursue our own "thang."

Shalom @marks

J.
There are too many who have an agenda outside of building up others in Christ!

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Oh, I see Mark where you are coming from.
Folks who don't speak greek cannot be saved.
Obviously you don't see.

Regardless, you were the one who wanted to discuss the meaning of repentance. I'm sorry you see a study of the source language to be meaningless.

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Obviously you don't see.

Regardless, you were the one who wanted to discuss the meaning of repentance. I'm sorry you see a study of the source language to be meaningless.

Much love!
I call it the Arian philosophy-and a radical departure from truth as written in Scripture.

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I'm not wondering why you are dodging answering my question.
It's a simple question that deserves a simple answer.
Any honest person would have no objection to answering it.

I let Jesus define repentance in Matthew 21:28-32

Proving I'm right by dodging questions to your interpretation of repentance by not answering Scriptural accounts.

The question is open to anyone who has the belief that repentance of sins is not essential for salvation.
 

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I call it the Arian philosophy-and a radical departure from truth as written in Scripture.

J.
Habakkuk 2:2,
- then the Lord replied Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it
 
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Obviously you don't see.

Regardless, you were the one who wanted to discuss the meaning of repentance. I'm sorry you see a study of the source language to be meaningless.

Much love!
No I NEVER said let's debate the greek.
You are very dishonest sir!

I've said over and over to discuss the son's repentance in the parable of the two sons.
You are the one who wants to use Greek to claim who understands repentance.
 
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I'm not wondering why you are dodging answering my question.
It's a simple question that deserves a simple answer.
Any honest person would have no objection to answering it.

I let Jesus define repentance in Matthew 21:28-32

Proving I'm right by dodging questions to your interpretation of repentance by not answering Scriptural accounts.

The question is open to anyone who has the belief that repentance of sins is not essential for salvation.
I'll give it a try @Titus in a spirit of goodwill, not being facetious.


The distinction between "repentance toward salvation" and "repentance of sin" is a nuanced one, but it centers around the purpose, direction, and outcome of the repentance. Both concepts involve a change of mind, but they are applied differently in the context of Christian theology and soteriology (the study of salvation). Here’s how we can differentiate the two:

1. Repentance Toward Salvation

Definition: Repentance toward salvation refers to a change of mind that is focused on turning toward God and accepting the salvation offered through Jesus Christ. It is the initial act of turning away from a life of sin, self, and idolatry to embrace God and His redemptive work in Christ.

Focus: The emphasis is on turning to God for salvation. This is not merely about sorrow for sin but is primarily about recognizing and accepting Christ as the Savior, and the necessity of His death and resurrection for forgiveness and eternal life.

Biblical Examples:

Acts 20:21: "Testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ."

Romans 10:9: Repentance involves confessing Jesus as Lord, which is part of the process of salvation.

Theological Significance: This form of repentance is viewed as a change of mind and heart toward God that leads to salvation. It is often seen as an initial, essential step in the conversion experience-turning away from sin and toward the saving grace of God.

2. Repentance of Sin

Definition: Repentance of sin refers to the ongoing process of acknowledging and turning away from specific sins or sinful behaviors. It is a post-conversion aspect of the Christian life, where believers continue to reflect on their lives, confess their sins, and seek God’s forgiveness and restoration.

Focus: The emphasis is on specific acts of sin that need to be repented of as part of the believer's growth in holiness. This is often linked to the ongoing sanctification process, where the believer continually seeks to align their life with God’s will.

Biblical Examples:

1 John 1:9: "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

Luke 15:7: "There will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance."

Theological Significance: Repentance of sin is an ongoing act in the life of a believer, where sin is identified, confessed, and forsaken to grow more in Christlikeness.

3. Theological Understanding of Metanoia

Metanoia (the Greek word commonly translated as "repentance") carries the idea of a change of mind or a turning around. The primary shift in metanoia involves a person’s attitude toward sin and God, which involves both a turning away from sin (repentance of sin) and a turning toward God (repentance toward salvation).

In Relation to Salvation: In the New Testament, metanoia often refers to an initial repentance toward salvation, where a sinner turns from self-reliance and sin to trust in Christ for forgiveness and eternal life.

Matthew 3:2: "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" Here, metanoia is used in the context of repentance as part of the gospel message.

In Relation to Sanctification: As believers grow in their faith, metanoia continues to be relevant as they experience ongoing repentance of sin, leading to sanctification and greater conformity to God’s will.

2 Corinthians 7:10: "For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death." This verse highlights both the initial turning toward God and the ongoing repentance for sin.

Summary of Differences:
Repentance Toward Salvation:
Focuses on turning to God and faith in Christ for salvation.
Is initial and involves a change of mind regarding one’s relationship with God.
Is part of the process of conversion and justification.

Repentance of Sin:
Focuses on turning away from specific sins and sinful behaviors.
Is ongoing and involves the believer’s sanctification.
Is part of the believer’s growth in holiness and living in alignment with God’s will.

Conclusion--
Both types of repentance involve metanoia, but they differ in their focus and role in the believer’s life. "Repentance toward salvation" is a foundational step in the conversion experience, turning a person from sin to God, while "repentance of sin" is an ongoing process that continues throughout the Christian life, leading to sanctification. Both are essential, but the former is about initial salvation and the latter about continued growth and obedience.

Metanoia (The Greek Term for Repentance)
The Greek word metanoia (μετάνοια) means "a change of mind" or "a turning around," and it applies in both the initial repentance for salvation and the ongoing repentance from sin. This understanding is consistent in scholarly interpretations, including works by A.T. Robertson, Daniel B. Wallace, and F.F. Bruce.

Metanoia involves not just intellectual acknowledgment but also a moral and spiritual transformation. Scholars agree that metanoia can refer to both salvific repentance (for salvation) and sanctifying repentance (for continued growth in holiness).

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