I dont appreciate your arrogant superiority complex.
You have never asked me if I have, so why are you talking down to me like i haven't?
Who do you think you are?
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You have never asked me if I have, so why are you talking down to me like i haven't?
Who do you think you are?
Is Jesus teaching sinless perfection when he tells her to go and sin no more?
I'm growing tired of you and Mark not answering my questions.
You just keep asking more never answering mine.
SURE, now show me where you answered my question about the son going to work in the vineyard.
Where did you answer my original question to you?
I’m getting used to this-being labeled as “arrogant” or having a “superiority complex” simply because I, like you, am a student of the Scriptures.
You’ve just sinned against someone who considers himself a “nobody”-a beggar simply pointing other beggars to where they can find bread.
Please don’t respond-- I have no need for this.
J.
Lambano
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What's the difference between "ceasing to sin" and "sinless perfection"?
Wrong, dead wromg.
You think I talk like that to someone about something I've never asked them about?
You think you accusing me of never reading the overview of Hebrews is humility?
fyi, I just finished a two month Bible study on the entire book of Hebrews.
That Is insulting language Johann.
If you cant see that then i cant help you.
Lambano
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I'm not about to let my opponent unilaterally set the terms of engagement.
Besides, I'm offering you the opportunity to explain your point of view. How does your position differ from sinless perfection? No point in me arguing against that if it's not your position.
Johann, don't think I don't love you because you are always in my prayers.
My "point of view" is the article of this post.
btw, it's not opinion I dont teach opinion I teach Gods breathed message.
You didn't ask a question in your OP. You gave your view. I asked you a question, two questions, that you haven't answered, and instead wasted all this time in vanities.
Much love!
That was my first question which he has steadfastly avoided answering. I'm certain there is a reason for that!
Much love!
Lambano
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Gotta love this one too.
The Lord has done a good work in you, Sis. But it didn't happen overnight. ("God grant me patience - and I want it RIGHT NOW!")
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This was the closest thing to an answer, though you were not being direct. You are not here saying that repentance, which means stopping sin, means that you don't sin, which seems to be your OP claim, only that Jesus didn't tell believers to be "perfect", or mature if you mean the Biblical usage, which isn't really true.
There was no accusation, only a question, are you claiming that you have repented, and therefore no longer sin? Or is your repentance false (according to your terms), as you continue to sin?
In saying I've accused you, that is the false accusation.
Now. Enough nonsense, your reply will tell me all I need to know if you are serious here or not.
Have you repented, and therefore no longer sin?
Much love!
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You are the one defining cessation of sin as being perfect.
You need to stop applying your error to my beliefs,
I've stated WILLFUL sin is what repentance is turning from.
I'm teaching true repentance is you go and sin no more as Jesus taught.
Jesus never taught you can live perfectly sinless by telling her go and sin no more.
That's what you think I'm teaching.
The story in my OP teaches sin is corrected when one repents,
Matthew 21:29,
- he answered and said I will not but afterwards he repented and went
Jesus teaches cessation of sin when one repents.
I dont interpret this means you never sin again.
That's your accusation against me.
Willful sin is stopped when one repents.
Many that reject repentance has anything to do with stopping sin teach you can repent live in sin yet you have repented.
Jesus proves this is not Biblical repentance.
Now the question I've asked you, you have not answered.
I don't play games.
So, you can answer my question or stop bothering me.
In the story of the son in the vineyard.
Could he have repented if he did not go and work in his fathers vineyard?
Or could he have repented and chose to not go and work?
You need to stop applying your error to my beliefs,
Your question has me answering if I never sin, which is not my belief or position.
I've stated WILLFUL sin is what repentance is turning from.
I'm teaching true repentance is you go and sin no more as Jesus taught.
Jesus never taught you can live perfectly sinless by telling her go and sin no more.
That's what you think I'm teaching.
The story in my OP teaches sin is corrected when one repents,
Matthew 21:29,
- he answered and said I will not but afterwards he repented and went
Jesus teaches cessation of sin when one repents.
I dont interpret this means you never sin again.
That's your accusation against me.
Willful sin is stopped when one repents.
Many that reject repentance has anything to do with stopping sin teach you can repent live in sin yet you have repented.
Jesus proves this is not Biblical repentance.
Now the question I've asked you, you have not answered.
I don't play games.
So, you can answer my question or stop bothering me.
In the story of the son in the vineyard.
Could he have repented if he did not go and work in his fathers vineyard?
Or could he have repented and chose to not go and work?
Ceasing to sin = Jesus' command go and sin no more, which means strive every day to resist temptation, work on resisting areas where you are weak, hate sin like King David because you have a change of heart because you feel sorrow everytime you go against God.
Sinless perfection = a made up doctrine used against those who believe in repentance of sins. A derogatory attack used as a straw man to make it appear the opponents position is impossible making him look "holier than thou" and his belief appear fallacious. A false accusation that one is teaching that we must and can never sin again. An impossibility for all mankind only Jesus is sinlessly perfect.
I agree here-it's called "theosis" nowhere to be found in Scripture @Titus and I find comfort in Romans 7.
J.
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