What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

[Ronald Nolette]

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


The 24,000 slain Jews of Numbers 25:9 obviously refused to confess their sin.

They thus breached their covenant with God, and thus suffered His judgment and punishment.

Their Jewish DNA did not save them from the consequence of their unconfessed sin then.

Their Jewish DNA does not save them from from the consequence of their unconfessed sin today.

Their Jewish DNA will not save them from from the consequence of their unconfessed sin in the future.

YOu cannot know that. YOu were not there and it is not written whether they confessed or not. You can speculate all you wish, but wiothout scriptural evidence your guessing could be from 0-100% wrong.

Maybe you should spend some time in the OT, specifically the major and minor prophets to see that teh New Covenant applies to a different time period to the DNA Jews.

Also in the church age which we are living in -if they do not trust Jesus as Messiah they go to the lake of fire.

but that future generation at the end of the tribulation that survive?

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

This is for DNA Jews.

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

this also is for DNA Jews.

Romans 11:25-28

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

This also is for DNA Jews.

Jeremiah 31:31-37

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

This also is for DNA Jews.

Hebrews 8:7-13

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7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

This also is for DNA Jews.

That does not negate that we Gentiles are grafted onto teh vine and receive blessings and salvation. IN this church age we all become one body in christ and not one body as Israel.

You obviously didn't learn anything from them.

They were worshipping the Jesus who saved them by the shed Blood of His New Covenant at Calvary.

You weren't.

Well I have learned to know what you think obvious isn't necessary so. but I take it you didn't bother to read the link I gave, like I read the link you gave me.

And I worship Jesus who shed His blood for me on the cross- despite what lies you wish to believe.

Bro. Arnold affirms the following:

"Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church". He then cites Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 8:6-13, et al, the same Scriptures as cited by the Jews for Jesus.

See that? Hebrews 8:6-13.

Connected to The Church.

The only duel is between you and Bro. Arnold.

The New Covenant and NT Church were born 2,000 years ago.

Clearly Bro. Arnold disagrees with your claim that the New Covenant "has not gone in to effect yet".

Nor is there any nonsense about "establish" vs. "fulfill".

Better retake that Christianity 101 class that you've flunked.

And have a talk with Bro. Arnold.

Obviously you do selective reading.

Read page 35- "Participants in the covenant" God and Israel. Period.
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Also page 35 "provisions of the covenant- God and Israel alone.

Page 37 "importance of the covenant", shows that we gentiles become partakers of the spiritual blessings God has designed for Israel (salvation thru Jesus)

Page 37 t the end "The relationship of the church to the new Covenant. I agree the church has a connection to teh new. we are saved by the blood which purchased the ands guaranteed the New Covenant for Israel. I have never denied this nor does Dr. Fruchtenbaum. As He said, the chruch is a beneficiary of the covenant God made with Israel, not a taker over of the covenant. this was prophesied many times in the prophets of the OT.

sorry but I do not have a problem with Dr. Fruchtenbaum at all, but with those who would try to foist replacement theology on people in some measure.

 

[covenantee]

YOu cannot know that. YOu were not there and it is not written whether they confessed or not. You can speculate all you wish, but wiothout scriptural evidence your guessing could be from 0-100% wrong.

I know it from the Scriptural evidence in 1 John 1:9.

So you don't think 1 John 1:9 is Scriptural evidence?

What kind of evidence do you think it is?

Maybe you should spend some time in the OT, specifically the major and minor prophets to see that teh New Covenant applies to a different time period to the DNA Jews.

Maybe you should tell us why Bro. Arnold doesn't subscribe to your "established" vs. "fulfilled" nonsense.

Then maybe you should tell us why Jesus didn't subscribe to your "different time period" nonsense for His Jewish DNA disciples in Matthew 26:28.

 

[covenantee]

no where is the church found anywhere in the new covenant.

Better not let Bro. Arnold see that.

Bro. Arnold:
"Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church".

Since you believe in being literal, you obviously literally crawled inside the literal new covenant and literally looked for a literal church therein.

Describe that experience for us.

 

[covenantee]

And I worship Jesus who shed His blood for me on the cross- despite what lies you wish to believe.

You don't. You deny Jesus' New Covenant, and thus you deny His Blood of His New Covenant. Matthew 26.28

That's not the Jesus that His disciples worshipped.

That's not the Jesus that I worship.

That's not the Jesus that every New Covenant Christian worships.

 

[covenantee]

And I know Jews for Jesus. I have even worshipped with them in Israel.

Then you shouldn't be afraid to have them explain the fulfilled New Covenant to you.

 

[covenantee]

It is a Jewish covenant and nothing in Hebrews 8-10 contradicts this.

It is a covenant with the faithful and obedient of Israel and Judah, which includes both Jews and Gentiles from the beginning. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

You just can't seem to remember that God is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I know it from the Scriptural evidence in 1 John 1:9.

So you don't think 1 John 1:9 is Scriptural evidence?

What kind of evidence do you think it is?

It is evidence for the church not OT Israel. also even one who confesses their sin, can still experience the consequences of their sin.

Ex: A man has sex with a hooker who has aids. He confesses his sin, but contracts aids and dies. He is forgiven but still experiences consequences.

Maybe you should tell us why Bro. Arnold doesn't subscribe to your "established" vs. "fulfilled" nonsense.

Then maybe you should tell us why Jesus didn't subscribe to your "different time period" nonsense for His Jewish DNA disciples in Matthew 26:28.

He does. You didn't read well. Maybe you should write to him, he will answer you. All he said was the church has a connection to the New Covenant which I agree. We receive benefits but the covenant is not the churches nor gentiles.
As for Matt. 26? It doesn't tell us if just jews or Jews or gentiles are included. It just says for many! But we know that Jew and Gentile are saved by the blood which purchased the covenant found in Jer. 31.

Why do you have such a hard time accepting Jer. 31 as it is written? How can you see gentiles in that passage at all? How can you see it fulfilled since Jesus day?

Better not let Bro. Arnold see that.

Bro. Arnold:
"Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church".

Since you believe in being literal, you obviously literally crawled inside the literal new covenant and literally looked for a literal church therein.

Describe that experience for us.

Well you define connect too loosely. I( sat under Dr. Fruchtenbaum when he spoke of the New covenant and its relationship to the church. It was an hour long teaching. Connect means exactly what Paul wrote in Romans 11- we receive benefits from the covenant in spiritual things (salvation being the biggestr) but the covenant doesn't belong to teh church.

Find me a passage that explicitly says the New Covenant as spelled out in Jer. 31 and Hebrews 8 has either transferred or includes the church and you win.

You don't. You deny Jesus' New Covenant, and thus you deny His Blood of His New Covenant. Matthew 26.28

YOu should stop trying to play god that is the height of arrogance and pride. It brought Lucifer down and it will bring you down as well! show me in the Word that saying what is written in Jer. 31 is what the new covenant is about denies the blood. I am glad Jesus is my Savior and not you. You are too legalistic.

I accept the New covenant as written and applied in the Word and not some allegorical reinterpretation as you and spiritual Israelite are trying to force down peoples throats.

That's not the Jesus that His disciples worshipped.

That's not the Jesus that I worship.

That's not the Jesus that every New Covenant Christian worships.

As well as playing God, you are now saying you know what the disiples and tens of millions of believers think and believe! WOW!

Then you shouldn't be afraid to have them explain the fulfilled New Covenant to you.

I didn't know that Jews for Jesus have papal infallibility in their writings. Maybe you should listen to Dr. Fruchtenbaum and the Scriptures when they say that the New Covenant is made between god and Israel alone.

See also Is. 55:3,59:21,61:8-9, Jer. 32:40, Ez. 16:60, 37:26-28, Rom. 11:26-27 Why do you deny these teachings from Scripture???

In Jer.31 god made this covenant with both the houses of Israel and Judah, PERIOD! Why do you reject this?

Paul writes:
Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

The Gentiles or church are not mentioned here!

Ephesians 2:11-13

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11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Why do you not accept this as written? We are made close not by becoming some kind of 'spiritual Israelite" but because of the blood shed. we know th eblood is the price paid to insure the covenant and according to both the OT and NT we as gentiles are beiong called to be a people for Jesus name. but as for the New covenant?

Even Paul affirms teh covenant is for Israel:

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Read verse 27 3 times. And if you are unsure, put it into the context it was written in ! Paul is talking about ethnic Israel and says "this is my covenant with them"!

It is a covenant with the faithful and obedient of Israel and Judah, which includes both Jews and Gentiles from the beginning. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

You just can't seem to remember that God is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

YOu are wrong again! It is with the houses of Israel and Judah=all of Israael. Once again let me post the Scriptures about who and when the covenant is fulfilled. That will be my next post

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It is a covenant with the faithful and obedient of Israel and Judah, which includes both Jews and Gentiles from the beginning. Genesis 17:12; Exodus 12:48-49; Leviticus 19:34; Leviticus 24:22

You just can't seem to remember that God is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

1. You rcontinuing to lie about me just shows how juvenile you can descend to.

And it is a covenant with all of Israel! Once again here are the verses uninterpreted that prove that:

Ezekiel 20:33-38

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33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

This is for DNA Israelis. Please note God purges. this is important.

Zechariah 13:8-9

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8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

First a reminder. when God says it shall come to pass- it will come to pass!

Here He declares all Israel will be refined and saved. And that all Israel after 2/3 are purged. So a time is coming when 2/3 of Israelis will die (purged as promised in Ez.) and the 1/3 left are saved.

Here is when the New Covenant is fulfilled as written:

Jeremiah 31:31-37

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

He shows how the Mosaic Covenant was not kept and broken. When did god make a prior covenant with the church that the church broke?

2 Corinthians 3:13-16

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13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

Paul in Romans 11 speaks of a remnant, and here in Corinthians shows why it is just a remnant.

And then back in romans 11 Paul also explains why it is just a remnant:

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

One of the mysteries of the OT was that God through Jesus was going to call out of the gentiles a people for His name!

But when the full number of Gentiles is called out?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The Church is blessed infinitely because of the new covenant (specifically because of the blood shed) but the covenant is exclusively the property of God and Israel.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I know what it means

But, you don't want to tell me what you think it means? I'm asking you to tell me what you think it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled. Am I asking too much? If you know what it means, then please tell me so that I don't have to guess as to what you think that means.

Well re read the covenant in Hebrews 8 and Jer. 31 and show where it says Gentiles.

It doesn't have to say it. It's about the new covenant established by the shed blood of Christ. Did he not also shed His blood for the Gentiles? Of course he did, right? Should we just ignore that?

Gentiles are saved by th eblood of Jesus and we are grafted onto the vine (Jesus) but no where is the church found anywhere in the new covenant.

Nonsense! The new covenant is all about the shed blood of Christ providing for salvation and the forgiveness of sins. How can you think that doesn't apply to both Jews and Gentiles in the church? Have you ever actually read the New Testament? It seems that you never have. Are you somehow not aware that the NT teaches that Gentiles are fellow citizens and fellow heirs of God's promises with the Jews (believers only, of course)? That means we are fellow heirs of the blessings of the new covenant as well. We receive salvation and the forgiveness of sins by way of the new covenant just as Jews do.

If it is, lease show me where Gentiles or the church are specifically listed.

Here is Jesus talking to His disciples about the new covenant which relates to Him shedding His blood for their sins (but not just their sins).

Luke 22 :19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Here is Paul talking about the new covenant to an audence of Jew and Gentile believers in Corinth:

1 Corinthians 1123 :For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Can you see here how Paul was telling believers, including Gentiles, that they should remember what Jesus did for them, by shedding His blood of the new covenant? That shows that His shed blood of the new covenant was for Gentiles as well.

This is an elementary teaching of Christianity that I'm talking about here. For you to not even understand something so fundamental as this makes me wonder if you understand anything.

We are not talking about salvation, but the terms spelled out in the covenant as written.

The new covenant is all about salvation! How can you not see that? Do you somehow not know that it is the shed blood of Christ that established the new covenant? How can you think that doesn't relate to salvation? He said Himself that His shed blood was for the new covenant and the remission of sins.

No, I fully understand Hebrews 8-10. YO make a mistake in your writing. In Hebrews 10 "once for all" is nnot written to apply to everyone, but it is written to say the blood of Jesus was shed once for all time.

LOL. You are twisting scripture to fit your doctrine. You are absolutely wrong about this. He shed His blood literally for all people and that is what "once for all" means. That's why in 1 John 2:1-2 John said He is the atoning sacrifice for not only our sins but the sins of the whole world. Other verses in Hebrews confirm that it's talking about all people as well.

Hebrews 7:27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.

This verse shows that He made the sacrifice for the sins of the people "once for all". Once for all people, including the Gentiles.

Keep it in context and you see it is in contrast to teh constant blood offerings of bulls and goats (Jewish not gentile practices).

Of course it is. What is your point? His sacrifice made it so that the animal sacrifices that the Jews performed were no longer needed. This doesn't mean He didn't also make His sacrifice for the Gentiles. What are you even thinking here? Do you not believe that Jesus made a sacrifice for your sins? What is going on here? What religion do you follow?

And no, I do not make the blood of Jesus only for Jews, nor have I even implied such. th eopposite is true.

Then why can't you acknowledge that His sacrifice of shedding His blood for the new covenant applies to Gentile believers as well?

But the Covenant as written is a jewish covenant just like the Mosaic covenjant which it replaced is a Jewish and not a gentile covenant.

You keep forgetting that scripture teaches that Gentile believers are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Jewish believers of God's promises. Is that something you just can't bring yourself to accept even though it is explicitly taught in scripture (Ephesians 2:11-3:6)?

It says it is specifically for the house of Israel and Judah which means the 12 tribes that make up Israel!

Yes, but it is for Gentiles as well. That's why Paul referred to what Jesus said about the new covenant and told his Gentile audience to remember what Jesus did for them by shedding His blood in order to establish the new covenant. It is for Gentiles as well regardless of what the OT prophecy says. Remember, that Gentiles are follow heirs with Jews of God's promises was kept a mystery in OT times (Ephesians 3:1-6. But, it's not a mystery anymore. Except to people like you who don't want to accept what is taught in the New Testament, such as in Ephesians 2:11-3:6.

It is a Jewish covenant and nothing in Hebrews 8-10 contradicts this. Remember the writer is writing to Jews specifically It should be obvious to all seeing how He contrasts the superiority of the blood of Jesus (which purchased and established the New covenant) in comparison to the Old Mosaic Covenant.

Read ALL of the New Testament and you can see that it is applied to Gentile believers as well. You have no excuse for your ignorance.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But, you don't want to tell me what you think it means? I'm asking you to tell me what you think it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled. Am I asking too much? If you know what it means, then please tell me so that I don't have to guess as to what you think that means.

Well I shall let you tell me and then I can agree or disagree. I don't even remember what you asked the meaning of.

It doesn't have to say it. It's about the new covenant established by the shed blood of Christ. Did he not also shed His blood for the Gentiles? Of course he did, right? Should we just ignore that?

So are you saying God has made 2 new covenants?

Nonsense! The new covenant is all about the shed blood of Christ providing for salvation and the forgiveness of sins. How can you think that doesn't apply to both Jews and Gentiles in the church? Have you ever actually read the New Testament? It seems that you never have. Are you somehow not aware that the NT teaches that Gentiles are fellow citizens and fellow heirs of God's promises with the Jews (believers only, of course)? That means we are fellow heirs of the blessings of the new covenant as well. We receive salvation and the forgiveness of sins by way of the new covenant just as Jews do.

The blood applies to sav e both Jew and Gentile. but show me where teh church or Gentiles are found in teh New Covenant God will establish with Israel?

Jeremiah 31:31-38

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

Hebrews 8:8-13

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8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Please show me anywhere when the church or Gentiles had an old covenant with God that had to be dissolved due to disobedience.

show me anywhere in these two cits of the new covenant where the church or gentiles are mentioned?

Here is Jesus talking to His disciples about the new covenant which relates to Him shedding His blood for their sins (but not just their sins).

Luke 22 :19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Here is Paul talking about the new covenant to an audence of Jew and Gentile believers in Corinth:

1 Corinthians 1123 :For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

Can you see here how Paul was telling believers, including Gentiles, that they should remember what Jesus did for them, by shedding His blood of the new covenant? That shows that His shed blood of the new covenant was for Gentiles as well.

This is an elementary teaching of Christianity that I'm talking about here. For you to not even understand something so fundamental as this makes me wonder if you understand anything.

And I agree with everything here except your last line.

Jesus blood guaranteed the covenant and the church is the spiritual beneficiaries of the new Covenant- but the covenant was not made with the church, but to Israel.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Romans 11:25-29

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The church is a beneficiary of the Covenant but the covenant belongs to Israel. Paul and the writer of Hebrews confirmed it!

The new covenant is all about salvation! How can you not see that? Do you somehow not know that it is the shed blood of Christ that established the new covenant? How can you think that doesn't relate to salvation? He said Himself that His shed blood was for the new covenant and the remission of sins.

Now you say what I have said many times! Jesus blood established the covenant written in Jer. 31. His blood is all about salvation not just for Jews but for Gentiles as wel;l. but the covenant as written in Jer. and confimred by Paul and Heb. 8 has not been fulfilled.

Yes, but it is for Gentiles as well. That's why Paul referred to what Jesus said about the new covenant and told his Gentile audience to remember what Jesus did for them by shedding His blood in order to establish the new covenant. It is for Gentiles as well regardless of what the OT prophecy says. Remember, that Gentiles are follow heirs with Jews of God's promises was kept a mystery in OT times (Ephesians 3:1-6. But, it's not a mystery anymore. Except to people like you who don't want to accept what is taught in the New Testament, such as in Ephesians 2:11-3:6.

We Gentiles receive the spiritual benefits of the covenant, but remember we are grafted on to teh vcine and not natural branches. The natural branches still have their place. I have shown the Scriptures several times already showing god will fulfill the new Covenant He mad with Israel alone. we are just beneficiaries and not a subject of the covenant as written. Why can't you see that????

 

[covenantee]

It is evidence for the church not OT Israel. also even one who confesses their sin, can still experience the consequences of their sin.

But you believe that the Israelites were immune to the consequences of sin because of their Jewish DNA.

He does. You didn't read well. Maybe you should write to him, he will answer you. All he said was the church has a connection to the New Covenant which I agree.

Provide a verbatim copy/paste of Bro. Arnold describing the New Covenant connection with the Church as "not gone in to effect yet", as you claim.

As for Matt. 26? It doesn't tell us if just jews or Jews or gentiles are included.

The disciples were Jews. You claim that the New Covenant did not then, and does not now, include Jews.

Jesus wasn't listening to you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well I shall let you tell me and then I can agree or disagree. I don't even remember what you asked the meaning of.

Are you even reading everything I'm saying? I specifically said "I'm asking you to tell me what you think it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled.". And you're telling me you don't know what I'm asking you the meaning of? Are you kidding me? And then you're trying to pass it off on me when you're the one who was telling me that I don't know what it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled? The onus is on you to back up what you said if you want to be taken seriously. But, it looks like you just say things without being able to back them up.

So are you saying God has made 2 new covenants?

Of course I'm not! This is such a waste of time. You say some of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

The blood applies to sav e both Jew and Gentile. but show me where teh church or Gentiles are found in teh New Covenant God will establish with Israel?

Good grief, man! Are you for real? So, when Paul tells Gentiles to remember the new covenant that is represented by the cup of win that Jesus was holding at the last supper, is that a different new covenant than the one we're talking about? Of course it is not. There is only one new covenant and Paul was telling Gentiles to remember what Christ did to establish and to take part in it by observing the Lord's Supper. That means they too are saved and have the forgiveness of sins under the new covenant. You clearly have no understanding of the new covenant at all because you refuse to look at any text besides Jeremiah 31 to see what the new covenant is really all about.

Jeremiah 31:31-38​

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Hebrews 8:8-13​

Please show me anywhere when the church or Gentiles had an old covenant with God that had to be dissolved due to disobedience.​

show me anywhere in these two cits of the new covenant where the church or gentiles are mentioned?

My goodness, man! Do you not read even half of what I say? You said this before and I showed you a passage in 1 Corinthians 11 where Paul applies the new covenant to his Gentile audience. So, who cares if Gentiles are mentioned specifically in Jeremiah 31 or not? They are associated with the new covenant in other passages. You refuse to look at scripture as a whole for the truth and insist on drawing conclusions from one passage instead.

And I agree with everything here except your last line.

Jesus blood guaranteed the covenant and the church is the spiritual beneficiaries of the new Covenant- but the covenant was not made with the church, but to Israel.

It was originally made to Israel, but the mystery is that it is made also to the Gentiles. That mystery is revealed in the New Testament. Gentile believers are fellow citizens and fellow heirs of God's promises with Israelite believers (Ephesians 2:11-3:6). Why is it still a mystery to you?

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Romans 11:25-29​

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25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Do you just ignore everything within Romans 9-11 that talks about Gentile believers being grafted in and made one together with Israelite believers in relation to God's promises? Your cherry picking of scripture shows that you just pick and choose which parts of the Bible you accept that you can use to support your doctrine while you reject the rest that give the full picture of God's promises and His plans for the world.

The church is a beneficiary of the Covenant but the covenant belongs to Israel. Paul and the writer of Hebrews confirmed it!

This is the most nonsensical thing you could possibly say. The church is a beneficiary but the covenant doesn't belong to them? Total nonsense! The church consists of both Jew and Gentile believers. The covenant belongs to all who are in the church, which is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:15-16). Your attempt to divide what the blood of Christ has brought together as one (Jew and Gentile believers) is unacceptable.

Now you say what I have said many times! Jesus blood established the covenant written in Jer. 31. His blood is all about salvation not just for Jews but for Gentiles as wel;l. but the covenant as written in Jer. and confimred by Paul and Heb. 8 has not been fulfilled.

Why do you say this and what do you even mean by that exactly? You said yourself that "His blood is all about salvation not just for Jews but for Gentiles as well". So, when people are saved, is that not what fulfills the new covenant since that is what the new covenant is all about? How else can it be fulfilled?

We Gentiles receive the spiritual benefits of the covenant, but remember we are grafted on to teh vcine and not natural branches.

So what?! You act like this makes Gentiles inferior. But, we are FELLOW HEIRS with them of God's promises. We are on equal standing as them. We are all one in Christ Jesus where there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:26-29). You don't seem to have any understanding of that whatsoever.

The natural branches still have their place.

What does this even mean? The wild branches have been grafted in with them and are together with them as one with no difference between them. You continue to show your ignorance regarding the New Testament.

Romans 10:11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

What is it that you don't understand about the fact that "there is no difference between Jew and Gentile"? You try to make a difference, but you contradict scripture by doing so.

I have shown the Scriptures several times already showing god will fulfill the new Covenant He mad with Israel alone. we are just beneficiaries and not a subject of the covenant as written. Why can't you see that????

I refuse to accept your false teaching which is based on taking cherry picked scriptures out of context without seeking the full counsel of the word of God by looking at all of scripture.

 

[jeffweeder]

God's new Cov belongs to.....see bolded words below.


16 “For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send the Son into the world to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him]. 19 This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]: the Light has come into the world, and people loved the rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light [but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned. 21 But whoever practices truth [and does what is right—morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light, so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are—accomplished in God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him].”

Matt 8
11 I say to you that many [Gentiles] will come from east and west, and will sit down [to feast at the table, and enjoy God’s promises] with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven [because they accepted Me as Savior], 12 while the sons and heirs of the kingdom [the descendants of Abraham who will not recognize Me as Messiah] will be thrown out into the outer darkness; in that place [which is farthest removed from the kingdom] there will be weeping [in sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [in distress and anger].”

 

[covenantee]

Find me a passage that explicitly says the New Covenant as spelled out in Jer. 31 and Hebrews 8 has either transferred or includes the church and you win.

Hebrews 8:6
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

There's your pet word "established". It is expressed in the past tense, thus in effect when written. What does it mean?

Hebrews 8:6 Greek

3549 [e]
nenomothetētai
νενομοθέτηται .
has been enacted
V-RIM/P-3S

en·act
[eˈnakt, iˈnakt]
verb
enact (verb) · enacts (third person present) · enacted (past tense) · enacted (past participle) · enacting (present participle)
make (a bill or other proposal) law:
"legislation was enacted in 1987 to attract international companies"
put into practice (a belief, idea, or suggestion).

You claim that the New Covenant "has not gone in to effect yet". That's equivalent to saying that it has not been put into practice yet.

But Hebrews 8:6 declares that it was established, i.e. has been enacted, i.e. has been put into practice.

Hebrews 8:6 invalidates your claim.

So does Bro. Arnold:
"The New Covenant itself is an unconditional covenant and therefore eternally in effect".

Present tense.

 

[covenantee]

It is evidence for the church not OT Israel. also even one who confesses their sin, can still experience the consequences of their sin.

Thousands of Jews sinned, and God punished them with death.

Their Jewish DNA didn't save them then, or now, or in the future.

If there were any Gentiles among the 24000, they too were slain.

God's justice was and is impartial.

DNA was and is irrelevant. God was and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

 

[Brakelite]

What the earth will look like during the 1000 years of Jesus's reign...

“8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."
2 Peter 3:8-10 KJV

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“4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard. 5 That which groweth of its own accord of thy harvest thou shalt not reap, neither gather the grapes of thy vine undressed: for it is a year of rest unto the land. ”
Leviticus 25:4-5 KJV

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“26 And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them. 27 Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you. 28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink. 29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts. 30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. 31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD. 32 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth. 33 And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground. ”
Jeremiah 25:26-33 KJV

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“18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. 19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited. 23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. ”
Isaiah 24:18-23 KJV

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“1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. 2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. 3 The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word. 4 The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish. 5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left. ”
Isaiah 24:1-6 KJV

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“11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. 12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. 13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger. ”
Isaiah 13:11-13 KJV

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“18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. ”
Revelation 16:18-20 KJV
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I don't know about you folk, but considering the state of the earth after the second coming, bodies everywhere, utter destruction throughout the world, nothing left standing including the mountains, I really don't want to be here. You are welcome to it. But you'll be lonely. Oh, except for the demons. The only survivors.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Are you even reading everything I'm saying? I specifically said "I'm asking you to tell me what you think it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled.". And you're telling me you don't know what I'm asking you the meaning of? Are you kidding me? And then you're trying to pass it off on me when you're the one who was telling me that I don't know what it means for the new covenant to be fulfilled? The onus is on you to back up what you said if you want to be taken seriously. But, it looks like you just say things without being able to back them up.

Okay, here is the answer. In order for something to be fuilfilled it has to meet all the conditions laid out . In this in order for teh new covenant to be fulfilled it has to meet this:

Jeremiah 31:33-38

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33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.
38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

show me from history when all the se provisions of this covenant as written have been fulfilled and I will agree with you that the new covenant is fulfilled.

Of course I'm not! This is such a waste of time. You say some of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen.

Well I need to ask you because you do not seem to understand what teh Covenant says!

Look above- that is the entire content of the New covenant!

So what?! You act like this makes Gentiles inferior. But, we are FELLOW HEIRS with them of God's promises. We are on equal standing as them. We are all one in Christ Jesus where there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Galatians 3:26-29). You don't seem to have any understanding of that whatsoever.

As far as teh covenant and promises? Yes we are for those were made to Israel and not to us. But as far as salvation goes? Now we are equals and joit heirs of salvation- but not joint heirs of the covenants. Paul made that crystal clear in romans.

What does this even mean? The wild branches have been grafted in with them and are together with them as one with no difference between them. You continue to show your ignorance regarding the New Testament.

Romans 10:11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

What is it that you don't understand about the fact that "there is no difference between Jew and Gentile"? You try to make a difference, but you contradict scripture by doing so.

You are mixing salvation with the terms of the covenant as spelled out in Jer. 31 and Heb. 8. they are two different subjects.

This is the most nonsensical thing you could possibly say. The church is a beneficiary but the covenant doesn't belong to them? Total nonsense! The church consists of both Jew and Gentile believers. The covenant belongs to all who are in the church, which is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:15-16). Your attempt to divide what the blood of Christ has brought together as one (Jew and Gentile believers) is unacceptable.

Well you need to take that up with god and Paul.

Romans 9:4
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Once again you err in thinking that receiving a benefit from a covenant God made with Israel equals being part of the covenant. It doesn't. It just means we benefit from it as was prophesied.

I refuse to accept your false teaching which is based on taking cherry picked scriptures out of context without seeking the full counsel of the word of God by looking at all of scripture.

Well seeing as I picked the most salient verses concerning the covenant, and as you accuse me of cherry picking- now prove it with facts instead of mere accusation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hebrews 8:6
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

There's your pet word "established". It is expressed in the past tense, thus in effect when written. What does it mean?

I fully believe it was established or made law. so just show all of us when the conditions god laid out in the covenant went into effect.

Jeremiah 31:31-37

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

and I think you are smart enough to know that if something is established, does not mean it has gone into effect. Established means to pass a law. I also think you are smart enough to know that enact does mot mean fulfilled.

enact
i-ˈnakt
verb
enacted; enacting; enacts

1. to establish by legal and authoritative actto make into law

ful·fill
[fo͝olˈfil]
verb

1. 
   
2. bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted
   

   You claim that the New Covenant "has not gone in to effect yet". That's equivalent to saying that it has not been put into practice yet.

   Once again, just show me from history when the provisions of the new covenant as written in Jer. 31 and Hebrews 8 have gone into effect yet.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Thousands of Jews sinned, and God punished them with death.

Their Jewish DNA didn't save them then, or now, or in the future.

If there were any Gentiles among the 24000, they too were slain.

God's justice was and is impartial.

DNA was and is irrelevant. God was and is not a racist, nor can He be contorted into one.

Thousands of Jews die now and go to hell. So? Once again because you practice a form of replacement theology you gorget God made promises He called etewrnal to the nation of Israel. Matter of fact He called Israel the Apple of His eye! sounds like He is playing a little favorite to me also God said this:

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

And jsut because god has chosen to save the 1/3 of Israel that survives the tribulation, it makes HIm god and not a rqacist. If you can even go down that road, then the problem lies in your thinking and not with god nor His Word.

 

[covenantee]

I fully believe it was established or made law. so just show all of us when the conditions god laid out in the covenant went into effect.

Jeremiah 31:31-37​

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

and I think you are smart enough to know that if something is established, does not mean it has gone into effect. Established means to pass a law. I also think you are smart enough to know that enact does mot mean fulfilled.

enact
i-ˈnakt
verb
enacted; enacting; enacts

1. to establish by legal and authoritative actto make into law

ful·fill
[fo͝olˈfil]
verb

1. 
   
2. bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted
   
   Once again, just show me from history when the provisions of the new covenant as written in Jer. 31 and Hebrews 8 have gone into effect yet.

You ignored Bro. Arnold.

I'm waiting to hear why.

What's your excuse?