Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Taken]

No. Synonyms. Both are verbs, created and made.

Body AND Soul ARE different things.
Mind AND Spirit ARE different things.
Create AND Make ARE different things.
Sin AND Trespass ARE different things.
Like AND Hate ARE different things.
Like AND Love ARE different things.

The Human BODY is CREATED….AND…Then MADE a person. Two separated things.

Words with different meanings can both be verbs.

 

[face2face]

It was self sacrifice.

True it was.

He gained nothing except to be restored to what He did have before...

Restored?

the glory He shared with the Father before creation.

The Glory doesnt change Brakelite!

You minimise the love of God by suggesting there was self interest.

You diminish his reliance on faith and take away that which pleased his Father?
“Without faith it is impossible to please God”

“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ”
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV

Correct "in" Christ

Did you miss this?

Therefore we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making His plea through us. 2 Co 5:20.

You understand?

Unfeigned Bible
There was nothing Christ received as a result of His sacrifice that didn't include mankind.

Consider the facts:

Nothing Christ recieved you say?

He inherited:

- All things
- A name
- A position at the right hand of the Father on high
- A Kingdom
- A Throne of his father David
- A Peoples

The further we go into this discussion is revealing, for it shows how far away you are from truth. Denying the existence of fallen angels

Absolutely Brakelite!
Those who possess the Divine Nature of God cannot sin!
Sin requires flesh and blood and the potential for a double mind - Divine Nature does not have a double mind else your reward is what? To sin eternally? You havn't thoought this through...

and of the devil...

To mean false accuser! often a person, but here is spoken of as sins power and the devil is said to be be destroyed!

Hebrews 2:14 (ESV) says:

"Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil."

denying the prime purpose of Calvary was for the redemption of man...

Ah nice twist Brakelite, and you know I've never said that! Christ sacrifice was not the prime reason for his death!

Romans 3:21 (ESV) says:

"But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it."

I've shown you many times why Jesus was sacrificed and still you know nothing?

Jesus manifested the righeousness of God FIRST!...before anything else...

claiming the sacrifice of Christ was founded on self interest...

No, again you fail to understand!

Christ benefited from his own death as a result of his selfless sacrifice! If you are not able to understand this you ought to read your Bible more until you do.

In affect what you are saying to me is Christ did not want to be saved from death which is a stupid unlearned thing to say - no doubt one you will regret!

Hebrews 5:7 (ESV) says:

"In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence."

denying the Divinity of Christ...

If you mean Divinity in body - no! in, Mind, absoultely!!!!!

denying Christ's true Sonship to His Father.

His Sonship was not predicated on him preexisting Brakelite...His Sonship was predicated on him being raised from the dead by the blood of the new covenant in his blood!

You are in a deep mess. The further we go, the further you expose your apostasy.

We can see who is in a mess Brakelite and its not me.

I'll give you time to correct your error!

F2F

 

[face2face]

It's NOT a doctrine -

John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt."
- Mark Twain

Do you believe the Son of Man was in Heaven? Originated in Heaven, as a man?

 

[Wrangler]

Words with different meanings can both be verbs.

We are not talking potential but actual. Did you actually look up how create and made are synonyms?

 

[Taken]

No. Synonyms. Both are verbs, created and made.

And what verse did you quote

Genesis 3:3

English Standard Version

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3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

Error…Should have been…

Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Who IS the MAKER? God
Who is the MAKER? Gods Word

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

WITHOUT….”him who”?

Do you know WHAT God Named His Word?

 

[Brakelite]

I believe this was in the context of you saying "Christ needed not to be redeemed".

That has well and truly been proven false in this thread.

F2F

Only in your your own misguided wresting of Scripture. You prove nothing except your own lack of understanding.

 

[face2face]

Only in your your own misguided wresting of Scripture. You prove nothing except your own lack of understanding.

But you haven't addressed the key passages, of which I provided at least nine examples to Johann.

The fact that you can't agree that Jesus declared the righteousness of God astonishes me, as this is one of the clearest teachings evident throughout his entire ministry!

F2F

 

[Keiw]

Hebrew says Elohim is PLURAL

In the beginning
בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ)
Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular
Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part

God
אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm)
Noun - masculine plural
Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

God will show the world he is a single being. Those serving any other god are breaking his #1 commandment daily.
In the Hebrew language=100% fact( look it up) Elohim translates-the supreme one, or the mighty one.
It can be used as plural for the false trinity gods served by some in the ot days.

 

[face2face]

@Brakelite

This is what Christ was raised up to overcome. He held the potential to manifest this mind because he was born of a woman and born under the Law for which sin was increased!

The condemnation of death reigns over all peoples including the Christ and it was from this condemnation God sought to remove in the body and offering of His Son.

If you fail to see the problem Brakelite how can you see the solution?

 

[face2face]

@Brakelite

The solution was for God to raise up a man who would develope the spiritual mind and by doing offer himself as a living sacrifice.

In doing so, God condemned sin in the flesh and removed sin's condemnation and death.

 

[face2face]

You will note the carnal mind is FLESH & BLOOD however, the Spiritual Mind when manifested in a Spiritual Body CANNOT sin!

Divine Nature does not have the potential for a double mind as its only source is God

 

[face2face]

If, as you @Brakelite believe, then we ought not to be conformed to Heaven (thinking) where you believe sin reigns also!

"THIS WORLD!!!"

 

[Taken]

We are not talking potential but actual. Did you actually look up how create and made are synonyms?

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God “formed” man of the dust of the ground,
^ CREATED
and
“breathed into” his nostrils the breath of life
^ MADE
and
man became a living soul.
^ PERSON (Body with a Soul)

Conjunctions!

 

[face2face]

@Brakelite

Was Jesus a New Man created by God?

 

[face2face]

@APAK @Wrangler @Brakelite @ProDeo @Johann

Did Christ increase in knowledge and understanding?
Did Christ have a dying mortal body?
Did Christ do this?...but perfectly?

 

[Taken]

@Brakelite

This is what Christ was raised up to overcome. He held the potential to manifest this mind because he was born of a woman and born under the Law for which sin was increased!

The condemnation of death reigns over all peoples including the Christ and it was from this condemnation God sought to remove in the body and offering of His Son.

If you fail to see the problem Brakelite how can you see the solution?

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Jesus is God…
Gods body did not Die.
Gods Soul was not Killed.
Gods Spirit Did not Die.

The Body God Prepared was Given to be Killed!

 

[Wrangler]

Error…Should have been…

Gen 2:
[3]

REV
And God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he ceased from all his work that creating, God had done.

Did you look up how created and made are synonyms?

BTW, the conjunction is the word between, “and.” Look that up also.

 

[Wrangler]

Did Christ increase in knowledge and understanding?

Scripture says so; he increased in stature and wisdom. More proof Jesus is not God, who doesn’t change over time.

 

[David in NJ]

It was self sacrifice. He gained nothing except to be restored to what He did have before... the glory He shared with the Father before creation. You minimise the love of God by suggesting there was self interest.
“To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. ”
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV
Unfeigned Bible
There was nothing Christ received as a result of His sacrifice that didn't include mankind. The further we go into this discussion is revealing, for it shows how far away you are from truth. Denying the existence of fallen angels and of the devil... denying the prime purpose of Calvary was for the redemption of man... claiming the sacrifice of Christ was founded on self interest... denying the Divinity of Christ... denying Christ's true Sonship to His Father. You are in a deep mess. The further we go, the further you expose your apostasy.

lies always snowball = because they are going downhill

 

[David in NJ]

God will show the world he is a single being. Those serving any other god are breaking his #1 commandment daily.
In the Hebrew language=100% fact( look it up) Elohim translates-the supreme one, or the mighty one.
It can be used as plural for the false trinity gods served by some in the ot days.

The Holy Angels know THEY are THREE

In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple.
Above it stood seraphim; each one had six wings: with two he covered his face, with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew.
And one cried to another and said:

“Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord of hosts;
The whole earth is full of His glory!”