Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

[ScottA]

I will answer this when you answer my question. did Jesus ascend in to heaven with His glorified physical body?

If not what happened to the body that over 500 witnessed HIm in and He told Thomas that He was a real person and not a spirit? I asked this first of you so answer this and I will answer you.

I gave you a question to help you think for yourself.

But, No--what I said should have been clear--Jesus did not "ascend in to heaven with His glorified physical body."

As for "what happened to the body that over 500 witnessed HIm in and He told Thomas that He was a real person and not a spirit"--He gave it to the church, as He said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Which was confirmed by Paul, saying, "Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually."

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Jesus did not "ascend in to heaven with His glorified physical body."

Sure He did... the gifts and callings of God are without repentance and when Jesus was raised from the dead His body was glorified which was why He could walk thru walls and stuff.... He was in that glorified body when He ascended back to Heaven and His still in it right now seated at God's right Hand.

In fact, I'm going to get a glorified body just like His because I'm joint heirs with Christ Jesus!

Don't know bout everyone else since so many seem to choose to not believe God's Word these days
You're not suggesting that the early church were cannibals and they started munching on Jesus's Body are ya?

 

[ScottA]

What does all this gobbledy gook mean? Do you know how to speak to people in a colloquial way or you going to just stay mystic?

Indeed, the truth sounds foreign as if from one drunk on new wine, to those who have not known it.

Start here: Start with the idea that history and what occurred among the Priests and Pharisees may very well be repeating itself among the gentiles. Which means you have two choices: 1) lean on your own understanding and believe what is reasonable among men, or 2) decide not to make the same mistake.

 

[ScottA]

And your explanation was in opposition to what Jesus said.

Nothing personal but Jesus knows more than you homie!

Do you not know that what Jesus said was spirit, and in parable under restraint until He who restrains is taken out of the way? Did you not even expect that the truth would be declared at that time?

This is that time. Why should you be a fool?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Do you not know that what Jesus said was spirit, and in parable under restraint until He who restrains is taken out of the way? Did you not even expect that the truth would be declared at that time?

This is that time. Why should you be a fool?

Hang in there bud... you'll get it someday... well, maybe

 

[ScottA]

Do you not know that God has renewed my mind? And that I don't answer to you ropinions of what you think of my spirituality? Unless you are proclaiming you are part of the triune God.

Why then have you not anticipated the declaration of all truth (contrary to what has been taught and believed) after He who restrains has been taken out of the way?

And no, you do not answer to me (even though I have not given you my "opinion"), but to Him who sent me.

 

[ScottA]

Do you talk to people day to day in this mystic mish mosh? Why not talk to us as normal people instead of trying to sound like some mystic guru?

Did you expect to be accommodated in the ways of men? It is not for me to speak in the way you are accustom, but that you should recognize that if I speak as seemingly crazy as He who said, "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you", there is a reason.

 

[ScottA]

Sure He did... the gifts and callings of God are without repentance and when Jesus was raised from the dead His body was glorified which was why He could walk thru walls and stuff.... He was in that glorified body when He ascended back to Heaven and His still in it right now seated at God's right Hand.

In fact, I'm going to get a glorified body just like His because I'm joint heirs with Christ Jesus!

Don't know bout everyone else since so many seem to choose to not believe God's Word these days
You're not suggesting that the early church were cannibals and they started munching on Jesus's Body are ya?

That is not true...but obviously you are loving it. Just as it is written of many:

2 Thessalonians 2:10​

and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.​

 

[ScottA]

Hang in there bud... you'll get it someday... well, maybe View attachment 56875

I have, and this is "that day."

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That is not true...but obviously you are loving it. Just as it is written of many:

You got some false doctrine going on over there and don't even know it!

The rest of us will be in a glorified body.... I guess you'll be a blob floating around somewhere

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Just specifically said... only the Father knows, so no Jesus does not know... according to what He said.

We might have to get some little children in to help explain this to the adults... it's so simple that children can understand this but the adults... not so much

I’m not suggesting only the Father knows the day and hour is not true. It can be true without our building doctrines around His not knowing. To be honest and I’m not saying you have to agree, but I no longer believe in the rapture I grew up being told will happen. To me “rapture” is to be “plucked out of the fire”. Where you won’t know the hour or the day or the time “you are plucked out from the fire” can also be true. It does not need to built off a foundation(like a secret rapture) of Christ not knowing the hour, the day or the time. Although, He agreed it was in His Fathers hand and not men’s hands; to pluck up that which men planted and to replant. There is a season for everything under the sun…A time to tear down, and a time to rebuild.

I am only sharing with you why I changed my mind, even if you don’t agree. I’m getting confused on this topic of not knowing the hour, time or day that the thief comes. It’s all based off this notion that Jesus Christ himself didn’t know. So then no one knows when the church will be snatched(raptured) out of here. not even Christ knows the day, the hour, of “His return” to “rapture” the church out. My focus in speaking to you about Jesus Christ not knowing the hour, time or day the thief comes, be aware “I come as a thief” watch and be sober, stay awake that you may keep your garments and not be found naked …

Again, I am not focus on His return and if “his not knowing the time or day or hour the thief comes” proves He doesn’t know when He will return. Which is getting way ahead to what people believe concerning His return for His body.

For the sake of our conversation I am only focused on when the thieves come to the garden to seize Jesus Christ to be judged and crucified. I am not trying to go off on discussing His return(yet), without first, examining did Jesus Christ know the hour, the day, or the time when the thief comes —-my answer is yes He knew.

did He know the thief was coming to seize Him in the garden? If He did know, Who told Him and How did The Father tell Him? It’s pretty clear to me that the Father showed Him and Told Him what must come and to prepare. that led up to the thieves coming to the garden to seize and come out against Him “do you come out against Me as a thief now, when you didn’t put your hands on me while I was with you?” (Paraphrasing what is means to me). Can you not see this is vital because if Jesus did not know the hour and the day, then He was caught off guard and unawares (taken unaware as overcome by a thief in the night) when the thief comes.

This is probably a bad visual but if the cops come to arrest a man who is not guilty and when they arrive they find the man standing at the door waiting with his coat on and shoes on, while his family members pled and cry in the background “do not go. They arrest you without cause!” yet This Man is waiting to be arrested where no man told him to get ready. Instead He is fully clothed and ready to be arrested, to go to be judged….at least those arresting him would consider “who told or warned this man we would be coming to arrest him? ”
Someone told Him. That is my point. If He knew the thief was coming He would not suffer His house to be broken unto. But He knew and went willingly. If we build our rapture theology off of His not knowing …even going as far as to claim the resurrected Son still doesn’t know of His return…that is our choice but I don’t agree He was caught unawares by a thief in the night coming to steal, kill, and destroy. “I come that they may have Life” “I come not to destroy, but to save”

Well, some folks think Jesus lies every once in a while... I personally don't accept that Jesus told a few lies but apparently some do.

The reason the Father holds this in privacy is because we are joint heirs with Jesus and if Jesus knew then we would have the right to know as well the day and hour of the second return of Jesus

no one is saying Jesus Christ lied. A lot is leaving out the rest of the overall picture. I’ll give you an example:

1 Corinthians 2:8-11
None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. [9] But, as it is written, "What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him"-
^i heard this part only for years as cause for: no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor heart of man imagined…
It took years for me to pay attention to the rest because I’d heard it for so long “no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor heart of man imagined” as if that is a period with nothing after that.


What was always left out was the rest of it:
[10] these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. [11] For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

No one fits better in that than Jesus Christ who comprehends the thoughts of His Father having the Spirit of His Father within Him that teaches. Which does make “no one knows except the Father” even no son of man knows (except) big “except”: "But who do you say that I am?" [16] Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." [17] And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father (the only one that knows) who is in heaven.


Sorry but the more I think about it the more ridiculousness it sounds that even now Resurrected in Spirit, the Son is said —doesn’t even know the time of His return. It is ridiculousness to say Christ does not know the day or hour or time of His return. Like He is just a man sitting beside a white bearded man on a throne, the son eager and chomping to know the time, day and hour of His return.

If most claiming to be Christians knew... they're probably go live in sin right up to the day the Lord is about to return

I have already rambled on enough. mostly I’m trying to figure out myself what to buy into. This isn’t it. That is not so…if man knew the day, hour and time of His return they would keep sinning. If they had known the time of His return they would NOT have suffered their house to be broken into. It was their not knowing (they didn’t yet know the voice of the prophets nor His Voice) knowing not the time of His visitation, where they were caught unawares…even ridiculous is the debates over is Jesus Christ God or was He only a man? Most of these debates coming from those who say He was God manifested in the flesh but in the next breath claim God who is Spirit hides from Himself the day, hour, and time of His return. Which is it?

The rest of us will be in a glorified body.... I guess you'll be a blob floating around somewhere

Not until we all come into the unity of Faith, to the full stature of Christ. It’s not skipping around in flesh bodies which glimmer and glow in the sun. That is not glorified. It’s unity of a body which cares for its many members and edifies itself in love, building up and growing up in Christ. This Glorified body as a whole shines being adorned and clothed in the fruit of Christ. The fruit is listed which is the garment of Light of the New man: where there is One body yet many members.

 

[ScottA]

You got some false doctrine going on over there and don't even know it! View attachment 56897

The rest of us will be in a glorified body.... I guess you'll be a blob floating around somewhere View attachment 56898

Go ahead, keep digging that hole--but that's not biblical.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I gave you a question to help you think for yourself.

But, No--what I said should have been clear--Jesus did not "ascend in to heaven with His glorified physical body."

As for "what happened to the body that over 500 witnessed HIm in and He told Thomas that He was a real person and not a spirit"--He gave it to the church, as He said, “Take, eat; this is My body.” Which was confirmed by Paul, saying, "Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually."

Well you have real issues with teh Inspired Word of god.

so you are saying His physical body that was seen and testified He was a person in John 20- is now in sub atomic particles in everyu believer? Or are you one who believes in transubstantiation.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Indeed, the truth sounds foreign as if from one drunk on new wine, to those who have not known it.

Start here: Start with the idea that history and what occurred among the Priests and Pharisees may very well be repeating itself among the gentiles. Which means you have two choices: 1) lean on your own understanding and believe what is reasonable among men, or 2) decide not to make the same mistake.

So you are implying I have not tasted the new wine and I am a patsy to modern day Pharisees. Okay then/ that makes you just another wannabe cult leader who thinks he can look into the souls of men.

Why should we accept your teachings as more authjorative than the legions who have come before with differing opinions and spouting the same pride you do?

Why should we reject the plain teaching of Scripture for your "mystical revelations" and fancy mystic musings?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why then have you not anticipated the declaration of all truth (contrary to what has been taught and believed) after He who restrains has been taken out of the way?

And no, you do not answer to me (even though I have not given you my "opinion"), but to Him who sent me.

How do you fit your head through 20' foot wide doors? Why should we accept your mystic musingsa over legions of others who disagree with you and boast teh same authority? what makes you right and all them wrong and why should we accept your mystic reinterprewtations of Scripture instead of what is written?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Did you expect to be accommodated in the ways of men? It is not for me to speak in the way you are accustom, but that you should recognize that if I speak as seemingly crazy as He who said, "unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you", there is a reason.

So then we can scratch you off the list of godly teachers. For as Paul said He became all things to all people in order to save some. YOu do the opposite of that renowned Apostle!

So do you believe in transubstantiation?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I’m not suggesting only the Father knows the day and hour is not true.

That's what Jesus said... those claiming Jesus had it wrong are on very thin ice as this is standing in opposition to the Lord to say He is wrong on anything making one's self an adversary to the Lord.... just like satan who's title mans... adversary

no one is saying Jesus Christ lied.

When one claims Jesus is ignorant and does not know what He's talking about... yeah, they callin Him a liar!

They may not be intending to do that, but that's what they are in fact doing.

I have already rambled on enough.

Yep, lots of rambling when the answer should have been short.... Jesus is correct as He always is!

Go ahead, keep digging that hole--but that's not biblical.

Those claiming Jesus doesn't know what He's talking about.... are to be ignore and are not qualified to speak to others about the Gospel until they repent of the darkness that is in their heart for claiming.... Jesus is ignorant and doesn't know what He's talking about.

Folks doing this don't know what spirit they are of... I certainly hope they get right with the Lord and really soon!

 

[ScottA]

Well you have real issues with teh Inspired Word of god.

so you are saying His physical body that was seen and testified He was a person in John 20- is now in sub atomic particles in everyu believer? Or are you one who believes in transubstantiation.

I know this is all seems foreign...and it is--that's the point.

But, whereas "God is spirit" and mankind is not, in order for Jesus, or us, to become One with the Father--we need to lose our earthly matter.

Example: Jesus didn't have matter before when He was with the Father whom "is spirit." Then Jesus was born of matter, lived and died, and then returned to be One again with the Father--that being "spirit." And, as it is written, His flesh returned to the dust/earth.

"God is spirit" and Jesus is God. In other words, I have explained just how the void between heaven and earth is/was crossed--but you have not even accounted for it, except to say that what was seen of the flesh, is true of the spirit--which is totally not biblical, but anti-Christ--because He was with God in spirit and is again, as it is written.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But, whereas "God is spirit" and mankind is not, in order for Jesus, or us, to become One with the Father--we need to lose our earthly matter.

So you are a spirit then. Okay

Example: Jesus didn't have matter before when He was with the Father whom "is spirit." Then Jesus was born of matter, lived and died, and then returned to be One again with the Father--that being "spirit." And, as it is written, His flesh returned to the dust/earth.

Can you show us that from Scripture or is that one of you rmystical revelations you got as a spirit?

"God is spirit" and Jesus is God. In other words, I have explained just how the void between heaven and earth is/was crossed--but you have not even accounted for it, except to say that what was seen of the flesh, is true of the spirit--which is totally not biblical, but anti-Christ--because He was with God in spirit and is again, as it is written.

So when Jesus took on flewsh He was no longer god to you because he was flesh. Can you show me this from Scripture?

But please answer the questionas you threw out the information.

Jesus body is now all of us so do you believe in transubstantiation?

 

[ScottA]

So you are implying I have not tasted the new wine and I am a patsy to modern day Pharisees. Okay then/ that makes you just another wannabe cult leader who thinks he can look into the souls of men.

Why should we accept your teachings as more authjorative than the legions who have come before with differing opinions and spouting the sasmepride you do?

Why should we reject the plain teaching of Scripture for your "mystical revelations" and fancy mystic musings?

I am not saying anything that is not written--but many are the victims of the lie and strong delusion--just as it is written.

As for what you say I do--it is not true. I have only repeated and explained what is written, for it was to be sealed/restrained until now, and now is revealed without prior claims or opinions from those legions you speak of. That happening prior is not biblically possible, nor is it true.

Anyway, there has been "no plain teaching of Scripture", for it was sealed and has been under restraint until now.