Exploring Trinitarian Logic
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We have been here before have we not?
"whose branches run over the wall"
What if you were told the in this line of poetry, "branches" is in the feminine gender, banoth, or daughters. The figure is that of a vine so prolific, that its branches (or daughters) spread over the wall and beyond.
Would you have other questions you could ask of this text?
Why daughters?
And why over the wall?
Now if you didn't want to know would that be a problem? I mean, if this opened your mind to even greater truth? would you come back and say "I'm okay?"
amigo de christo
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thats be the carnal reasoning of men to try and explain away the TRUTH .
Its known as twisting the scrips .
And of a child thou hast known the scriptures . that didnt mean timothy heard them from a child
IT MEANS since the TIME HE WAS A CHILD . you desire to beleive something that is not true .
Same Word even says later , I AM alpah and omega , JESUS said that . you gonna twist that too .
amigo de christo
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i have to say that early modern english wasnt identical to todays version . Quite close though . mostly
but some words had similiar but different meanings and could often also be used
To describe two things . Tempations for example . It was used by james
to describe our own testing and trials
And also used to describe the lusts of the flesh .
The more one reads the bible the easier things become to be understood by the grace of GOD .
but some words had similiar but different meanings and could often also be used
To describe two things . Tempations for example . It was used by james
to describe our own testing and trials
And also used to describe the lusts of the flesh .
The more one reads the bible the easier things become to be understood by the grace of GOD .
Wrangler
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When you know Jesus, you know God, as the Father is in Him and He is in the Father
John 14:7
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
Jesus is the only way to the Father and Jesus clearly is identified with the Father. When you know Jesus, then you know God.
When you come to Jesus, then you have come to the Father, that's how it is done.
John 14:7
“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.”
Jesus is the only way to the Father and Jesus clearly is identified with the Father. When you know Jesus, then you know God.
When you come to Jesus, then you have come to the Father, that's how it is done.
Participles are both verbs and nouns. They have both a subject and object in Hebrew or Greek.
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Magdala
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You say that being baptized in the name (authority) of the Son is the same as being baptized in the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit, because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other in what They teach (They don't that's correct), but the teachings of John (the Christ's precursor), incomplete or not, didn't contradict the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit either, yet Jesus didn't include his name in Matt. 28:19. Therefore, Jesus didn't say "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" for the reason that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other.
Who do you say that the Father is? Who do you say that the Word (the Son) is? Who do you say that the Holy Spirit is?
Do you know why?
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Magdala
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You say that being baptized in the name (authority) of the Son is the same as being baptized in the name of the Father and the Holy Spirit, because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other in what They teach (They don't that's correct), but the teachings of John, incomplete or not, don't contradict the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit either, yet Jesus didn't include his name in Matt. 28:19. Therefore, Jesus didn't say "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" for the reason that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other.
Who do you say that the Father is? Who do you say that the Word (the Son) is? Who do you say that the Holy Spirit is?
In Jn. 16:13-14, Jesus said, "I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming. He will glorify me, for he will take from what is mine, and will declare it to you." Do you know why?
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CadyandZoe
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The point is that the Apostles were the only people Jesus commanded to Baptize. And they were not to baptize students for themselves.
It depends on the context.
Why do you think?
Magdala
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We've been talking about why the apostles were instructed by Jesus to baptize "in the name (authority) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit", which you say is because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other in what They teach. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other in what They teach, that's correct, but the teachings of John, incomplete or not, didn't contradict the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit either, yet Jesus didn't instruct the apostles to baptize in his name as well. Therefore, Jesus didn't say "baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" for the reason that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit don't contradict each Other.
Explain Who the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is in all Their contexts.
I'm not asking because I don't know, but because I'm curious to know your answer, which may not be the same as mine. So, again, in Jn. 16:13-14, Jesus said, "I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are coming. He will glorify me, for he will take from what is mine, and will declare it to you." Do you know why?
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Wrangler
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Proving Jesus is a container, as we all were made to be. We have to choose to empty ourselves (of Self) to make room for the Spirit of God to dwell.
Jesus referred to himself as a gate, between us and God. The gate of God is not God.
Also, per Scripture, there is only God the Father (whose name is YHWH). The terms are synonymous. So, there is no need to use both terms in one sentence unless it is for emphasis. When I strive for emphasis, I use a hyphenated expression God - in his Unitarian nature.
FYI. Jesus is synonymous with the son of god or Christ or anointed or Messiah.
You know the difference because of constant contrast. God so loved the world that he sent this other guy, his servant, his ambassador (apostle), his son.
This does not mean God incarnated. Importantly, John 3:16 does not say the Father sent his Son but God, meaning God - in his unitarian nature. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
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Proving Jesus is a container, as we all were made to be. We have to choose to empty ourselves (of Self) to make room for the Spirit of God to dwell.
Jesus referred to himself as a gate, between us and God. The gate of God is not God.
Also, per Scripture, there is only God the Father (whose name is YHWH). The terms are synonymous. So, there is no need to use both terms in one sentence unless it is for emphasis. When I strive for emphasis, I use a hyphenated expression God - in his Unitarian nature.
FYI. Jesus is synonymous with the son of god or Christ or anointed or Messiah.
You know the difference because of constant contrast. God so loved the world that he sent this other guy, his servant, his ambassador (apostle), his son.
This does not mean God incarnated. Importantly, John 3:16 does not say the Father sent his Son but God, meaning God - in his unitarian nature. The importance of this cannot be overstated.
CadyandZoe
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I said more than that. Consider the topic of this thread, which is centered on the Logic of Trinitarianism. You raised Matthew 28:19 in defense of your belief that it serves as a clear, unambiguous passage supporting the Trinity Doctrine. I disagreed with your view for the reasons I gave.
If you want to recant your view, then say so. Otherwise, make Matthew 28:19 relevant to the topic at hand
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