WAS PETER ACCURSED?

[Doug]

You think God would enlist a murderous Pharisee to do all that you claimed above? After Saul/Paul had held the cloak of Stephen after leading people to stone Stephen to death because Stephen followed the Messiah.

[1Ti 1:13-16 KJV] 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

That's what it says...Christ came to save sinners

 

[pepper]

[1Ti 1:13-16 KJV] 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

That's what it says...Christ came to save sinners

Saul wasn't ignorant of God's law against murder.

 

[Verily]

You think God would enlist a murderous Pharisee to do all that you claimed above? After Saul/Paul had held the cloak of Stephen after leading people to stone Stephen to death because Stephen followed the Messiah.

Here is how John defines a murderer

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Just as the carnal mind is great hatred against God, I think many people start there, enemies in our minds

Even as Paul said,

Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Mary's prayer

Luke 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us

What better way to do that then convert them? Similarly

Gal 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ:

Gal 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

The whole enemies under your feet thing

 

[Doug]

Saul wasn't ignorant of God's law against murder.

[Luk 23:34 KJV] 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

 

[pepper]

[Luk 23:34 KJV] 34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Wrong attribution.
Jesus was, though it was illegal,tried by the Sanhedrin for blasphemy.
Therefore, Jesus being executed was the penalty for that offense.

The Sanhedrin knew this.

What they didn't know was that Jesus was their God and Messiah of prophecy.

They thought they were killing a blasphemer.

 

[Doug]

What they didn't know was that Jesus was their God and Messiah of prophecy.

They thought they were killing a blasphemer.

Right
But dont you think Paul may have thought that as well?
Just a thought

 

[pepper]

Right
But dont you think Paul may have thought that as well?
Just a thought

Of course Saul,Paul, believed it was true. Which is why he thought to go out and murder Apostates.

 

[Doug]

Of course Saul,Paul, believed it was true. Which is why he thought to go out and murder Apostates.

[2Sa 12:9 KJV] 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife [to be] thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

Consider this.....David sent Uriah to be killed....God will raise him to be king in the future kingdom on earth (Jeremiah 30"9 Ezekiel 37"24)

 

[pepper]

[2Sa 12:9 KJV] 9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife [to be] thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

Consider this.....David sent Uriah to be killed....God will raise him to be king in the future kingdom on earth (Jeremiah 30"9 Ezekiel 37"24)

That's an interesting picture you're thinking to paint of the God of love.

 

[Doug]

That's an interesting picture you're thinking to paint of the God of love.

I am just saying that you say God would never choose a murderer like Paul but look at David was he not a murderer in sending Uriah to a certain death......who would God work through to fulfill his purposes a sinless person? there are none righteous except Christ Jesus

 

[Verily]

I am just saying that you say God would never choose a murderer like Paul but look at David was he not a murderer in sending Uriah to a certain death......who would God work through to fulfill his purposes a sinless person? there are none righteous except Christ Jesus

David was known to be a man after Gods own heart but here the LORD said that in this matter David despising the commandment of the LORD was David despising the LORD himself

2 Sam 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

2 Sam 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

Mentioned here also

1 Kings 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

 

[pepper]

I am just saying that you say God would never choose a murderer like Paul but look at David was he not a murderer in sending Uriah to a certain death......who would God work through to fulfill his purposes a sinless person? there are none righteous except Christ Jesus

The difference is Saul murdered those who turned to Jesus.

Then he claimed Jesus wasn't finished with His ministry on earth and enlisted a Pharisee to bring a false gospel to Gentiles.

False because Saul called his teachings His gospel and dated curse any who came after him and taught a different one. The gospel of Jesus.
The only ones that would come to towns with a different Gospel than Souls gospel are the anointed Apostles of Jesus Christ.

Saul would know that. And he declared they be anathema,cursed.

 

[Doug]

David was known to be a man after Gods own heart but here the LORD said that in this matter David despising the commandment of the LORD was David despising the LORD himself

2 Sam 12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

2 Sam 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

Mentioned here also

1 Kings 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite.

I dont know what are you saying here

 

[Verily]

The difference is Saul murdered those who turned to Jesus.

Then he claimed Jesus wasn't finished with His ministry on earth and enlisted a Pharisee to bring a false gospel to Gentiles.

False because Saul called his teachings His gospel and dated curse any who came after him and taught a different one. The gospel of Jesus.
The only ones that would come to towns with a different Gospel than Souls gospel are the anointed Apostles of Jesus Christ.

Saul would know that. And he declared they be anathema,cursed.

John also says,

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

And John adds,

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

So when Paul says it this way,

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

"As WE" said before, so say I now again,

If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Paul just comes out and says it, "let him be accursed" so there would be no mistaking that he would be bidding any such a one God speed (which would make him a partaker of such a ones evil deeds) as John speaks of it

As John said, For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

And so again, "As we" said before, so say I now again,

If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

They are speaking of false teachers which would lead them away from the true gospel

 

[Doug]

False because Saul called his teachings His gospel and dated curse any who came after him and taught a different one. The gospel of Jesus.
The only ones that would come to towns with a different Gospel than Souls gospel are the anointed Apostles of Jesus Christ.

I know that Paul said he never went into anothers line of ministry but I have not studied all of Peter and the twelves journeys but based on your comments you have....where did Peter come into Paul's ministry and preach a different gospel

 

[Verily]

I dont know what are you saying here

Confirming your words, but if you dont get it dont *lose sleep over it

Edit: *

 

[pepper]

I know that Paul said he never went into anothers line of ministry but I have not studied all of Peter and the twelves journeys but based on your comments you have....where did Peter come into Paul's ministry and preach a different gospel

It seems you are confusing Saul and Peter.

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Jesus: And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. –Matthew 23:9




Paul: And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers –1 Corinthians 12:28


Jesus: But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. –Matthew 23:8




Paul: So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors [shepherds] and teachers –Ephesians 4:11


Jesus: and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.. –John 10:16




Paul: For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ … –1 Corinthians 4:15


Jesus: Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. –Matthew 23:10




Paul: If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things? –1 Corinthians 9:11


Jesus: Freely you have received, freely give. –Matthew 10:8