The slander against the faithful apostle Paul

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Verily

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What about the non-inspired ones...

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
I don't think he had any choice but to speak by permission there because the context was that

1 Cr 7:4 " The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife."

So he could not speak by way of commandment there after what he just stated, which he just told them that both the wife and the husband need consent when it come to defrauding one another for a specific time.

So he says,

1 Cr 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
 

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I don't think he had any choice but to speak by permission there because the context was that

1 Cr 7:4 " The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife."

So he could not speak by way of commandment there after what he just stated, which he just told them that both the wife and the husband need consent when it come to defrauding one another for a specific time.

So he says,

1 Cr 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
I think he's referring to the verse after, rather than before:

1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Clearly everyone cannot be celibate - the human race would end.
 

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I think he's referring to the verse after, rather than before:

1Co 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that.

Clearly everyone cannot be celibate - the human race would end.
There is disagreement among scholars of which place he is speaking of

Gills commentary

But I speak this by permission,.... Referring either to what he had said before, though not to all; not to 1 Corinthians 7:2 that for the "avoiding of fornication", every man should make use of his own wife, and every woman of her own husband; since this is not by permission, but by command, Genesis 2:24 that carnal copulation should be between one man and one woman in a married state; nor to 1 Corinthians 7:3 for that married persons ought to render due benevolence to, and not defraud each other, having a power over each other's bodies, is a precept, and not a permission, Exodus 21:10 but to 1 Corinthians 7:5 their parting for a time, and coming together again: it is not an absolute command of God that they should separate for a time, on account of fasting and prayer, but if they thought fit to do so by agreement, they might; nor was there any positive precept for their coming together again directly, after such service was over. The apostle said this, not of commandment; but, consulting their good, gives this advice, lest Satan should be busy with them, and draw them into sin; but if they had the gift of continence, they might continue apart longer; there was no precise time fixed by God, nor did the apostle pretend to fix any: or it may refer to what follows after, that he would have all men be as he was; though he laid no injunction, but left them to their liberty; unless it can be thought to regard marriage in general, and to be said in opposition to a Jewish notion, which makes marriage a "command"

Gills adds as a possible after thought, that Paul could also be standing in opposition of a particular Jewish notion that makes marriage a command (which is not of Christ). On the other hand we know in 1 Tim 4:3 that Paul himself calls the actual forbidding of marriage a doctrine of a devil. (and so not of God) And since Paul says, "I speak this by permission" between the advice between the married (above it) and to the unmarried and widows (below it) some believe he could be speaking regarding what he says after, as followed this way...

1 Cr 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

1 Cr 7:7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, (See Mat 19:11) and another after that.

1 Cr 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. (See Mat 19:9-11)

1 Cr 7:9 But if they cannot contain, (Mat 1911) let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. (See 1 Tim 4:3)

Now when the disciples responded to what Jesus said in Mat 19:9 concerning marriage with the words, "If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry." (which agrees with Paul's 1 Cr 7:7a's words) And where Jesus stated plainly, "All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given" in Mat 19:11 (this also agrees again with Paul 1 Cr 7:7b's words ). So I do not see Paul speaking this by permission (in respects to an agreement) there but according to the truth of Christ concerning others (as himself is in an unmarried state) and speaking more specifically to the presently unmarried and widows in respects to marriage itself (after 1Cr 7:6, not before)
 

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Have you noticed that the virulent attack on Paul has become a trend on the biblical analysis networks?

From my point of view, it is a maneuver by the enemies of the Scriptures that seems to be affecting many Christians. Some anti-Christians masquerading as biblical scholars are dedicating themselves to spreading on the web the idea that Paul is a false teacher. Let's talk about that here, to help sincere believers not be deceived.

Firstly, we must accept that Paul was completely connected to the official Christian congregation of the first century, including the elders and apostles in Jerusalem, as we can clearly see in the beginnings of his missionary calling by Christ, which we read about in the book of Acts of the Apostles, written by Luke. An illustrative, clear, and compelling example of this is Peter's view of Paul's wisdom, and his letters:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. (...)


PS: Although Paul did not belong to the group of the twelve main apostles of Jesus, Scripture declares him an "apostle" for his missionary work.
Apparently the attack is already there during the time of the Apostles, where Peter have already highlighted then in his epistle.

So it is not surprising the 'imposters' and 'counterfeits' of then and now of the same family of satan, tend to do so.

They who were then is written, in the beginning were with the Apostles as disciples, but shortly decided to go ahead on their own.

Therefore due to lack of knowledge, revelation and are 'shortsighted' unable to see 'afar', as Peter call them 'unlearned' and 'unstable'.

These apparently 'twist' the teaching of the Apostles and also even the other scriptures, to their own 'destruction'.

Again not surprising those of today, they too 'twist' the same teaching or scriptures which of the Apostles and so, in the Holy Bible.

2 Peter 3:
16. As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
18. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever, Amen.


Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
 

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God speaking by Moses said

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.

Nest verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Apostles confirm this is Jesus Christ and put it this way

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

And again here confirming this is Jesus Christ

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

As Jesus also said,

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Moses was for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after (by Jesus Christ) Hebrews 3:5

Jesus continues,

John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Abiding in Christ and in his words go together

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Theres others on this
The Lord is not a book. Remember this:

[39] You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
[40] yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. John 5:39-40 RSV
 

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The bible contains the words of God, how do you treat words as a God, you either read them and cast the same behind you or you read them pray for understanding and obey them.

The scriptures are for our reproof

Prov 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Yes, the Bible contains the words of the Lord. God and Jesus are quoted many times. We should obey what they told us to do.
 
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The Lord is not a book. Remember this:

[39] You search the scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness to me;
[40] yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. John 5:39-40 RSV

We know the Lord is not a book, Jesus is also the eternal life that was with the Father whose words we are to abide in and whose word spoken would judge us in the last day.
 

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We know the Lord is not a book, Jesus is also the eternal life that was with the Father whose words we are to abide in and whose word spoken would judge us in the last day.
You can't put anything on equal footing with the Lord.
 

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You can't put anything on equal footing with the Lord.
If God put his words in Jesus mouth, and we reject Jesus, the only real basis for rejecting Jesus would be that we did not like what he had to say. So we would reject him and receive not his words, which is what will judged us on the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The word that Jesus hath spoken would judge such a one

Thats pretty equal

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If God put his words in Jesus mouth, and we reject Jesus, the only real basis for rejecting Jesus would be that we did not like what he had to say. So we would reject him and receive not his words, which is what will judged us on the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The word that Jesus hath spoken would judge such a one

Thats pretty equal

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The Bible is not a crutch. You cannot put it on the same level as the Lord. The Lord (God and Jesus) is often quoted in the Bible. That you can use as a crutch.
 

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The words of Jesus will judge them in the last day, so comparing them to being some kind of crutch is your words not his.
No matter how you look at it, you can't put anything, including the Bible, on the same level as the Lord.
 

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Have you noticed that the virulent attack on Paul has become a trend on the biblical analysis networks?

From my point of view, it is a maneuver by the enemies of the Scriptures that seems to be affecting many Christians. Some anti-Christians masquerading as biblical scholars are dedicating themselves to spreading on the web the idea that Paul is a false teacher. Let's talk about that here, to help sincere believers not be deceived.

Firstly, we must accept that Paul was completely connected to the official Christian congregation of the first century, including the elders and apostles in Jerusalem, as we can clearly see in the beginnings of his missionary calling by Christ, which we read about in the book of Acts of the Apostles, written by Luke. An illustrative, clear, and compelling example of this is Peter's view of Paul's wisdom, and his letters:

2 Pet. 3:15 Furthermore, consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. (...)


PS: Although Paul did not belong to the group of the twelve main apostles of Jesus, Scripture declares him an "apostle" for his missionary work.
100% CORRECT
 

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Yes, apostle means one sent of God.

And the Lord obviously used Paul to (and the other biblical writers) to continue His teaching ministry thru His Apostles after He had ascended back up to Heaven.





That would be disagreeing with the teaching ministry of Jesus Christ.... Paul didn't just dream up stuff to write, no... the Lord Jesus thru the Holy Ghost directed Paul what to write





No, actually the Holy Spirit led Paul to teach Peter about this.
This does not mean the writing of Peter are any less from the Lord than Paul's writings.





BINGO! Nail hit on the head... View attachment 56186

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ALL the biblical writers got what they wrote from the Lord






Yes, that would be rejecting the teaching of the Lord... which is exactly what the devil is trying to do is get people to question and reject what God says... just like he did with Adam and Eve in the garden. This is satan's MO






Those believing any part of God's Word to not be the teaching of the Lord.... have zero basis for believing anything from the Word of God.

Women should leave the speaking to men in public church services because God created man first and gave Him authority (1 Timothy 2:13), and God created woman for the man... not man for the woman (see 1 Corinthians 11:9)

Those that put what people think above what the Lord says are sadly very deceived and as such have an open door to the devil in their lives to bring in more and more deception.






Much false doctrine is present in jw congregations





Some folks pick and choose the bits and pieces of scripture that tickles
there eras and throws the rest of God's Word in the trash!

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That 'Cherry Picker's Bible' is the #1 Best Seller = Worldwide
 

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This Lord who said

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Yes, the Lord has spoken to us. But he is not a book.

By the way, he continues to speak to us.