The slander against the faithful apostle Paul

[Dan Clarkston]

You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord. What you can do is find the times Jesus and the Father are quoted in the Bible and take those words to heart.

So you acknowledge then that you are not a born again Christian?

Instructions on how to get born again came from the Lord thru the Apostles writings.

It's too bad satan has deceived some in to being cherry pickers!

There is a special "bible" for the cherry picker peoples!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think it is time to move on.

 

[Bob Estey]

lol

The bible is Gods love letter to us

You act as if it is nothing.

It is of God It is god breathed.. Men did not just write whatever they wanted and God allowed it into his word.

You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord. God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible. There is God's Word.

 

[Bob Estey]

No I do not. I just take what Paul said in context.

but whatever.

You say the word of God is words of men, now you say we should take it at face value because you said so.

contradiction

You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord.

 

[Bob Estey]

So you acknowledge then that you are not a born again Christian?

Instructions on how to get born again came from the Lord thru the Apostles writings.

It's too bad satan has deceived some in to being cherry pickers!

There is a special "bible" for the cherry picker peoples!

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Why would stating that you can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord suggest I am not a born again Christian?

 

[Bob Estey]

No I do not. I just take what Paul said in context.

but whatever.

You say the word of God is words of men, now you say we should take it at face value because you said so.

contradiction

Paul told women not to speak in a church. He didn't say it would be okay in a different context.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord. God and Jesus are quoted many times in the Bible. There is God's Word.

In the begin was the word and the word was God.

 

[Bob Estey]

In the begin was the word and the word was God.

God is not a book.

 

[MatthewG]

God is not a book.

That is right. God is not a book. God is spirit. The Bible is such a great tool and spiritual guide to many people. However, sometimes lines get blurred.

 

[Bob Estey]

That is right. God is not a book. God is spirit. The Bible is such a great tool and spiritual guide to many people. However, sometimes lines get blurred.

I believe the Bible is a revelation. I fear some use it as a crutch.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe the Bible is a revelation. I fear some use it as a crutch.

Jesus is my crutch, lol. Really, when we get down to the brass tax of things, the Bible itself has been used for good and bad. In the end people have to self reflect on their own heart, because life is never promised tomorrow. We hope for tomorrow to come, but if it doesn't I wouldn't want all my priorities to be out of wack when faced with Yahavah/God.

 

[ElieG12]

What about the non-inspired ones...

1Co 7:6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.

Everything in the Bible is inspired. If there is something which was not, then it's not part of the Bible.

It's understood that numerous writings from early Christians in the first century existed, and Paul might have penned additional letters. Why aren't these included in the canon? They were not entirely inspired, which is why they aren't meant to serve as our guide.

How can we claim to honor the divinely inspired Word of God if we selectively choose which of Paul's teachings to accept or ignore? Is it right for individuals to sift through the Scriptures, following only those parts that align with their personal preferences, similar to the way some homosexuals seek divine acceptance without altering their lifestyles according to God's directives?

 

[Wick Stick]

Everything in the Bible is inspired. If there is something which was not, then it's not part of the Bible.

Tell me you didn't read the chapter without telling me you didn't read the chapter

 

[ElieG12]

In Colossians 4:16, Paul refers to a letter he penned to the church in Laodicea.

However, this letter is absent from the recognized canon. It evidently wasn't meant for our era, and although it might have been beneficial for the believers back then, it wasn't necessary for us. We can be sure that if it had been inspired with the intention of necessarily reaching our times, it would have happened.

PS: In biblical Israel, there were other revered books referenced in the Hebrew Scriptures that do not belong to the Jewish canon.

 

[Soyeong]

That's not what God's Word says

That is precisely what Galatians 3:16-19 says.

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

If a new covenant nullifies the promises of a covenant that has already been ratified, then that would mean that God is a liar who breaks His promises, but that is not what that verse is saying.

WHERE did Jesus teach that when one sins they have to go make an animal sacrifice to cover their sin???

Jesus being sinless is a basic Christian doctrine and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), which means the he set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to it.

If you are going to follow the "torah" then you must reject the New Covenant and liver under the law of Moses rather than the Law of Christ which is what the New Testament teaches

Again, Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Torah by word and by example, so I don't see a good reason to think that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to what Christ taught. Moreover, Christ did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of undermining anything that he spent his ministry teaching, but rather the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Jeremiah 31:33).

Jesus specifically said the law and the prophets stopped at John the Baptist's ministry...

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Reckon Jesus got it wrong and He forgot to teach we are required to follow the Low of Moses to be saved?

Neither Jesus nor John taught people stop repenting because the Torah has ended now that they've come, but just the opposite, the Gospel of the Kingdom being preached since that time calls for our repentance from our disobedience to the Torah. In Luke 16:17, Jesus said that it would be easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least part to disappear from the Torah, so he did not think that it had already ended. Moreover, in use 16:18, Jesus continued to teach obedience to the Torah.

Jesus saves us from our sin, so while we do not earn our salvation as the result of our obedience to the Torah, Jesus graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is intrinsically the way that he is giving us his gift of saving us from not being a doer of it. In Titus 2:11-13, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, so obeying the Torah has nothing to do with trying to earn our salvation, but rather God graciously teaching us to be a doer of it is part of His gift of salvation. Again, Psalms 110:29-30 describes the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith.

Those subscribing to this nonsense are confused.... you still doing animal sacrifices for salvation?
That's what the torah demands.

The Bible contains many parallel statements that are two ways of expressing the same thought, so it is not nonsense for 1 Corinthians 9:21 to be equating the the Law of God with the Law of Christ. God gave the Torah and Christ is God, so it is straightforwardly the Law of Christ. In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded hi without depart from it, so the Torah is the Law of God, which is why it is referred to as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23. By all means, please quote where the Torah states that the way to earn our salvation is by doing animal sacrifices.

Actually the Galatians turned away from Jesus and went back to the law of Moses... and that caused them to fall from grace meaning they were no longer saved and had become corrupt.

It is absurd to think that someone can turn away from Jesus by obeying what he spent his ministry teaching or to think that someone can turn away from God's word made flesh by obeying God's word. You also did not address the absurdity of you trying to turn Galatians against believing the Gospel of Christ or of interpreting Psalms 119:29 as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace. It is also absurd that being a doer of the Torah causes someone to lose their salvation from not being a doer of the Torah. If you interpret the Bible as saying things that are completely absurd, then you should rethink your interpretation.

If one is to follow the toah, they MUST declare Paul to be a false teacher and ignore him and teach others to ignore him too.

That is false because it is completely unnecessary to interpret Paul in a way that turns him against obeying the Torah. If you think Paul spoke against obeying the Torah and you want to maintain the position that he was a servant of God, then you only option is to conclude that you must have misunderstood him, or if you think he spoke against obeying the Torah and you want to maintain your position that your interpretation is correct, then your only option is to conclude that he was a false prophet, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room to hold both the positions that Paul was a servant of God and that he spoke against obeying the Torah.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Why would stating that you can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord suggest I am not a born again Christian?

Without the Lord having directed what He said to be in written form (the Bible)... one wouldn't know there was a Jesus or have instructions concerning how to get born again and that one must walk with the Lord in order to go to Heaven.

It's satan that continually tells people to ignore what God has said... cause this causes people to be separated from the Lord (spiritual death) just like it causes Adam and Eve to be separated from the Lord due to sin.

Those that reject God's Word are not in right standing with Him because they reject what He has said,

God is not a book.

And yet... He has caused everything He has said to mankind to be put in written form.

God and His Word cannot be separated and those that that reject His Word reject Him.

Hang in there bud... maybe someday you'll get it.

 

[Bob Estey]

Without the Lord having directed what He said to be in written form (the Bible)... one wouldn't know there was a Jesus or have instructions concerning how to get born again and that one must walk with the Lord in order to go to Heaven.

It's satan that continually tells people to ignore what God has said... cause this causes people to be separated from the Lord (spiritual death) just like it causes Adam and Eve to be separated from the Lord due to sin.

Those that reject God's Word are not in right standing with Him because they reject what He has said,




And yet... He has caused everything He has said to mankind to be put in written form.

God and His Word cannot be separated and those that that reject His Word reject Him.

Hang in there bud... maybe someday you'll get it.

I will say it again: You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord.

 

[Verily]

I will say it again: You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord.

God speaking by Moses said

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.

Nest verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Apostles confirm this is Jesus Christ and put it this way

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

And again here confirming this is Jesus Christ

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

As Jesus also said,

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Moses was for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after (by Jesus Christ) Hebrews 3:5

Jesus continues,

John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Abiding in Christ and in his words go together

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Theres others on this

 

[Verily]

You treat the Bible as if it were God. It contains many quotes from God and Jesus, but I don't think you should treat it as if it were God.

The bible contains the words of God, how do you treat words as a God, you either read them and cast the same behind you or you read them pray for understanding and obey them.

The scriptures are for our reproof

Prov 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

 

[Verily]

I will say it again: You can't put the Bible at the same level as the Lord.

Wouldnt that be like calling him Lord Lord (and not doing what he said?)

He puts them on the same level.