When and why will God destroy the world?

[quietthinker]

Is this from God

Malachi

4 [a]“Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire,” says the Lord Almighty. “Not a root or a branch will be left to them. 2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves. 3 Then you will trample on the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty.
4 “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.
5 “See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes. 6 He will turn the hearts of the parents to their children, and the hearts of the children to their parents; or else I will come and strike the land with total destruction.”

God will act definitively but not in anger or revenge or as popular theology portrays him; itching for his 'pound of flesh'.
He will rescue his people and the wicked who live by the principle of survival of the fittest will be the source of their own demise....both rulers and servants, rich and poor, religious and non religious. They have locked onto the principle of steal, kill and destroy and will not relinquish it; the same principle by which their King operates and they will carry it through even to self destruction including the planet. We can see the precursors of this principle and process in our World even now.

 

[Marty fox]

God will act definitively but not in anger or revenge or as popular theology portrays him; itching for his 'pound of flesh'.
He will rescue his people and the wicked who live by the principle of survival of the fittest will be the source of their own demise....both rulers and servants, rich and poor, religious and non religious. They have locked onto the principle of steal, kill and destroy and will not relinquish it; the same principle by which their King operates and they will carry it through even to self destruction including the planet. We can see the precursors of this principle and process in our World even now.

Again yes God wants everyone to be saved but He does react in sadness and in anger and judgement and it gives Him no joy.

Why outside of politics was Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans?

 

[Marty fox]

The problem with this interpretation is this. The daughters of men do not just mean women, it means both men and women. It simply means those from Seth's line, both men and women, started intermingly with those of Cain's line which also consists of both men and women. Your interpretation implies that only men of Seth's line, and not women as well, intermingled with Cain's line. But not also with men of Cain's line, but only with women of Cain's line.

It might look like this.

The men, but not any of the women as well, from Seth's line intermingled with the women of Cain's line but not with any of the men of Cain's line as well. The reason why you interpret it in this manner is because you are obviously taking these marriages in the literal sense and that literal marriages typically involve a man and a woman. What about the women per Seth's line? And what about the men per Cain's line? Why did God destroy them as well if the real problem was because men from Seth's line were intermingling with women from Cain's line?

And BTW, since when would a son of God when referring to humans not mean both male and female humans? If women are not also sons of God what are they then? What phrase describes what they are if sons of God doesn't? The point being, if sons of God can mean both male and female I'm pretty sure the daughters of men can mean both male and female as well.


We are not that far a part here, actually. I just don't think you are thinking all the way through some of this the fact God destroyed both men and women from both lines rather than only men from Seth's line and only women from Cain's line.

Genesis 6
1When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose

No it actually means the men

Men were the topic of this text and the text also sates men because men were the spiritual leaders and responsible for their families the women had no choice

The text also shows that they also had multiple marriages and they were jealous of the life style and accomplishments of the line of Cain. The world was judged because the faithful in the entire world came down to just Noah it would of ended with him and the tread from Adam to Jesus would of been cut

 

[quietthinker]

Again yes God wants everyone to be saved but He does react in sadness and in anger and judgement and it gives Him no joy.

Why outside of politics was Jerusalem destroyed by the Romans?

Jesus foresaw the result of the Jews rejecting the long promised Messiah. He looked with tears at the result. Matt. 23:37-38
It was the Romans who levelled Jerusalem, not God. It was wicked men destroying wicked men, not a compassionate God who was pissed off.

Matthew 23:37-38
'Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.......'

 

[Marty fox]

Jesus foresaw the result of the Jews rejecting the long promised Messiah. He looked with tears at the result. Matt. 23:37-38
It was the Romans who levelled Jerusalem, not God. It was wicked men destroying wicked men, not a compassionate God who was pissed off.

Matthew 23:37-38
'Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate.......'

I already agreed that it saddens God to do it and that the Romans physically did it but Jesus Himself states why it happened below in the last sentence

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

These are the words right out of Jesus mouth

 

[quietthinker]

I already agreed that it saddens God to do it and that the Romans physically did it but Jesus Himself states why it happened below in the last sentence

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

These are the words right out of Jesus mouth

Yes, and so it will be at the end of time, men will destroy men and their habitations. God wont. The protection that God afforded the wicked is defiantly pushed away. The angels holding back the winds of strife will withdraw when the final message of mercy and kindness is rejected. God will let the consequences of rebellion and rejection take their course and utter destruction will result.

 

[Davy]

Well that is what I thought of him while he was still alive. Why would I think differently of him just because he is no longer among the living? I have been knowing about Arnold Murray and his many false teachings probably longer than you have. Since maybe the mid 90s in my case. And I know all about his misinterpretation of 2 Peter 3:6. From what I recall he used Jeremiah 4, for one, to supposedly support it. Arnold Murray basically had no clue as to how context works. The context of 2 Peter 3:6 is Noah's flood not what he decided to make it mean instead. Therefore, to use false teachings of Arnold Murray as arguments are not even valid arguments.

Who cares what YOU think of people? If the matter is God's Word it's about what GOD thinks and has to say, not man, not me, not you, nor people like Murray, et al.

The biggest revelation you SHOULD have picked up on from my last post to you was how MANY Bible scholars of history understood about the Gap theory of Genesis 1. But you are more concerned with doing what? Attacking a Bible teacher like Murray. There were a lot of Bible scholars before Murray that taught the Gap idea of Genesis 1, so by your singling out Murray, it means you must... have had some kind of involvement with him that made you hate the man.

If I rightly recall too, you hold to the false pre-trib rapture theory, and there are many Bible scholars against that 'theory' too, so if that's why you are now TRYING TO ATTACK ME PERSONALLY, because I reject that theory, then I can understand for that reason, because I teach against that false pre-trib rapture theory that was first preached in a Christian Church in 1830's John Darby in Great Britain, and never was an idea that the early Church fathers held, nor is it written anywhere in God's Word. For this reason, you probably hold a grudge against anyone who rejects that false pre-trib rapture theory.

So really, about all I can say to you is, grow up. And get into your Bible asking God to help you understand, and not those men you've been listening to.

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[Marty fox]

Yes, and so it will be at the end of time, men will destroy men and their habitations. God wont. The protection that God afforded the wicked is defiantly pushed away. The angels holding back the winds of strife will withdraw when the final message of mercy and kindness is rejected. God will let the consequences of rebellion and rejection take their course and utter destruction will result.

So who does the King represent in the parable below? Is this not exactly what happen to apostate Israel?

The Parable of the Wedding Feast​

22 And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying, 2 “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son, 3 and sent his servants[a] to call those who were invited to the wedding feast, but they would not come. 4 Again he sent other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ 5 But they paid no attention and went off, one to his farm, another to his business, 6 while the rest seized his servants, treated them shamefully, and killed them. 7 The king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding feast is ready, but those invited were not worthy. 9 Go therefore to the main roads and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.’ 10 And those servants went out into the roads and gathered all whom they found, both bad and good. So the wedding hall was filled with guests.

 

[rockytopva]

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
2. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
5. And the evening and the morning were the first day. - Genesis 1

I believe trillions of what we call years could have passed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:5. Time was not measured until the earth was put in orbit around the sun. So what we would have is...

Pre-Day 1 - The creation of heaven and earth... An unknown space as time had yet to be measured.
Day 1 - Earth is placed in rotation around the sun. Beginning of the accounting of time
Day 2 - The creation of geography
Day 3 - The creation of the seeds of plant life
Day 4 - The creation of the moon and an atmosphere to let the light in
Day 5 - The creation of animal life
Day 6 - The creation of man for a seven thousand year domain
Day 7 - The day of rest

After seven thousand years it will all end along with the accounting of time...

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: - Revelation 10:5-6

As E=mc2 we can divide and conclude that mass (m) = plasma (E/c2) and that it must needs for the universe to return to plasma energy where God will plan other things to do with it.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness. - 2 Peter 3:10-11

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. - Revelation

I built this timeline in the long ago.... The images are screenshots from what i came up with in Excel. Estimated dates....

4300 BC - Creation of Adam
2640 BC - The Great Flood
2060 AD - Christ’s coming
3100 AD - End of millennial and destruction of planet earth

I have man on this planet 7,400 years, and would put the accuracy of these dates within 400 years....

Taking the timeline of the church in parallel with the generations of Adam there was a severe famine during the time Noah was born. I would imagine a time of famine during the time of the Black Horseman, which days I believe we now live in....

As far as Isaac Newton’s 2060AD quote he said....

“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

The 2060AD quote is a close estimation and not an exact date. In the Book of Enoch we have much evil afoot on planet earth before the flood. I would also imagine much evil before the fire...

Now this Seth...did leave children behind him who imitated his virtues.... They also were the inventors of that peculiar sort of wisdom which is concerned with the heavenly bodies, and their order. And that their inventions might not be lost before they were sufficiently known, upon Adam's prediction that the world was to be destroyed at one time by the force of fire, and at another time by the violence and quantity of water, they made two pillars; the one of brick, the other of stone: they inscribed their discoveries on them both, that in case the pillar of brick should be destroyed by the flood, the pillar of stone might remain, and exhibit those discoveries to mankind; and also inform them that there was another pillar of brick erected by them. Now this remains in the land of Siriad to this day.

Source: Flavius Josephus, Jewish Antiquities, trans. William Whiston, Wordsworth Editions, 2006.

 

[Davidpt]

Who cares what YOU think of people? If the matter is God's Word it's about what GOD thinks and has to say, not man, not me, not you, nor people like Murray, et al.

The biggest revelation you SHOULD have picked up on from my last post to you was how MANY Bible scholars of history understood about the Gap theory of Genesis 1. But you are more concerned with doing what? Attacking a Bible teacher like Murray. There were a lot of Bible scholars before Murray that taught the Gap idea of Genesis 1, so by your singling out Murray, it means you must... have had some kind of involvement with him that made you hate the man.

If I rightly recall too, you hold to the false pre-trib rapture theory, and there are many Bible scholars against that 'theory' too, so if that's why you are now TRYING TO ATTACK ME PERSONALLY, because I reject that theory, then I can understand for that reason, because I teach against that false pre-trib rapture theory that was first preached in a Christian Church in 1830's John Darby in Great Britain, and never was an idea that the early Church fathers held, nor is it written anywhere in God's Word. For this reason, you probably hold a grudge against anyone who rejects that false pre-trib rapture theory.

So really, about all I can say to you is, grow up. And get into your Bible asking God to help you understand, and not those men you've been listening to.

Scholars Who Believe an Old Earth Creation:

Notable Christians Open to an Old-universe, Old-earth Perspective

The following individuals—respected authors, Bible scholars, scientists, pastors, linguists, and more—hold to a diversity of views on the timing of God’s creation. And yet all have affirmed, in documented sources, that an ancient universe and Earth (including big bang cosmology) pose no threat...

reasons.org

Welcome to my IGNORE LIST.

LOL! Who cares if an Arnold Murray student puts them on the ignore list? I sure don't. You are nobody important to me. As if you interpret everything correctly, therefore, it's important that one stays on your good side so that they can benefit from your supposedly correct interpretations of everything. I won't be losing any sleep over it. Maybe I shouldn't have a negative opinion about Hitler either, for example, now that Hitler is dead? Still doesn't change what he did while he was still alive, though.

 

[Davy]

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
2. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night.
5. And the evening and the morning were the first day. - Genesis 1

I believe trillions of what we call years could have passed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:5. Time was not measured until the earth was put in orbit around the sun. So what we would have is...

Pre-Day 1 - The creation of heaven and earth... An unknown space as time had yet to be measured.
Day 1 - Earth is placed in rotation around the sun. Beginning of the accounting of time
Day 2 - The creation of geography
Day 3 - The creation of the seeds of plant life
Day 4 - The creation of the moon and an atmosphere to let the light in
Day 5 - The creation of animal life
Day 6 - The creation of man for a seven thousand year domain
Day 7 - The day of rest

....

Not actually what God's Word shows.

To properly understand the events of Genesis 1 about God's creation, going into the Hebrew is essential.

Gen 1:1-2
1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
KJV

Verse 1 is about God's original creation of the heavens and the earth, meaning a perfect creation, NOT one that is in bondage of corruption like today.

Many are not aware of what Apostle Paul covered in Romans 8:18-25 about God having placed His creation in 'vanity', in "bondage of corruption", and the creation seeks a release from it...

Rom 8:18-22
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of Him Who hath subjected the same in hope,

21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
KJV

That above has to mean then, that at some... point, God's creation was NOT... in that "bondage of corruption" state. Isaiah 45:18 confirms this also, because there God says that He did NOT create the earth Hebrew tohu ("without form").

Hard for many to give up their old refrigerators of men's traditions that has worked for them for 50 years or more. Thus it's difficult for them to believe that there was another world prior to Genesis 1:2 which was a perfect creation by God, and a time before Lucifer rebelled, and before death and sin came in.

 

[Simonides]

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