PETER AND PAUL AND THE RESURRECTION AND SALVATION

[Matthias]

We can tell it by what they said

There is only one gospel. If only Paul preached it then Jesus and the others didn’t preach the one gospel.

Paul vs. Jesus and the other apostles is a disaster for the body of Christ.

Jesus and Paul and all of the other apostles preaching the one gospel is salvation for the body of Christ.

 

[Doug]

They had questions about what he was preaching. That’s what the Council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) was about.

Then why did he have to give them his gospel......if they preached the same gospel why would he have to do that....wouldn't they already know it and preach it if it was the same?

You didn't answer this
I asked why would have to Paul to convey his gospel to those who were already preaching the same gospel

 

[Matthias]

that is not recorded in scripture

I don’t understand your comment. The Council of Jerusalem is recorded in Acts 15.

 

[Matthias]

Then why did he have to give them his gospel......if they preached the same gospel why would he have to do that....wouldn't they already know it and preach it if it was the same?

You didn't answer this
I asked why would have to Paul to convey his gospel to those who were already preaching the same gospel

To satisfy everyone that he was preaching the same gospel.

 

[Doug]

I don’t understand your comment. The Council of Jerusalem is recorded in Acts 15.

There is no verse that says they had questions about Paul's gospel in Acts 15

 

[Doug]

To satisfy everyone that he was preaching the same gospel.

No scripture support

 

[Matthias]

There is no verse that says they had questions about Paul's gospel in Acts 15

Acts 15:1-2 explains why the Council took place. They were sent there because there were questions and a decision by the other apostles and elders was required to settle it. Luke provides a broad account of what took place in the meeting.

The Council didn’t decide that Paul was teaching a different gospel. The Council provided a small list of items that they asked Paul to abide by and he did. The content of those items is listed in the letter that was sent (Acts 15:28-29) to the churches.

 

[Matthias]

No scripture support

The Council of Jerusalem is supported in scripture. It is the scripture support. Paul had his day with the Council. Paul didn’t tell the Council that he was preaching a different gospel. The Council didn’t tell Paul that he was teaching a different gospel.

There is only one gospel. They were all preaching it, to Jew and to Gentile alike.

The Council had a special concern about the pagan Gentiles and that concern - which has nothing whatsoever to do with a different gospel - is addressed in the letter that came out of the meeting.

 

[Doug]

Acts 15:1-2 explains why the Council took place. They were sent there because there were questions and a decision by the other apostles and elders was required to settle it. Luke provides a broad account of what took place in the meeting.

The Council didn’t decide that Paul was teaching a different gospel. The Council provided a small list of items that they asked Paul to abide by and he did. The content of those items is listed in the letter that was sent (Acts 15:28-29) to the churches.

I made a mistake in saying Acts 15 I meant to say Galatians 2
You said Paul communicated his gospel to the apostles because they had questions in regard to what he was preaching
I said there was no verse to uphold this

 

[Matthias]

I made a mistake in saying Acts 15 I meant to say Galatians 2
You said Paul communicated his gospel to the apostles because they had questions in regard to what he was preaching
I said there was no verse to uphold this

I’m sure that you’ve read about the Jerusalem Council meeting in Acts 15, probably numerous times. About how long would you say that it takes you to read Acts 15:1-29?

 

[Matthias]

I’m sure that you’ve read about the Jerusalem Council meeting in Acts 15, probably numerous times. About how long would you say that it takes you to read Acts 15:1-29?

It wouldn’t take the average reader very long to read 29 verses of scripture. Even if we were to allow one minute per verse - the average reader wouldn’t require that much time - that would have us reading the entire account in 29 minutes.

How long did the Jerusalem Council meeting last? We don’t know, but would it have lasted only 29 minutes?

Luke gives us only a highlight summary of the proceedings. Are we so stilted in our understanding that we can’t allow for other things to have been said - questions to have been asked and answered; other comments to have been made by the participants - during the meeting?

I’m not big on speculation, and there is a limitation of silence, but it’s not stretching to the breaking point to suggest that the Council meeting lasted for more than 10 minutes.

One of my college professors used to tell us, “Let scripture breathe.”

A Council meeting with questions - even if we don’t know precisely what questions were asked or specifically what answers were given - is reasonable.

Whatever else was said and done at the Council meeting, Luke preserved for his readers the most important elements.

P.S.

There are many details of any and every meeting that aren’t recorded. Luke isn’t providing us with the minutes of the Council meeting.

 

[Matthias]

It doesn’t have to. Fearing God is related to believing the gospel of God.

“Lord, give us men in the pulpit who fear God and think the gospel good enough for anybody and make no apology for preaching it.” - A.T. Robertson

 

[Matthias]

Ancient Christian historians tell us that he (and the others) literally went outside of Jerusalem. What I was suggesting is that even if we choose to close our eyes to them, writing a message to someone is going to someone with the message.

“What happened to the 12 Apostles of Christ while they spread the Gospel around the world?”

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Spokesmen for dispensationalism are teaching newbies that the 12 apostles (and even Jesus himself, the Messiah!) preached a different gospel, that the 12 stopped obeying Jesus, that they didn’t spread the gospel around the world, and that they never even left Jerusalem.

Newbies should look into what happened to the 12 for themselves. The spokesmen for dispensationalism shouldn’t have any objection to that.

 

[Doug]

12 stopped obeying Jesus, that they didn’t spread the gospel around the world

[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

The twelve perceived that the grace of God was with Paul and was working thru Paul to go to the Gentiles........they decided to separate their ministries

 

[Lambano]

I’m not big on speculation, and there is a limitation of silence, but it’s not stretching to the breaking point to suggest that the Council meeting lasted for more than 10 minutes.

I probably took them that long just to read and approve the minutes from the previous Council meeting.

 

[Wick Stick]

The idea that Paul preached a different gospel from Peter and the apostles is nonsense. They both preached Jesus as Christ, crucified for our sins.

Acts 4: Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them ... Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole ... Neither is there salvation in any other.

1Cor 2: For I (Paul) determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

[Matthias]

[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

The twelve perceived that the grace of God was with Paul and was working thru Paul to go to the Gentiles........they decided to separate their ministries

All of them preached the gospel of God, just as Jesus himself did. The grace of God is with all of them.

The grace of God cannot be separated from the gospel of God / the gospel of the kingdom.

To attempt to do so disturbs the preaching of Jesus and the apostles and harms the reader, particularly when the reader is a newbie.

 

[Doug]

The idea that Paul preached a different gospel from Peter and the apostles is nonsense. They both preached Jesus as Christ, crucified for our sins.

Acts 4: Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them ... Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole ... Neither is there salvation in any other.

1Cor 2: For I (Paul) determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Peter and the other apostles did not preach the cross.....please show a verse where they do.....in Acts 4 he is preaching the name of Jesus for salvation.....he preached the resurrection saying Christ was risen to sit on the throne of David in the kingdom on earth promised Israel

[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

 

[Wick Stick]

Peter and the other apostles did not preach the cross.....please show a verse where they do.....in Acts 4 he is preaching the name of Jesus for salvation.....he preached the resurrection saying Christ was risen to sit on the throne of David in the kingdom on earth promised Israel

[Act 2:30 KJV] 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

I just provided such a verse, but that's fairly trivial compared to the 4 whole books dedicated to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus that we call the gospels.

 

[Behold]

There is only one gospel. If only Paul preached it then Jesus and the others didn’t preach the one gospel.

A person can only share what they know to share..

So, if a person does not know the Gospel, . then they can't teach it, or preach it.

In Acts 2, Peter, was preaching a water and repentance OT JEWISH concept that is the same that John the Baptist preaches to JEWS.. before Jesus started His Ministry to the JEWS.

Later, after the Old Covenant was ended by the Blood of Jesus, that is the New Covenant, then there was a transition period.. .and that started in the Bible, with the Cross of Christ.
And we when we study the NT, we see that Peter in the beginning of the Acts of the Apostles, didnt have Paul's Gospel, and didnt understand that Gentiles could be saved, and yet, he had entered the "Time of the Gentiles"..

So, it took some years, after The Cross was Raised, and After Paul was called to be the "apostle to the gentiles"... before all the Apostles were all preaching Paul's Gospel.
By Acts 15, they all had it.