Only One Way to the Father

[MatthewG]

While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life.

Many people out there believe this an unbiblical concept, however God is not limited to a book, and within the contents of the Bible, it is stated.

““But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel after those days,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,” says the Lord. “And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.””
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31‬:‭33‬-‭34‬ ‭NLT‬‬

The Israel spoken of here to me, is the new heavenly abode, Heavenly Jerusalem.

Why do I say this? Because Paul mentions that not all who are of Israel are Israel.

“Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God’s people!”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬ ‭NLT‬‬

How can I say this speak of something different than the material Israel?

“No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭29‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Because it’s a change of heart by the spirit. And people any where out there in the world can look towards God and be changed in their heart, even if they don’t know every single thing about Jesus.

Even so, while people continue to read the Bible and they have read about Jesus and things he had said to the people of his time concerning things they were expected to see, including his return.

The truth remains to be known,

“Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬ ‭NLT‬‬

I continue to believe this the truth, and faith is something needed to be saved to the kingdom of heaven it comes from a changed heart which loves and lives for God, believing in the Lord Yeshua, who died, was buried and raised again on the third day. There are many things people can run across and find answers to themselves and if they lack wisdom they can ask God concerning them.

“If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking. But when you ask him, be sure that your faith is in God alone. Do not waver, for a person with divided loyalty is as unsettled as a wave of the sea that is blown and tossed by the wind.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NLT‬‬

 

[MatthewG]

There are some predications that involves a form of "Preterism" which I do not know all the facets of it, nor anything much about it. I'm just a guy who believes in the fulfilment of Yeshua, was for all the mankind. The form of "Preterism" speaks of "Israel" only as far as the material. The thing, as I shared in the previous post, is that "Not all of Israel is Israel." That is why I delineated the difference between how I can say the "material Israel" is different than those whom are of "Spiritual Israel - or Heavenly Jeruslaem" in my opinion, of course. People can have differences and believe however they want to, but I just do not see "the Material Israel" is all that Paul is speaking of, by and through the blood of Abraham, those of true Israel, was of those of faith.

Which is again why Jesus states:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom. If it were, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish leaders. But my Kingdom is not of this world.”

And why Paul stated:

“No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise from God, not from people.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2‬:‭29‬ ‭NLT‬‬

And the writer of Hebrews stated:

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

25 See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? 26 At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.”[a] 27 The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,

 

[FaithWillDo]

While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life.

Dear MatthewG,
You stated:
While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life.

This is an unscriptural statement. No one can look to God "in faith" unless they have already been given the Holy Spirit - and this gift of the Spirit happens by "his choice" to give it (as you rightly said).

Everything that causes a person to be saved comes from Christ. When Christ is ready to save one of His Elect, He will start them on the pathway to salvation beginning with the Early Rain of the Spirit. It is the Early Rain of the Spirit that will give them a "measure of faith" (Rom 12:3) in Christ. Unless Christ gives a person this small amount of the Holy Spirit, they would never have any faith in Christ.

Most of the world remains faithless because Christ has never called them to be saints by giving them the Early Rain of the Spirit:

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

However, many people in this world are called to be saints. By "his choice", Christ calls a person to be a saint by giving them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With this small measure of the Spirit, they will then have a measure of faith and make a confession of faith when they are presented the Gospel:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

This is only in this way that an unbeliever will become a believer and will enter the church.

At this point in the pathway to salvation, the new believer is an "babe" (1Cor 3:1, Isa 28:9-12) who can only draw milk.

As a babe, they will remain carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted. In this condition, they will be able to "see" (means to understand) Christ's work that He did under the Old Covenant (Christ and Him crucified, 1Cor 2:2) but the spiritual teachings of the New Covenant will remain blurred (Mark 8:15-25). This blurring of the truth is what has produced around 2,000 different denominations/sects of apostate Christianity in the world (places where the blind lead the blind/typed by the tower of Babel).

As an unconverted babe, the new believer will begin their time of waiting for Christ to return with the Latter Rain of the Spirit. This time of waiting is what Paul referred to in the verses below:

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

1Cor 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

1Cor 1:6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you (Early Rain/confession of faith): 7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: 8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end (Latter Rain/conversion), that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

This time of waiting is also used in the marriage analogy when an espoused "virgin" waits for the Bridegroom to return for the wedding (conversion). Paul uses this analogy in his teachings.

It is only after a babe (one who is called to be a saint) is given the Latter Rain of the Spirit will they be converted and become as a little child in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Conversion is the moment of salvation and it happens "through faith". Faith is not what saves a person. Faith is what makes Christ's pathway straight for Him to "come again" and save them. Conversion from being a child of the Devil to being a child of God is mankind's salvation and it only happens by the work of Christ.

For a person to be converted, it requires Christ to give a person both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit, followed by judgment (the Day of the Lord).

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord (to convert chosen babes). Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

After a person is converted, they can never lose their salvation. But as an unconverted babe, they can (and will) fall from being faithful while they wait on the Lord to return to them. This is when a babe will come under the deceptions of Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ and when they will experience a time of "great tribulation". No babe (since Paul's death) can avoid it. For that reason, when Christ "comes again" to those He has chosen (the Elect), He will first pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit upon them. The baptism of the Spirit/Spirit of Truth will restore their faith and heal their spiritual blindness. With their blindness healed, the babe will then see the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15-16) that occurred within themselves when Satan's spirit deceived them and made them "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45). After the person realizes their true condition, Christ will appear and His judgment will fall on them. Christ's judgment will then remove and destroy the spirit of anti-Christ and their own marred and carnal spirit (Great Harlot). This judgement is described in Mat 24:37-41 and in Rev 19:11-21. After this judgment is complete, the person will be converted.

One final point: a babe becomes unfaithful when they mix their own works with faith in Christ to provide for all their needs. The easy test to know if a person is mixing works with faith is when they claim that those who are not saved have only themselves to blame for being cast into the Lake of Fire. But the truth is a person is not saved only because Christ chose not to save them at this time. Their own works played no part in why they were not saved - just as a saved person's own works played no part in why they were saved.

These scriptures apply:

Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. (Notice all the works in this verse are the works of Christ. Mankind has no works of their own to perform for their salvation.)

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

But because Christ loves all mankind and because His Father sent Him to saved the world (1John 4:14), Christ will not stop His work until the last person who has ever lived is saved.

In the final age, when Christ judges the "lost" in the Lake of Fire, Christ will not omit "justice, mercy and faith" from His judgment of them.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Before any "lost" person perishes (the true penalty of sin) during their time of judgment by the Law, Christ will have MERCY upon them by freely giving them both the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit. With the Spirit indwelling them, the person will have the necessary FAITH for Christ to come to them and convert them into a child of God. The newly born child of God will then be gathered to heaven but the child of the devil will remain in the Lake of Fire (a symbol for judgment) until he is destroyed (satisfies JUSTICE).

After the last person of mankind has been converted, this scripture will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

MatthewG, can you accept any of what I stated above as truth?

Joe

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

My statement:
While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life.

I believe this still stands true. Many people limit the ability for God to bestow his spirit upon people.

I’m not someone who believes that Jesus is coming back today. No one has to believe me though and I believed he already got the elect bride of Christ in 70Ad, faithfully.

 

[Bob Estey]

While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life.

Many people out there believe this an unbiblical concept, however God is not limited to a book, and within the contents of the Bible, it is stated.



The Israel spoken of here to me, is the new heavenly abode, Heavenly Jerusalem.

Why do I say this? Because Paul mentions that not all who are of Israel are Israel.



How can I say this speak of something different than the material Israel?



Because it’s a change of heart by the spirit. And people any where out there in the world can look towards God and be changed in their heart, even if they don’t know every single thing about Jesus.

Even so, while people continue to read the Bible and they have read about Jesus and things he had said to the people of his time concerning things they were expected to see, including his return.

The truth remains to be known,



I continue to believe this the truth, and faith is something needed to be saved to the kingdom of heaven it comes from a changed heart which loves and lives for God, believing in the Lord Yeshua, who died, was buried and raised again on the third day. There are many things people can run across and find answers to themselves and if they lack wisdom they can ask God concerning them.

I would think the quickest way to the Father is through prayer.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

My statement:
While I do believe people who may not know everything about Jesus and they look to God in faith, he by his choice will give them the Holy Spirit, and in the end of life come to know the one whom had gave them new life.

I believe this still stands true. Many people limit the ability for God to bestow his spirit upon people.

I’m not someone who believes that Jesus is coming back today. No one has to believe me though and I believed he already got the elect bride of Christ in 70Ad, faithfully.

Dear MatthewG,
Your statement says that a person can "look to God in faith" without the Holy Spirit indwelling them, however, scripture says that mankind has no such ability. You then say that when a person does the impossible of looking to God in faith, that God will then decide by His own choosing whether or not to give them the Holy Spirit. This too is contradicted by scripture.

Like others who limit God's ability to bestow the Holy Spirit, you, too, are limiting Him. Can't you see that?

As for your last statement on Christ having already received the Bride of Christ in 70 A.D., it makes no sense and has no scriptural support. If scripture doesn't teach it, you should not accept it has truth.

1Cor 4:6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

The events of 70 A.D. are not taught anywhere in scripture. If you believe those events are taught in scripture, you are misunderstanding what they are actually teaching.

All the Elect of this age (both Jew and Gentile) become the Bride of Christ upon their moment of conversion. If you understood the marriage analogy that Christ uses to teach the pathway to salvation, you would know this to be true.

As for your belief that Christ is not coming back today, scripture contradicts you. Christ's second coming is stated to be a reoccurring spiritual event when Christ comes to convert each of His Elect. His second coming first happened to the 120 Jewish Elect on the Day of Pentecost and it has been happening over and over again in all the lives of the Elect throughout this age.

Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne...

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

If you can't support your beliefs with scripture, you should reject those beliefs and ask Christ to open your eyes to the truth. Truth is given to a person no other way.

Joe

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

You’re more than to welcome to interject all you like. You can’t stop God from communicating through to people. And he will bestow his Holy Spirit within their heart.

Thank you for your efforts but people should understand, I have to make up my own mind, and decide for myself.

I just go by this scripture here.

People are able to see there is God above them, but it’s up to them to believe and when they do. God will bestow his spirit upon them in their heart.

“The heavens proclaim the glory of God. The skies display his craftsmanship. Day after day they continue to speak; night after night they make him known. They speak without a sound or word; their voice is never heard. Yet their message has gone throughout the earth, and their words to all the world. God has made a home in the heavens for the sun.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭19‬:‭1‬-‭4‬ ‭NLT‬‬

““The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the Lord. “But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel after those days,” says the Lord. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,” says the Lord. “And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.””
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31‬:‭31‬-‭34‬ ‭NLT‬‬

“And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭6‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Whether or not these scriptures viable one must choose for oneself.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

You’re more than to welcome to interject all you like. You can’t stop God from communicating through to people. And he will bestow his Holy Spirit within their heart.

Thank you for your efforts but people should understand, I have to make up my own mind, and decide for myself.

I just go by this scripture here.

People are able to see there is God above them, but it’s up to them to believe and when they do. God will bestow his spirit upon them in their heart.








Whether or not these scriptures viable one must choose for oneself.

Dear MatthewG,
You said:
Thank you for your efforts but people should understand, I have to make up my own mind, and decide for myself.

What you stated is exactly right but you must realize that truth is only given to a person by Christ and at a time of His choosing. You have no ability to understand Christ's New Covenant teachings until Christ decides & acts to give it to you.

Consider these scriptures:

Jer 33:3 ‘Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

This scripture above must be added to what the scriptures below teach (my comments are in blue):

1Sam 12:17 Is it not wheat harvest to day? (conversion day for the Elect/Wheat) I WILL CALL UNTO THE LORD, and he shall send thunder and RAIN (the Latter Rain); that ye may perceive (have understanding) and see that your wickedness is great (have become a man of sin), which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king.

And this one:

Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 11 If a son (one of the Elect) shall ask bread (truth) of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit (the Latter Rain/Spirit of Truth) to them that ask him?

And this one:

Prov 2:1 My son (one of the Elect), if you receive my words and treasure up my commandments with you, 2 making your ear attentive to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding; 3 yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, 4 if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, 5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.

And this last one:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (the converted Elect who have the Latter Rain). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes in Christ) precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

You said:
People are able to see there is God above them...

You need to read Romans chapter 1 where Paul teaches about the true spiritual condition of mankind. Most people cannot accept that there is a "God above them" because God has given them over to a reprobate mind which denies even the exist of God. But those who do accept there is a God above, they have zero ability to seek Him out or to understand Him through His Word (Rom 3:10). Because mankind is blinded from knowing the true God, Satan (through various worldly religions and the apostate church) is the one that carnal mankind finds and serves as their god. This is why scripture says that Satan is the god of this world.

You then said:
...but it’s up to them to believe and when they do. God will bestow his spirit upon them in their heart.

Mankind has no ability to "believe" in Christ unless Christ gives the person at least the Early Rain of the Spirit. This is what scripture teaches so why do you believe otherwise?

Consider Paul's conversion experience. Paul was on the way to persecute Christians in Damascus and hated Christ. But since Paul was one of the chosen Elect, Christ "suddenly" came to Paul (His temple) on the Damascus Road and gave Paul the Early Rain of the Spirit. Paul then immediately fell to his knees and called Jesus "Lord". Paul then submitted to Christ's authority over Him and asked Christ "what is it you want me to do?". Paul's blindness at that time represented Paul's spiritual blindness.

What happened to Paul must happen to everyone who becomes a "babe" in Christ. It can happen no other way. Mankind has no ability to believe without having been given the Early Rain of the Spirit beforehand by Christ. And like with Paul, Christ does not ask the person for permission to give them the Spirit nor does Christ require them to ask for it. Christ simply gives them the Spirit because of His grace and because the person was chosen to be given the Spirit at that time (there is a season and a time for all things to be done under heaven).

Christ is mankind's God and has the right to do as He pleases - and that includes the right to save a sinful and God rejecting person:

Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

You quoted:
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭6‬ ‭NLT‬‬ “And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.”

Since the "natural man" has no ability to generate any measure of faith in Christ (Rom 3:10, 8:7 & 1Cor 2:14), Christ will come to mankind and freely give mankind the faith they need by giving them the Holy Spirit (both the Early and Latter Rains). By the end of the final age, all mankind will have been given the faith they need to be saved:

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

Because Christ was obedient to His Father, all mankind (all who have died in Adam) will be "constituted righteous" by Christ. It is solely Christ's work to perform. Mankind contributes nothing. This is the true Good News that the church should be proclaiming to the world.

Joe

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

I don't believe you. If you would like to start your own threads, please feel free to do so. I do not seek for your help.

Thank you.

 

[MatthewG]

People are able to choose to believe in God. Saying they can not is seemingly way out there in my opinion. It’s like Adam and Eve didn’t have a choice not to talk to God about the serpent in th Garden. Everyone on earth has a choice, to say people are unable to, is just to far out there to me. However it is a doctrine that exist and it’s nothing new that I haven’t heard.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

I don't believe you. If you would like to start your own threads, please feel free to do so. I do not seek for your help.

Thank you.

Dear MatthewG,
You should not believe me but you should believe the scriptures I quoted.

Scripture says over and over again that mankind does not have the ability to have faith in Christ apart from the Holy Spirit, nor does mankind have the ability to make free will decisions. To believe otherwise shows that the believer has come under the deceptions of the spirit of anti-Christ. Christ says that this coming deception would be so powerful that it would have even deceived the very Elect (the apostles) before they were converted.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

No babe in Christ can avoid experiencing the deceptions of Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. The primary deception of Satan is the teaching that mankind has a natural free will ability to make choices and to have faith in Christ apart from the Holy Spirit. However, scripture strongly contradicts this teaching.

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Deut 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you a heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

If Christ does not come to a person like He did with Paul on the Damascus Road, they will never make a confession of faith. It is just not possible according to what God's Word teaches.

If you don't receive your truth from scripture, you should openly say so in your posts.

Also, I do not usually start threads. I usually just respond to the threads of other members who teach apostate beliefs. Scripture says that I should "speak and exhort and rebuke with all authority" those who do not teach sound doctrine. My comments to you on this thread have been made with this command in mind.

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Your thread is entitled "Only one way to the Father" but the way you are teaching comes from Satan's false gospel. That false gospel teaches a believer to mix their own works with the works of Christ. When a believer accepts this lie, they are committing the one and only sin that a "babe" can commit that leads to a loss of salvation. It is the sin that leads to death. Paul calls it falling from grace. Because this is the only sin that can kill a saint, the apostate teaching of mixing works with faith is the one common teaching of all the apostate churches in the world.

Since you do not want my help, I will no longer post to you on this forum. If you change your mind (Christ changes it for you), I will be happy to help you in any way I can.

Joe

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @FaithWillDo,

Thank you for letting me be. I hope you all the best.

 

[MatthewG]

John 10:1
English Standard Version
I Am the Good Shepherd
1 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.

Jesus speakings here explains truthfully, that anyone who tries to bypass Christ, and tries to get into the Kingdom some other way, is a thief and a robber. I maintain that people who may not know exactly who Jesus is, but faithfully looks to God, will find out in the afterlife who saved their once previously lived life without ever looking faithfully to God. However, in this narrative, one must consider that he is speaking to certain audiences, I believe that he is talking to his chosen apostles here, in the narrative explaining to them, that anyone whom is trying to teach another way of getting into the kingdom they are not being truthful.

John 10:7
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7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

Considering that the Apostles at times because they had yet to receive the holy spirit, that didn't understand Jesus and he explained what he had meant. He is the door, which leads us to getting to the Father in and through faith, and trusting in him, we become children of God, and are adopted into the the Kingdom. He is the door, of those whom are believers.

John 14:4
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4 And you know the way to where I am going.

Jesus speaks of a place that he is preparing, and that he is the way to that place which he was going. He is also the way which we live by and through the spirit of Christ whom resides within the believers in their heart. Not seeking out other ways of going, he is the way.

John 14:6
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6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

A previous verse that I had shared, Jesus is the way to live by, and the truth so that he should be listened to, and the life (he is the only one whom gives eternal life which feeds our soul with spiritual means compared to other means.) No one comes to the Father except by and through him. (this is why I maintain there are those who choose to seek after God in faith, and may not know Jesus exactly, but they can be given the spirit and will find out whom it was whom saved them in the afterlife, they aren't seeking other means to get around God whom knows all things.

Ephesians 2:18
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18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father.

Because of Yeshua, we have access by the Holy Spirit to the Father. We can ask God to help us in our lives, when it comes to our inherently selfish nature.

Hebrews 9:8
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8 By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing

Im not sure when Hebrews was written, but perhaps the second temple was still standing, and it had merits of certain priest going into the holy place, and having sacrifices for sin to be paid for but the people at that day in time rejected Christ and continued onwards in these ways, of the Law which they had worshiped. You could see these are "those whom were trying to get around the gate, and hop over the fence" spoken of earlier in John 10:1. This place would finally be vanquished upon the wrath of God coming down upon them, for not having repented of their sins, and then judged afterward; "Great white throne judgement."

20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh,

There has been a new way of living which is by and through Yeshua, whom gets us to the Most Holy Place, in able to reach Yahavah, by and through the flesh of Christ. (through the death, burial, and resurrection of Yeshua.) Because of his blood, and he being the high priest, he gets us to a place where we can freely commune with God at anytime, any day, either with open mouth, or inner thoughts of the heart praying and seeking God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Dear MatthewG,
You should not believe me but you should believe the scriptures I quoted.

Scripture says over and over again that mankind does not have the ability to have faith in Christ apart from the Holy Spirit, nor does mankind have the ability to make free will decisions. To believe otherwise shows that the believer has come under the deceptions of the spirit of anti-Christ. Christ says that this coming deception would be so powerful that it would have even deceived the very Elect (the apostles) before they were converted.

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

No babe in Christ can avoid experiencing the deceptions of Satan via the spirit of anti-Christ. The primary deception of Satan is the teaching that mankind has a natural free will ability to make choices and to have faith in Christ apart from the Holy Spirit. However, scripture strongly contradicts this teaching.

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

Prov 20:24 Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?

Jer 10:23 I know, Jehovah, that the way of man is not his own; it is not in a man that walketh to direct his steps.

Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.

Deut 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you a heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

If Christ does not come to a person like He did with Paul on the Damascus Road, they will never make a confession of faith. It is just not possible according to what God's Word teaches.

If you don't receive your truth from scripture, you should openly say so in your posts.

Also, I do not usually start threads. I usually just respond to the threads of other members who teach apostate beliefs. Scripture says that I should "speak and exhort and rebuke with all authority" those who do not teach sound doctrine. My comments to you on this thread have been made with this command in mind.

Titus 2:15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Your thread is entitled "Only one way to the Father" but the way you are teaching comes from Satan's false gospel. That false gospel teaches a believer to mix their own works with the works of Christ. When a believer accepts this lie, they are committing the one and only sin that a "babe" can commit that leads to a loss of salvation. It is the sin that leads to death. Paul calls it falling from grace. Because this is the only sin that can kill a saint, the apostate teaching of mixing works with faith is the one common teaching of all the apostate churches in the world.

Since you do not want my help, I will no longer post to you on this forum. If you change your mind (Christ changes it for you), I will be happy to help you in any way I can.

Joe

many now preach a false gospel indeed my friend .
Satan has convinced many of another love which will NOT point to the DIRE NEED to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Remember the words of john
IF any does not recieve the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , HE is calling GOD a liar .
Go back to genesis . What was the one thing GOD had told them not to do or they would die
Yet satan convinced eve saying SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE ................
NOW GOD has sent the SON to reconcile us to GOD
and JESUS said He who believes will not perish but have everlasting life
But he who believes not shall be damned .
AND along cometh that which is of anti christ , made to sound loving , and it says
SURELY ye shalll not be damned if ye believe not . THE THING IS
who we gonna heed , GOD , CHRIST , or lying men and seducing spirits that preach a lie made to sound like love
WHY would satan do such a thing .
BECAUSE as always HE has desired the death of man , its why the serpent convinced them to believe a lie and to eat of that tree .
SO HE GONNA DO ALL to convince many there is no need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST that indeed they will not perish .
WHO is a liar , HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
That which is of anti christ has been at work and by means of deception , by guise of a love NOT OF GOD but of the world ,
IT has made the path to GOD VERY VERY BROAD . But that path LEADETH ONLY TO DESTRUCTION .
KEEP sounding out the one true gospel , keep letting all know YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS the CHRIST .

 

[Marvelloustime]

many now preach a false gospel indeed my friend .
Satan has convinced many of another love which will NOT point to the DIRE NEED to beleive ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Remember the words of john
IF any does not recieve the testimony that GOD gave of the SON , HE is calling GOD a liar .
Go back to genesis . What was the one thing GOD had told them not to do or they would die
Yet satan convinced eve saying SURELY YE SHALL NOT DIE ................
NOW GOD has sent the SON to reconcile us to GOD
and JESUS said He who believes will not perish but have everlasting life
But he who believes not shall be damned .
AND along cometh that which is of anti christ , made to sound loving , and it says
SURELY ye shalll not be damned if ye believe not . THE THING IS
who we gonna heed , GOD , CHRIST , or lying men and seducing spirits that preach a lie made to sound like love
WHY would satan do such a thing .
BECAUSE as always HE has desired the death of man , its why the serpent convinced them to believe a lie and to eat of that tree .
SO HE GONNA DO ALL to convince many there is no need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST that indeed they will not perish .
WHO is a liar , HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , he is anti christ .
That which is of anti christ has been at work and by means of deception , by guise of a love NOT OF GOD but of the world ,
IT has made the path to GOD VERY VERY BROAD . But that path LEADETH ONLY TO DESTRUCTION .
KEEP sounding out the one true gospel , keep letting all know YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS the CHRIST .

@amigo de christo

 

[MatthewG]

Hey guys, thank you for the comments.

 

[MatthewG]

Thankful for the Lord Yeshua, and all he has done for the world. He the way, the truth, and the life. It's important to seek after God faithfully, he will reward those whom do so.

Hebrews 11:1 Faith shows the reality of what we hope for; it is the evidence of things we cannot see. 2 Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation. 3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen. 4 It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering to God than Cain did. Abel’s offering gave evidence that he was a righteous man, and God showed his approval of his gifts. Although Abel is long dead, he still speaks to us by his example of faith. 5 It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.”[a] For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God. 6 And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.

 

[MatthewG]

Not everyone denies, God. There are some people whom faithfully seek after him. Many people put such a crux on the bible, when God is more than just the bible. He is Spirit, and a consuming fire. He can bestow his spirit to those whom seek after him, those who acknowledge the Yahavah, the God above all gods.

Psalm 95:3 For the LORD/Yahavah is a great God, a great King above all gods.

I do still continue to express however, that those whom want to know how to get to the Father, it is through Yeshua. Though I believe God ultimately examines the heart. There are evil and good people that live in this world, some look to God in faith, some deny him. Some see Jesus, and don't want nothing to do with him. Some do not know Jesus, but they look to God, and I believe God knows these things. Because whom are any of us to ever limit the power of God, for Yahavah to speak to all of mankind.

Psalms 19:1
The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.

Whom is the glory of God?

Hebrews 1:3 The Son radiates God’s own glory and expresses the very character of God, and he sustains everything by the mighty power of his command. When he had cleansed us from our sins, he sat down in the place of honor at the right hand of the majestic God in heaven.

 

[Taken]

Only One Way to the Father

Believe in your heart, in the One God sent, on the day you give your body unto death with/for Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for the comment, Taken.