Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Bladerunner]

The KJV is a lousy translation…..the word in Hebrew is “tāmîm” and it is translated “blameless” in other translations, which agrees with the fact that there are no “perfect” people. All are Adam’s seed and inherited his damaged DNA. (Rom 5:12)
Gigantism is not a genetic problem…..Noah’s offspring did not carry perfect genes because they were all Adam’s offspring….

(Strong’s Definitions Legend)

תָּמִים tâmîym, taw-meem'; from H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth:—without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright(-ly), whole.

The KJV translates Strong's H8549 in the following manner: without blemish (44x), perfect (18x), upright (8x), without spot (6x), uprightly (4x), whole (4x), sincerely (2x), complete (1x), full (1x), miscellaneous (3x).

Believe I will stick with the KJV...Happy New Year

 

[David in NJ]

"God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it" (1 Cor. 10:13). In other words, no temptation will be greater than one's ability to resist it, because God is faithful and will provide a way out. As I said, through our willpower and God's assistance we can resist the temptation of evil, and God, as a human, is proof of that.

Post 1,024 UPdated for you

 

[Magdala]

Do you find it ironic T believers do not undestand the very first first of Matthews Gospel?

This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham: Matt 1:1

Such is the deception of those who have a god-man

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Remember when Jesus asked the Pharisees, «Listen to Me. I want to ask you something. According to you, what do you think of the Christ? Whose son is He?»

«He will be the son of David» they reply

«How, then, does David, inspired by God, call Him "Lord" saying: "The Lord said to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for You?'" So if David calls the Christ "Lord", how can the Christ be his son?» (Matt. 22:41-45, cf. Potmg: V5)

As they did not know what to reply to Him, they went away. What is your reply to the question?

 

[Magdala]

Who is faithful to overcome sin = man or God???

DILEMMA = No human can conquer temptation/sin - PERIOD - "with man it is IMPOSSIBLE"

SALVATION = "God is faithful...." = "With God all things are POSSIBLE"

It's through the cooperation of one's willpower and God's assistance that we are able to resist the temptation of evil, as made clear in 1 Cor. 10:13, and God, as a human, is proof of this.

 

[David in NJ]

And I would say much more humble that J. and myself. He was and is a true servant of both man and his God, his Father.

It's a shame that these Bini and Trini -tarians ...miss out on knowing the true Jesus written in scripture and as the Spirit would want them to read and understand him. They are instead constantly wrestling with scripture and even the Spirit to find loop-holes and weaknesses in order to install their pagan hooks of their three not so co-operative and not-so-equal gods as called only one god, not found in scripture.

Now I believe I read that J. as he does change his definitions a lot, now views logos akin to 'world reason' and to the Hebrews use of it as wisdom that employs both a personage to it. What next I wonder is he going to come up with.....

I know HIM who knows me

The WORD that was God in the Beginning became flesh.

HE walked on water just to let you know that your sins will SINK you.

HE healed the sick just so that you can know that HE is the HEALER of our infirmities.

HE raised the dead just so that you can know HE is the Resurrection and the LIFE

HE cast out demons just so that you can know HE is the HOLY ONE from Above

HE rebuked those who thought they were close to God because they said HE has no authority to be equal with God.

HE forgave sins on earth so that you can know HE is Immanuel, YHWH Savior

HE took your sins, and mine, upon His Body so that you can be FORGIVEN and know the True God and Lord Jesus Christ

 

[David in NJ]

It's a cooperation of one's willpower and God's assistance that we are able to overcome the temptation of evil as made clear in 1 Cor. 10:13.

What comes first?
the willpower or God's faithfulness?


Where did the willpower come from???

 

[Magdala]

What comes first?
the willpower or God's faithfulness?


Where did the willpower come from???

Your contention has been with the idea that humans can resist the temptation of evil. As made clear to you by citing 1 Cor. 10:13, it's through the cooperation of one's willpower and God's assistance that they are able to, and God, as a human, is proof of this.

 

[David in NJ]

Your contention has been with the idea that humans can resist the temptation of evil. As made clear to you by citing 1 Cor. 10:13, it's through the cooperation of one's willpower and God's assistance that they are able to, and God, as a human, is proof of this.

What is made CLEAR from the Holy Scriptures is that man is unable to resist temptation and sin apart from God.

Overcoming temptation and sin = "with man this is IMPOSSIBLE"

Overcoming temptation and sin is ONLY thru = "with God all things are POSSIBLE"

 

[Magdala]

What is made CLEAR from the Holy Scriptures is that man is unable to resist temptation and sin apart from God.

Nowhere in Scripture have you found, nor will you find, a verse that says man is unable to resist the temptation of evil. What you will find are verses like this one: "God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it" (1 Cor. 10:13). In other words, no temptation will be greater than one's ability (willpower) to resist it, because God is faithful and will provide a way out. As I said, it's through our willpower and God's assistance that we can resist the temptation of evil, and God, as a human, is proof of this.

 

[Aunty Jane]

(Strong’s Definitions Legend)

תָּמִים tâmîym, taw-meem'; from H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun) integrity, truth:—without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright(-ly), whole.

The KJV translates Strong's H8549 in the following manner: without blemish (44x), perfect (18x), upright (8x), without spot (6x), uprightly (4x), whole (4x), sincerely (2x), complete (1x), full (1x), miscellaneous (3x).

Believe I will stick with the KJV...Happy New Year

That is your choice of course….but there are no “perfect“ people….as in, those who are immune from Adam’s sin. The very reason why Jesus came in the flesh was so that his perfect sinless life could atone for the one Adam lost for us. If Noah had been that kind of “perfect” then he could have died to save us much earlier….the redemption price was set in Eden…..and reiterated in God’s law to Israel….”an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life”…..only a sinless life could pay the price.

 

[David in NJ]

Nowhere in Scripture have you found, nor will you find, a verse that says man is unable to resist the temptation of evil. What you will find are verses like this one:

"God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted above what you are able, but will with the temptation also make the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it." (1 Cor. 10:13)

In other words, no temptation will be greater than one's ability (willpower) to resist it, because God is faithful and will provide a way out. As I said, through our willpower and God's assistance we can resist the temptation of evil, and God, as a human, is proof of that.

@LuxMundi

My first OOPS of the day - what i meant is this "God is faithful" = It all begins with GOD

Humans can NEVER resist temptation and sin apart from GOD

 

[Magdala]

What is the first three words of 1 Cor 10:13

Words that your contention isn't with.

 

[David in NJ]

That is your choice of course….but there are no “perfect“ people….as in, those who are immune from Adam’s sin. The very reason why Jesus came in the flesh was so that his perfect sinless life could atone for the one Adam lost for us. If Noah had been that kind of “perfect” then he could have died to save us much earlier….the redemption price was set in Eden…..and reiterated in God’s law to Israel….”an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life…..only a sinless life could pay the price.

Genesis/Noah and 'perfect' means his genetic created "image of Elohim" remained UNDEFILED from the genetics of fallen angels

 

[face2face]

Remember when Jesus asked the Pharisees, «Listen to Me. I want to ask you something. According to you, what do you think of the Christ? Whose son is He?»

«He will be the son of David» they reply

«How, then, does David, inspired by God, call Him "Lord" saying: "The Lord said to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for You?'" So if David calls the Christ "Lord", how can the Christ be his son?» (Matt. 22:41-45) [Potmg: V5]

As they did not know what to reply to Him, they went away. What is your reply to the question?

Because David knew the promises of God and understood that a Lord (King) would ascend his throne.

He understood that a man would come from his loins!

You understand that right?

David understood that the Messiah would be a descendant from his own line! From his flesh!

Which is why the writer states:

the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David (after the flesh)

And the Glorified Christ while in Heaven at the right hand of the Father on high calls himself what?

"I, Jesus, have sent My messenger (angel) to you to witness and to give you assurance of these things for the churches (assemblies). I am the Root (the Source) and the Offspring of David, the radiant and brilliant Morning Star"

Again, you show "the Gospel" is not known by you?

Why is that?

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BTW, do you think Jesus saying this and not claiming to be God helps you Trinity case or harms it?

 

[David in NJ]

Words that your contention isn't with.

RIGHT = for i have no contentions with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the FATHER and the Holy Spirit

Is it not you who are contending with God in seeking to establish human willpower BEFORE God's Will-Power

 

[RLT63]

Genesis/Noah and 'perfect' means his genetic created "image of Elohim" remained UNDEFILED from the genetics of fallen angels

Yes, it says Noah was perfect in his generations

 

[face2face]

What are the first three words of 1 Cor 10:13

You are perciular treasure David!

You must be good at pruning!

But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it

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[Magdala]

RIGHT = for i have no contentions with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and the FATHER and the Holy Spirit

Is it not you who are contending with God in seeking to establish human willpower BEFORE God's Will-Power

Refer back to post #1,031.

 

[RLT63]

Because David knew the promises of God and understood that a Lord (King) would ascend his throne.

He understood that a man would come from his loins!

You understand that right?

David understood that the Messiah would be a descendant from his own line! From his flesh!

Which is why the writer states:

the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David (after the flesh)

And the Glorified Christ while in Heaven at the right hand of the Father on high calls himself what?

"I, Jesus, have sent My messenger (angel) to you to witness and to give you assurance of these things for the churches (assemblies). I am the Root (the Source) and the Offspring of David, the radiant and brilliant Morning Star"

Again, you show "the Gospel" is not known by you?

Why is that?

F2F

BTW, do you think Jesus saying this and not claiming to be God helps you Trinity case or harms it?

When did Jesus rule on David’s throne? This is what the angel told Mary but when has it happened?

 

[face2face]

Your contention has been with the idea that humans can resist the temptation of evil. As made clear to you by citing 1 Cor. 10:13, it's through the cooperation of one's willpower and God's assistance that they are able to, and God, as a human, is proof of this.

Blue text = truth
Red text = Lies

God cannot be tempted with evil end of story!

Jesus could!

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