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Hello @Lizbeth

Good, it’s because of allowing you freedom. I don’t believe anyone should believe me. Test all things and seek for the truth yourself. All the best. It's not because I do not want to dialogue its because I do not believe you would ever move your position of believing that Yeshua is still to come in the future. That is fine with me for you to continue to believe that, even though I do not, because I believe it happened in the past. Neither one of our views is anything new or different from whats been thought of in the past. That is the only difference between you and me, I believe that the return happened in the past, and you believe it is to happen in the future. Neither one of those views affects the salvation of the Gospel of Christ, and the ability to have a relationship with Yahavah. The views do effect ones personal world view, and that is about all that it does effect. Escatology plays a big role in those categories, and if you aren't gonna believe me, whats the point in dialoguing? That would defeat the purpose of keeping peace and harmony in love with one another by abiding in Christ and allowing Yahavah/God, to deal with us both individually. Most people want people to be "corrected." I am not going to fall in line with whatever one thinks or wants me to believe. That would take away from my liberty in the Lord Yeshua, as you have liberty in the Lord Yeshua...

If you don't understand that, then I am very sorry.
Hope you aren't trying to kill me with kindness. "While promising them liberty....." We are to bring our thoughts CAPTIVE to the obedience of Christ (His word) and become SLAVES of righteousness...true?

I don't know for sure, but I wonder if you are confusing what is already a done deal from heaven's point of view (outside of time) and what has yet to take place from earth's point of view in time. Like the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, even though this didn't happen in the realm of time until the first century.
 

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Hello @Lizbeth,

While I enjoy and love the Bible… the Spirit of Christ is what I go by. I’m not told that I’m wrong by Yahavah (concerning the return of Jesus.) Just by people in their flesh.
 

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Hello @JunChosen

That's not how that works. You can have a whole collective group of people beat me in the head with the bible. It wouldn't change my mind. Quoting scripture doesn't mean anything. It's reading the bible and seeking to understand the content and context that matters... Yahavah would chasten me if I was wrong concerning the return of the Lord Jesus Christ... I would have some type of dread, or a type of having done wrong or something like that... I believe, but just saying I am wrong... doesn't mean anything, sir...

The bible is great! I don't have to quote anything... People need it read to them, some people do read it but don't understand, that is my encouragement for people... is to read to understand it. Not ready to use it to beat people up and say "you're wrong." That's not walking by the spirit of Christ which lives in you.

That's your flesh just deserving to be right. I believe I am right concerning the return having happened, but I'm not prideful in that. I simply share it unrelentlessly and can say it to anyone who disagrees with my explanation of why. Whether they take it to heart or not and seek to understand it themselves all depends on the individual, but they shouldn't believe me, nor should they automatically believe you.

The holy spirit/spirit of Christ is the priority, and is needed in helping people also understand the bible cause anything that is against the spirit of Christ, simply is of the flesh. Nothing more.
 

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Please take time to read this whole post.



First, this is not a message to say "You can sin all you want to!"
Secondly, in my life I have sinned here and there. Yahavah, by the spirit, will correct me. I know instantly when I have done wrong, and there is no doubt about that.
However, even though before I knew what it was which was wrong, I had to learn what that was. After that I didn't need to know about it again because of the holy spirit of Yahavah, reminds us through life.
Thirdly, all sin for all people has been accomplished by the victory of Jesus Christ.


All people are justified before Yahavah - with sin being paid for - their sins have been covered—believer or not.
Meaning all people are able to reach out in faith and gain access to Yahavah due to this victory of Jesus Christ, and Yahavah reconciling the world unto himself through Christ.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Now, this is significant "Justification" because people are now held responsible for their own choices in this life. Good or bad, they are justified because of the death of Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean that all people reach out, and then move forward to the "Sanctification" phase of their life, where Yahavha gives the holy spirit in the heart of a "believer." I believe it comes down to "faith, faithlessness." Those are the only two differences between a believer, and a non-believer though the non-believer is still justified in front of Yahavah.

(I am someone who believes there is an outside of the kingdom, and inside of the Kingdom, and believe that those who choose faithlessness remain on the outside, however their sins were paid for, before they had come to judgement, what was the judgement?

Did you have faith, and did you love. That is the works of God aren't they? To believe on the one whom Yahavah had sent.
Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)
 

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@MatthewG wrote:

All people are justified before Yahavah - with sin being paid for - their sins have been covered—believer or not.
Meaning all people are able to reach out in faith and gain access to Yahavah due to this victory of Jesus Christ, and Yahavah reconciling the world unto himself through Christ.


You are using the wrong word. All people are redeemed before the Lord because of the cross, not justified. Justified is for believers only, whereas redeemed is for all people.
 

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Hello @bro.tan,

I thought the gentiles were told to have faith first, which led to repentance. Gentiles were never born under the law. My flesh still fails, but can you tell me really that Yahavah doesn't have anything to do with me just because my failures?
 

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Hello @Karl Peters,

This whole subject deals with Jesus and his death in all sin having been paid for in front of Yahavah, making all people blank slates. Whether or not they choose to have faith or not is between them and Yahavah.

I get people aren't gonna understand, not many people at all.
 

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Please take time to read this whole post.



First, this is not a message to say "You can sin all you want to!"
Secondly, in my life I have sinned here and there. Yahavah, by the spirit, will correct me. I know instantly when I have done wrong, and there is no doubt about that.
However, even though before I knew what it was which was wrong, I had to learn what that was. After that I didn't need to know about it again because of the holy spirit of Yahavah, reminds us through life.
Thirdly, all sin for all people has been accomplished by the victory of Jesus Christ.


All people are justified before Yahavah - with sin being paid for - their sins have been covered—believer or not.
Meaning all people are able to reach out in faith and gain access to Yahavah due to this victory of Jesus Christ, and Yahavah reconciling the world unto himself through Christ.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Now, this is significant "Justification" because people are now held responsible for their own choices in this life. Good or bad, they are justified because of the death of Yeshua. However, that doesn't mean that all people reach out, and then move forward to the "Sanctification" phase of their life, where Yahavha gives the holy spirit in the heart of a "believer." I believe it comes down to "faith, faithlessness." Those are the only two differences between a believer, and a non-believer though the non-believer is still justified in front of Yahavah.

(I am someone who believes there is an outside of the kingdom, and inside of the Kingdom, and believe that those who choose faithlessness remain on the outside, however their sins were paid for, before they had come to judgement, what was the judgement?

Did you have faith, and did you love. That is the works of God aren't they? To believe on the one whom Yahavah had sent.

I've pondered on that myself. I believe the only thing you missed is the Lord looks at heart and gives a new spirit and the battle is, do we listen to the spirit or do we listen to the soul. We make our choice and so all the Lord needs to do is glance at our heart to see. The Lord has nothing to do with our flesh or our body. All he sees is our spirit.

Christians must begin identifying with their spirit instead of their carnal soul or flesh.
I am not this rusty Nova of a body I live inside of it for now, temporary.

Our spirit is justified before God! Not our flesh. Not our carnal soul. Our spirt alone until we get transformed. So identify with it! I live for the Lord and so listen to the spirit. I am led by the spirit. The Lord no longer sees a sinful flesh but one justified in spirit. For we have been covered by the blood of Jesus! and it is as if, we never committed those sins.

Advice for Christians might be, ok now that you are clean and washed white in the blood of Jesus...try not to accidently sin again because you will stain your spiritual garment!

You can identify these new sins and confess them to the Lord and repent and ask forgiveness, and He will forgive these for His blood covers a multitude of sins!
 

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Hello @bro.tan,

I thought the gentiles were told to have faith first, which led to repentance. Gentiles were never born under the law. My flesh still fails, but can you tell me really that Yahavah doesn't have anything to do with me just because my failures?

When you sin after you have been justified you lose graces upon your life until they are repented of and asked forgiveness for. You should have listened to the spirit and did what He says! He always knows the right thing to do and will accuse you thru your Conscience! So you need to confess that to gain your graces back.

When you let your intellect make the decisions that is from your mind, which is the carnal soul, and it is at that moment that you turn away from God, to make your own decision. That's not being led by the spirit as He instructed you so it cost you something! It hardens your heart and soon if you keep going you lose the protections of the Lord too. If you continue even longer making your own decisions and ignoring your conscience (!!) it sears your conscience and damages it. It makes it hard to hear your conscience until one day, your conscience don't bug you no more! A sad state to be in.

The cure to sin is forgiveness and confession, and next time, be led by your conscience and spirit like He told you too!!
 

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I have never confessed any sin ,since becoming Born Of God’s seed,as I’m no longer a slave to sin, a Born Again does not sin because they have been Born Of God’s seed.

I have only repented once, when God brought me to repentance, ..he has forgiven all of my sins, past, present, future.

I live in the old body of sin, I now live in the new nature of Christ, I am clothed in his righteousness ..only the unrighteous sins.

Nobody is saying we aren’t without sin, as we still live in this old body that was full of sin at one time,
We’re in the new man,Born Of God’s seed, birthed by his Spirit.
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If I do wrong, I certainly don’t repent and ask for forgiveness, why would I do that when my sins were forgiven the night I became Born Of God’s seed.

My conscience is before God if I do wrong, then I ask him to help me not repeat the same mistake...I never repent, I’ve been cleansed by the blood of the Lamb, there is no sin in my spirit, God can’t indwell the heart of a sinner.
 
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Thank you to everyone who has come by to share.

It's a great thing to know that Yeshua has taken care of all sins, once and for all people. Making them blank slates before Yahavah. It seems the only unforgivable sin is saying that Holy Spirit is Evil. Other than it seems people basically pick and choose if they want to have Yahavah involved with them in their life or not.

Whether or not you do, or you do not. It's not for me to judge anyone. It's Yahavah's job to do that, as he is the one who looks upon the heart! Faith, or believing in non-faith, that is people's choice like the people's choice awards they have in the world. God is good, love, patient, a God who chastens those whom he loves, and he desires for us to come to him for all of troubles and issues that we have in life.

If you sin, or if you do not sin, the fact of the matter is your human body is naturally prone to desire to do wrong, through we can do good things, it takes a healer to heal the mind and the heart, from hatred, greed, lust, and abiding in the vine as Jesus says, without him we can do nothing. While some people know Jesus, some people pretend to know Jesus, and some people do not even know Jesus at all... The LORD ALMIGHTY GOD, can reach the hearts and minds by his holy spirit which he gives to the people whom are his, and to me that is a great thing! If you learn the bible it talks about laying down our own ways, our human natural ways of thinking, and to start thinking about Yahavah and his will rather than going about some things in our life according to our own ways and will which are can danger, harm, and even take life.

Praise be to the Father, Yahava, and the Son, the begotten Son, the Lord Yeshua, and may we continue day by day to trust and look towards him even as hard as it is for us to bare life in the flesh which can be overbearing, with traumas, situations which are understandable, and troubles and trials that comes from all differing angles of the world which desire to take us out of the holy spirit/spirit of christ, and react in and through the flesh, just as Peter whom had set his eyes of the Lord, and looked at all the problems of the world around him.

With the Lord Yeshua, pulling him up out of those roaring waters, it is him, whom calms the soul, and helps our mind/will/emotions, but so do the old testament stories, have great tellings and spiritual lessons that can be helpful us as well today.

As-salamu alaykum (Peace to you), by the grace of Yahavah, and the fellowship of the Lord Yeshua follow you!

 

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Hello @bro.tan,

I thought the gentiles were told to have faith first, which led to repentance. Gentiles were never born under the law. My flesh still fails, but can you tell me really that Yahavah doesn't have anything to do with me just because my failures?
When Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel he says in John 10: 14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Let's take a look at Peter bring in the first Gentile in Acts 10: There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band, a devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God always. He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, “What is it, Lord?” And he said unto him, “Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter” (Acts 10:1-5)

The angel of the Lord could have told Cornelius all he needed to know about the Lord, but that would have broken the protocol of God. The word of God is in the hands of Israel and can only be taught by the sons of Jacob (Israel). That's why the angel sent Cornelius, which was a son of Japheth (Gentile), to Peter the Israelite. Cornelius sent two of his servant to find Peter. The Lord prepares Peter before the two servants arrived. Let's skip down to the 9th verse.On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of four-footed beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, “Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.” (Acts 10: 9-14)

Peter was on the house top and became very hungry, correct? And the Lord showed Peter all different types four footed beasts, creeping things, and fowls of the air. The Lord told Peter kill and eat, correct? But, what was Peter's responds? "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean." This vision was shown to Peter three times. Note what the 17th verse states. Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made inquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, (Acts 10:17)

Peter knew that the vision had a deeper meaning. So, what was the Lord trying to show Peter? Let's see what Peter's vision was all about. And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and had called together his kinsmen and near friends. And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together. (Acts 10:24-27)

Pay very close attention to the next verse!

And he said unto them, “Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.” Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. 36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) (Acts 10:28, 34,35)

Let's see what else happen in Acts 10: 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Now Paul understood this and he taught the Gentiles on the Sabbath day. Now lets take a look at; (Acts 13:13-15, 42, 44) (v.13) Now when Paul and his company loosed from Pa’-phus, they came to Per’-ga in Pam-phyl’-I-a: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. (v.14) But when they departed from Per’-ga, they came to An’-ti-och in Pi-sid’-I-a, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. Paul went into the church (synagogue) on the sabbath day the seventh day not the first day (Sunday). (v.15) And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (v.42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

The Gentiles didn’t asked Paul to come preach us something different next Sunday. They wanted Paul to preach to them the same thing that he taught the Jews, the next sabbath. Even the Gentiles knew that if they were going to serve the same God that Paul and the Jews (Israelites) served that they would have to serve him on the day that God had set up. (v.42) And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Not the next Sunday but the next sabbath.
https://www.bible.com/bible/1/ACT.10
There's more I could post, but we all have to do the same thing to serve the same God (Jesus). The only thing that's different is Israel were chosen to teach the rest of the son's and daughter's of Adam. Repent and keep this word of God. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19).

This was a direct answer to a direct question, which all of us will do well to take heed to. Anybody can claim to have faith, but actions speak louder than words. Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).
 

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Hello @bro.tan

I don't believe that Revelation has anything to do with us, except the on going picture of Revelation 21, and 22. I don't expect to see Jesus coming back, and believe faithfully he already did. Thank you. I don't live my life on faith of the bible, but faith in the living Yahavah/God whom loves and cares for all who are now able in his reconciliation to get to him. It's all about living by the spirit, and recognizing that it was Yahavah/God through Christ whom reconciled the world to himself.

The commandments are these "to believe on the one whom God had sent, to love God and to love others." I can't even do the latter only Jesus Christ can through me. I can most certainly do the prior, because that is a choice. A choice that is available to all people now because of God had done.
 
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Yes, Jesus paid for every single person's sins when He shed His blood on the cross. However in order for an individual to be justified befopre god, they must receive by faith the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus as the sole payment for their sins. If they do this, then they are justified before God. It is this faith that causes the justification to be placed on a person's account.

Im afraid this is false friend. First, Christ only died for the elect and Justified them Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

And second, they are Justified before God b4 they believe,or have faith, even while they are ungodly Rom
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5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

When they believe,by faith they discover they were Justified by what Christ did for them, soley by His obedience Rom 5:18-19

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
 

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All people are Justified in front of God - even with the sin life they lived.

Sadly... this is false doctrine.

Those that lived in sin who did not put off the old man having put on the new man that was created in righteousness and true holiness... will be turn away by the Lord as being workers of iniquity and will not be allowed in to the Kingdom of God.
 

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Thank you for all the comments.

What I find fascinating is it’s because Jesus paid for sins. He did this on behalf of the world even if they don’t believe it. Therefore people have had their sins paid. Now if they believe or not is up to them.

Similar to when Jesus said “which is easier to say, take your mat up and walk, or that your sins are forgiven.”

I believe all people’s sins have been forgiven. The only thing that simply separates a person from God is whether or not they are faithful.
 

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What I find fascinating is it’s because Jesus paid for sins. He did this on behalf of the world even if they don’t believe it.

He did it only on behalf of His Sheep Jn 10 and they will come to believe it, he will cause them to hear His voice in regards to it and believe Jn 10:15-16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
 

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I don’t think it’s good to sin. Though we do, it’s not good to practice it. Abide in Jesus, and the holy spiti will help in the weakness we have.