Revelation 17:7-18 Who are these guys?

[Douggg]

So you believe that satan has the same power as Jesus to raise the dead?

No, definitely not. Why do you ask ?

God is Who has king 7 killed (Ezekiel 28:1-10) and God is Who brings king 7 back to life (Isaiah 14:18-20).

 

[Marty fox]

No, definitely not. Why do you ask ?

God is Who has king 7 killed (Ezekiel 28:1-10) and God is Who brings king 7 back to life (Isaiah 14:18-20).



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Let’s think about this what was the purpose for god raising Jesus from the dead?

 

[CTK]

The seven heads of the beast are the 7 empires that enslaved the Jews: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA. At the time of John, the first 5 had already lost their power, and the USA had not yet appeared:

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Revelation 17:10)

The 10 horns of the beast are the 10 anti-commandments, each horn is opposite to the corresponding commandment of God.

A harlot is any Christian who loves this world. No matter what denomination they are in.

Please consider the narrative for verse 17:9,


Revelation 17:9

9 “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.

Revelation 17:9 provides a significant development in understanding the symbolism of the seven heads, stating that "the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits." This shift in language from earlier chapters of Revelation, where the seven heads were introduced, highlights a deeper layer of meaning and invites careful reflection.

In earlier chapters of Revelation, the seven heads appear in two contexts. First, in Revelation 12:3, the red dragon is described as having seven heads, ten horns, and seven crowns, representing Satan’s influence over the kingdoms of the earth. This depiction emphasizes the dragon’s dominion and his role as the accuser and deceiver. Second, in Revelation 13:1, the beast from the sea also has seven heads and ten horns, linking it to the four beasts of Daniel 7. These heads represent successive historical kingdoms—Babylon (1 head), Medo-Persia (2 head representing its dual nature as a unified empire), and Greece (4 heads representing its divisions under Alexander's generals)—all will be found to come under the control of Pagan Rome. In both cases, the heads symbolize political and temporal power, with a focus on their opposition to God and their persecution of His people.

In Revelation 17:9, the seven heads are further identified as seven mountains, shifting the focus slightly. Mountains in the Bible often symbolize stability, strength, and prominence. Isaiah 2:2 describes God’s eternal kingdom as a mountain that rises above all others, emphasizing its supremacy and permanence. In this context, the mountains represent the enduring and far-reaching influence of these kingdoms. While the heads highlighted the sequence of their rise and fall, the mountains emphasize their geographical and cultural scope, as well as their continued legacy, even after their dominion has ended.

This shift to mountains also aligns with the broader narrative of rebellion against God. The kingdoms represented by the seven heads—Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece—were not only political powers but also spiritual systems that opposed God’s authority. Daniel 7:12 mentions that while their dominion was taken away, their lives were prolonged for a season and a time. This suggests that their influence persisted, even as their direct control ended. By identifying the seven heads as mountains, the text underscores the expansive reach and enduring impact of these kingdoms, particularly as they were absorbed into the vast empire of Pagan Rome. Pagan Rome, as the fourth beast in Daniel’s vision, inherited the territories of the earlier kingdoms and expanded further, incorporating the lands divided among Alexander the Great’s generals. This broader territorial footprint makes the symbol of mountains especially fitting, as it captures both the physical and spiritual scope of these powers.

The narrative deepens further by introducing the harlot’s position atop these mountains. This imagery conveys that the harlot—representing the papacy—exerts influence over these historical kingdoms, using their power to perpetuate spiritual corruption. After Pagan Rome’s demise, (Daniel 7:11) the harlot emerges atop the beast, symbolizing her reliance on the systems and territories of these prior kingdoms to expand her authority. Papal Rome, as the continuation of the fourth beast, inherited the vast dominion of Pagan Rome and adapted its political power into a spiritual-political hybrid, strengthening its reach and control. This tragic alliance between spiritual unfaithfulness and political dominance underscores the global impact of the harlot’s actions, extending the cyclical nature of rebellion against God.

The use of mountains also serves a spiritual purpose. It contrasts these rebellious kingdoms with God’s eternal mountain, as described in Daniel 2:35. While the kingdoms of the world rise and fall, God’s kingdom is eternal and unshakable. The seven mountains represent worldly powers that have stood in opposition to God’s plan, while also setting the stage for the ultimate triumph of His kingdom. By describing the seven heads as mountains, Revelation 17:9 provides a richer understanding of their role in the narrative. It highlights their dual nature as historical kingdoms and enduring systems of rebellion. It also emphasizes the harlot’s position atop these mountains, symbolizing her reliance on these powers to perpetuate spiritual corruption.

 

[CTK]

The seven heads of the beast are the 7 empires that enslaved the Jews: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA. At the time of John, the first 5 had already lost their power, and the USA had not yet appeared:

And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (Revelation 17:10)

The 10 horns of the beast are the 10 anti-commandments, each horn is opposite to the corresponding commandment of God.

A harlot is any Christian who loves this world. No matter what denomination they are in.

Please consider the narrative for verse 17:10.... I will be working on verse 11 along these same thoughts....


Revelation 17:10

10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.

Revelation 17:10 introduces us to another layer of symbolism by describing "seven kings." This builds upon the earlier statement in verse 9, where the seven heads were identified as seven mountains. This connection helps establish the timing and context of the seven heads, linking them to the historical period leading up to the cross. While the seven heads and seven kings are not the same, this shift in symbolism allows us to connect both sets of imagery to the same general timeframe, providing a more nuanced understanding of the events and entities described. This phrase signals a deliberate call to discernment, as emphasized earlier in verse 9 with the words, "here is the mind that has wisdom." Understanding these symbols requires thoughtful reflection, as the seven kings are clearly distinct from the seven heads previously mentioned. While the seven heads were tied to kingdoms and dominions, the seven kings focus on specific rulers, adding a new dimension to the narrative.

The seven heads, described in Revelation 17:9 as mountains, serve a dual purpose. They are directly connected to the historical kingdoms outlined in Daniel 7, symbolizing the powers, nations, and peoples that came under Pagan Rome’s dominion. By describing them as mountains, the passage emphasizes not only their territorial expanse but also their persistent influence over time. This symbolism underscores the significant role these kingdoms played in shaping the spiritual and geopolitical landscape before the rise of Papal Rome. These heads symbolize the powers, nations, and peoples that came under Pagan Rome’s dominion. Importantly, Daniel 7:12 notes that while the dominion of these kingdoms was taken away, their lives were prolonged for a season. This highlights how their influence persisted even after their political control ended. The heads, therefore, represent both the geopolitical dominance and the lasting spiritual and cultural impact of these kingdoms.

The seven kings, however, shift the focus from kingdoms to individual rulers who play key roles in the unfolding of God’s redemptive plan. These kings represent the period leading up to the cross and the rise of the harlot (the papacy). The five fallen kings are Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, Cyrus and Darius of Medo-Persia, Alexander the Great of Greece, and the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who came during the reign of Pagan Rome. These rulers include both earthly kings and the spiritual King, Jesus, who inaugurated a new covenant. The sixth king, described as the one who “is,” represents the little horn of Daniel 7, which aligns with the papacy reigning over Papal Rome. The papacy inherited the vast territories and systems of Pagan Rome, solidifying its spiritual and political authority.

The seventh king, described as the one "who has not yet come," represents Jesus Christ returning to fulfill the fall feasts of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles. These feasts symbolize the culmination of God’s plan:

The Feast of Trumpets announces His return and the gathering of His people (Matthew 24:31).

The Day of Atonement marks the final judgment and reconciliation (Revelation 19:11-21).

The Feast of Tabernacles celebrates God dwelling eternally with His people (Revelation 21:3).

The phrase "must continue a short space" refers to the brief period between the Feast of Trumpets and the Feast of Tabernacles, approximately 15 days. This short period highlights Jesus’ focused mission during His return to complete the final acts of judgment, redemption, and restoration. Importantly, this does not conflict with His eternal reign. His brief return to fulfill these specific purposes transitions the world from the age of rebellion to the eternal kingdom. This distinction is supported by passages like Revelation 11:15, which declares that "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever." This verse emphasizes the permanence of His reign, contrasting with the short, purposeful period required to conclude His redemptive work on earth. During this time, Jesus will complete the final acts of judgment, redemption, and restoration, transitioning the world from the age of rebellion to the eternal kingdom.

This narrative also aligns with the role of the 144,000 described earlier in Revelation (Revelation 7:1-8, 14:1-5). During the final 3.5 years leading up to Jesus’ return, the 144,000 will fulfill the last segment of the Great Jubilee cycle. God will remove spiritual blindness from Israel (Romans 11:25-27), enabling them to proclaim the Good News to the world. Their mission will span three Passovers, symbolizing ongoing calls to repentance and recognition of Jesus as the Passover Lamb. The five months before the Day of Trumpets reflect the final harvest season, during which the 144,000 will continue to call people to repentance. However, the actual gathering of souls will be performed by Jesus or His angels (Revelation 14:14-16).

In this way, Revelation 17:10 provides a profound timeline that connects historical rulers, spiritual authority, and the ultimate fulfillment of God’s plan. The seven kings represent distinct phases of rulership, culminating in Christ’s return. The alignment with the fall feasts highlights God’s perfect timing, offering hope and assurance that His promises will be fulfilled.

 

[Stumpmaster]

You are not communicating in an understandable way.

There are seven kings and ten kings on the beast opposed to God.

No problem. The two Beasts of Revelation 13 are both cast into the Lake of Fire, ending the sovereignty of Satan over them on earth. One thousand years later after being released from Abyss the Dragon tries to regain the ground it lost but also ends up in the Lake of Fire. So much for its authority and sovereignty over unregenerate humanity. You can't beat Divine Predestination.

What factors are present in the raising of the false prophet from infancy to infamy one could ask.

 

[Galgal]

Second, in Revelation 13:1, the beast from the sea also has seven heads and ten horns, linking it to the four beasts of Daniel 7. These heads represent successive historical kingdoms—Babylon (1 head), Medo-Persia (2 head representing its dual nature as a unified empire), and Greece (4 heads representing its divisions under Alexander's generals)—all will be found to come under the control of Pagan Rome.

In no way. There is not a single correct explanation for the beasts from the 7th chapter of Daniel in theology. This is due to the fact that none of the Christian commentators dared to declare the terrible beast to be the Christian religion of all three directions: Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism. But in 2 Esdras 11-12 there is a hint that it is precisely the Christian religion that is being discussed. This religion is not at all like the first church. This monster of state religion is a camouflaged religion of Rome, paganism, where instead of Apollo and other gods they adapted Jesus Christ, making an idol out of him.

The first beast in Daniel is Judaism. The second beast is Islam. The third beast is the Eastern religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Shintoism. And the 4th beast is the Christian religion, where at first there were 10 commandments, like horns, and when the “little horn”, Caesar, king or president, stood at the head of the religion, the first three commandments fell out, because they asserted monotheism, and in Christianity God was replaced by the Antichrist.

In Revelation 17:9, the seven heads are further identified as seven mountains, shifting the focus slightly. Mountains in the Bible often symbolize stability, strength, and prominence.

The mountain in the Bible symbolizes a certain teaching, elevation to God. The seven mountains here are the centers of the world that elevate man: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA. People have always strived to where there was comfort. There is another image - "Mount Esau", carnal Christianity, it will be judged by "Mount Zion" - those who gave themselves to God.

Isaiah 2:2 describes God’s eternal kingdom as a mountain that rises above all others, emphasizing its supremacy and permanence. In this context, the mountains represent the enduring and far-reaching influence of these kingdoms. While the heads highlighted the sequence of their rise and fall, the mountains emphasize their geographical and cultural scope, as well as their continued legacy, even after their dominion has ended.

This shift to mountains also aligns with the broader narrative of rebellion against God. The kingdoms represented by the seven heads—Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece—were not only political powers but also spiritual systems that opposed God’s authority. Daniel 7:12 mentions that while their dominion was taken away, their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.

Now the beast of the Christian religion will be destroyed by the Second Coming of Christ. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Shintoism - may remain for some time, although they will lose many of their adherents. But Christianity can no longer exist, because after the resurrection of the first, which most Christians will pass by, this religion will go bankrupt in the eyes of the whole world. All the remnant of Christianity faithful to God will join Israel, they will become Jews, repatriate and unite with the Jews into one people.

The narrative deepens further by introducing the harlot’s position atop these mountains. This imagery conveys that the harlot—representing the papacy—exerts influence over these historical kingdoms, using their power to perpetuate spiritual corruption. After Pagan Rome’s demise, (Daniel 7:11) the harlot emerges atop the beast, symbolizing her reliance on the systems and territories of these prior kingdoms to expand her authority. Papal Rome, as the continuation of the fourth beast, inherited the vast dominion of Pagan Rome and adapted its political power into a spiritual-political hybrid, strengthening its reach and control. This tragic alliance between spiritual unfaithfulness and political dominance underscores the global impact of the harlot’s actions, extending the cyclical nature of rebellion against God.

The harlot is not there, she is here, she is everywhere. Any Christian, when he loves this world, becomes an enemy of God. It does not matter what you call yourself: Catholic or Pentecostal, Lutheran or Jehovah's Witness. The harlot consists of all who love this world, who like plastic cards, like pensions, like medical insurance, like democracy - they are all enemies of God. Because God is building the Kingdom within us, He needs the fruits of the spirit, and not our scientific and technical progress. Humanity is killing itself, following this path. And it would have killed itself, if God had not provided for the destruction of the entire current civilization by building the Third Temple.

The use of mountains also serves a spiritual purpose. It contrasts these rebellious kingdoms with God’s eternal mountain, as described in Daniel 2:35. While the kingdoms of the world rise and fall, God’s kingdom is eternal and unshakable. The seven mountains represent worldly powers that have stood in opposition to God’s plan, while also setting the stage for the ultimate triumph of His kingdom. By describing the seven heads as mountains, Revelation 17:9 provides a richer understanding of their role in the narrative. It highlights their dual nature as historical kingdoms and enduring systems of rebellion. It also emphasizes the harlot’s position atop these mountains, symbolizing her reliance on these powers to perpetuate spiritual corruption.

This paragraph is about nothing at all. This is how AI writes essays, politically correct nonsense.

 

[Galgal]

Please consider the narrative for verse 17:10.... I will be working on verse 11 along these same thoughts....


Revelation 17:10

10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.

Revelation 17:10 introduces us to another layer of symbolism by describing "seven kings." This builds upon the earlier statement in verse 9, where the seven heads were identified as seven mountains. This connection helps establish the timing and context of the seven heads, linking them to the historical period leading up to the cross. While the seven heads and seven kings are not the same, this shift in symbolism allows us to connect both sets of imagery to the same general timeframe, providing a more nuanced understanding of the events and entities described. This phrase signals a deliberate call to discernment, as emphasized earlier in verse 9 with the words, "here is the mind that has wisdom." Understanding these symbols requires thoughtful reflection, as the seven kings are clearly distinct from the seven heads previously mentioned. While the seven heads were tied to kingdoms and dominions, the seven kings focus on specific rulers, adding a new dimension to the narrative.

The seven heads, described in Revelation 17:9 as mountains, serve a dual purpose. They are directly connected to the historical kingdoms outlined in Daniel 7, symbolizing the powers, nations, and peoples that came under Pagan Rome’s dominion. By describing them as mountains, the passage emphasizes not only their territorial expanse but also their persistent influence over time. This symbolism underscores the significant role these kingdoms played in shaping the spiritual and geopolitical landscape before the rise of Papal Rome. These heads symbolize the powers, nations, and peoples that came under Pagan Rome’s dominion. Importantly, Daniel 7:12 notes that while the dominion of these kingdoms was taken away, their lives were prolonged for a season. This highlights how their influence persisted even after their political control ended. The heads, therefore, represent both the geopolitical dominance and the lasting spiritual and cultural impact of these kingdoms.

The seven kings, however, shift the focus from kingdoms to individual rulers who play key roles in the unfolding of God’s redemptive plan. These kings represent the period leading up to the cross and the rise of the harlot (the papacy). The five fallen kings are Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, Cyrus and Darius of Medo-Persia, Alexander the Great of Greece, and the Messiah, Jesus Christ, who came during the reign of Pagan Rome.

Do you seriously think so? The seven kings and the seven mountains are the same: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA. When John wrote Revelation, the first 5 had already lost their power, there was the sixth, Rome. And the USA had not yet appeared at that time. It's very simple. If you write like that, you will be excommunicated, and this will save you. And the rest will now all follow the Antichrist, the inauguration is soon.

These rulers include both earthly kings and the spiritual King, Jesus, who inaugurated a new covenant. The sixth king, described as the one who “is,” represents the little horn of Daniel 7, which aligns with the papacy reigning over Papal Rome. The papacy inherited the vast territories and systems of Pagan Rome, solidifying its spiritual and political authority.

The papacy is no worse than Protestantism.

The seventh king, described as the one "who has not yet come," represents Jesus Christ returning to fulfill the fall feasts of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles. These feasts symbolize the culmination of God’s plan:

The Feast of Trumpets announces His return and the gathering of His people (Matthew 24:31).

The Day of Atonement marks the final judgment and reconciliation (Revelation 19:11-21).

The Feast of Tabernacles celebrates God dwelling eternally with His people (Revelation 21:3).

The phrase "must continue a short space" refers to the brief period between the Feast of Trumpets and the Feast of Tabernacles, approximately 15 days.

There will be a different scheme.

This short period highlights Jesus’ focused mission during His return to complete the final acts of judgment, redemption, and restoration. Importantly, this does not conflict with His eternal reign. His brief return to fulfill these specific purposes transitions the world from the age of rebellion to the eternal kingdom. This distinction is supported by passages like Revelation 11:15, which declares that "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever." This verse emphasizes the permanence of His reign, contrasting with the short, purposeful period required to conclude His redemptive work on earth. During this time, Jesus will complete the final acts of judgment, redemption, and restoration, transitioning the world from the age of rebellion to the eternal kingdom.

This narrative also aligns with the role of the 144,000 described earlier in Revelation (Revelation 7:1-8, 14:1-5). During the final 3.5 years leading up to Jesus’ return, the 144,000 will fulfill the last segment of the Great Jubilee cycle. God will remove spiritual blindness from Israel (Romans 11:25-27), enabling them to proclaim the Good News to the world. Their mission will span three Passovers, symbolizing ongoing calls to repentance and recognition of Jesus as the Passover Lamb. The five months before the Day of Trumpets reflect the final harvest season, during which the 144,000 will continue to call people to repentance. However, the actual gathering of souls will be performed by Jesus or His angels (Revelation 14:14-16).

Nothing of the sort. 144,000 is the number of meetings of believers in the history of the Church. This number of meetings is between us, the current generation of believers, and the Apostles. These 144,000 will be INSIDE the hearts of those who enter the east gate of the Temple: the world will not see the 144,000, the world will see us.

No one will persuade this world. The locusts of the false Prosperity evangelists will drive everyone into denominations to pray for wealth from morning to night. Go to Brandon Biggs' YouTube channel, this is what the world wants, and the world will get it. They will pay 10% to Satan and ask God for Tesla cars. The world will fall into the clutches of the Prosperity religion thimble-riggers. The saints are leaving the pagan nations and will all live in Israel, becoming Jews, one people with the current Jews. And the world will go to hell until it understands, until it sees the example of Israel.

In this way, Revelation 17:10 provides a profound timeline that connects historical rulers, spiritual authority, and the ultimate fulfillment of God’s plan. The seven kings represent distinct phases of rulership, culminating in Christ’s return. The alignment with the fall feasts highlights God’s perfect timing, offering hope and assurance that His promises will be fulfilled.

These are empires. Everyone wants to live in the USA, look at the border with Mexico. Now the USA will receive a mortal wound, the Great Crisis. But the "head" of the beast will quickly heal, because everyone will pray for healing. These are pagans, they do not want the Kingdom of God, they want material goods. And they will continue to build what they built: the kingdom of the beast. And the saints are going to the wedding feast, we will not be in this madness. The wedding feast in the Third Temple of Israel.

 

[Stumpmaster]

This connection helps establish the timing and context of the seven heads, linking them to the historical period leading up to the cross.

Not all Seven Mountain-Head Kingdoms are positioned before Christ's Advent, Ministry, and Sacrifice.

Rev 17:9-10 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; (10) they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.

John the Divine, also known as John of Patmos, is traditionally believed to have received the visions recorded in the Book of Revelation while he was exiled on the island of Patmos. This exile is thought to have occurred during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian, which would place the date around 95 AD.

The reign of the future President Of Planet Earth (POPE) is a short one.

 

[CTK]

In no way. There is not a single correct explanation for the beasts from the 7th chapter of Daniel in theology. This is due to the fact that none of the Christian commentators dared to declare the terrible beast to be the Christian religion of all three directions: Catholicism, Orthodoxy and Protestantism. But in 2 Esdras 11-12 there is a hint that it is precisely the Christian religion that is being discussed. This religion is not at all like the first church. This monster of state religion is a camouflaged religion of Rome, paganism, where instead of Apollo and other gods they adapted Jesus Christ, making an idol out of him.

The first beast in Daniel is Judaism. The second beast is Islam. The third beast is the Eastern religions: Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism and Shintoism. And the 4th beast is the Christian religion, where at first there were 10 commandments, like horns, and when the “little horn”, Caesar, king or president, stood at the head of the religion, the first three commandments fell out, because they asserted monotheism, and in Christianity God was replaced by the Antichrist.

The mountain in the Bible symbolizes a certain teaching, elevation to God. The seven mountains here are the centers of the world that elevate man: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA. People have always strived to where there was comfort. There is another image - "Mount Esau", carnal Christianity, it will be judged by "Mount Zion" - those who gave themselves to God.


Now the beast of the Christian religion will be destroyed by the Second Coming of Christ. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, Shintoism - may remain for some time, although they will lose many of their adherents. But Christianity can no longer exist, because after the resurrection of the first, which most Christians will pass by, this religion will go bankrupt in the eyes of the whole world. All the remnant of Christianity faithful to God will join Israel, they will become Jews, repatriate and unite with the Jews into one people.


The harlot is not there, she is here, she is everywhere. Any Christian, when he loves this world, becomes an enemy of God. It does not matter what you call yourself: Catholic or Pentecostal, Lutheran or Jehovah's Witness. The harlot consists of all who love this world, who like plastic cards, like pensions, like medical insurance, like democracy - they are all enemies of God. Because God is building the Kingdom within us, He needs the fruits of the spirit, and not our scientific and technical progress. Humanity is killing itself, following this path. And it would have killed itself, if God had not provided for the destruction of the entire current civilization by building the Third Temple.


This paragraph is about nothing at all. This is how AI writes essays, politically correct nonsense.

okay and thanks.

 

[CTK]

Do you seriously think so? The seven kings and the seven mountains are the same: Ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, Rome and the USA. When John wrote Revelation, the first 5 had already lost their power, there was the sixth, Rome. And the USA had not yet appeared at that time. It's very simple. If you write like that, you will be excommunicated, and this will save you. And the rest will now all follow the Antichrist, the inauguration is soon.

The papacy is no worse than Protestantism.

There will be a different scheme.

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Nothing of the sort. 144,000 is the number of meetings of believers in the history of the Church. This number of meetings is between us, the current generation of believers, and the Apostles. These 144,000 will be INSIDE the hearts of those who enter the east gate of the Temple: the world will not see the 144,000, the world will see us.

No one will persuade this world. The locusts of the false Prosperity evangelists will drive everyone into denominations to pray for wealth from morning to night. Go to Brandon Biggs' YouTube channel, this is what the world wants, and the world will get it. They will pay 10% to Satan and ask God for Tesla cars. The world will fall into the clutches of the Prosperity religion thimble-riggers. The saints are leaving the pagan nations and will all live in Israel, becoming Jews, one people with the current Jews. And the world will go to hell until it understands, until it sees the example of Israel.


These are empires. Everyone wants to live in the USA, look at the border with Mexico. Now the USA will receive a mortal wound, the Great Crisis. But the "head" of the beast will quickly heal, because everyone will pray for healing. These are pagans, they do not want the Kingdom of God, they want material goods. And they will continue to build what they built: the kingdom of the beast. And the saints are going to the wedding feast, we will not be in this madness. The wedding feast in the Third Temple of Israel.

ok and thanks.

 

[CTK]

Not all Seven Mountain-Head Kingdoms are positioned before Christ's Advent, Ministry, and Sacrifice.

Rev 17:9-10 This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; (10) they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.

John the Divine, also known as John of Patmos, is traditionally believed to have received the visions recorded in the Book of Revelation while he was exiled on the island of Patmos. This exile is thought to have occurred during the reign of the Roman emperor Domitian, which would place the date around 95 AD.

The reign of the future President Of Planet Earth (POPE) is a short one.

ok and thanks.

 

[Douggg]

No problem. The two Beasts of Revelation 13 are both cast into the Lake of Fire, ending the sovereignty of Satan over them on earth

Stumpmaster, the word "sovereignty", to me, implies kingship. Which it then becomes confusing, as to what you write, as there are 7 kings and 10 kings associated with the opposition to God beast. And Satan is not any one of those kings.

Instead of "sovereignty", perhaps use a different expression such as "the influence of Satan"

What factors are present in the raising of the false prophet from infancy to infamy one could ask.

We are not given a lot of information on the false prophet in that regard. He is likely to be very knowledgeable in Jewish religious belief. Some people think that the "Yanuka" (Rav S. Yehuda) could be the false prophet.

 

[ewq1938]

The issue is what has been historic and what is end times.

The seven heads are...
1. the place where the woman sits. (Rome) The woman is the Vatican
2. seven kings associated with that location. They are seven kings of the Roman Empire - the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7.

Why did John see a beast with all 7 heads fully intact and alive rather than seeing 5 dead heads and 2 living heads? If the heads are the 7 consecutive kings of old, then John wouldn't have seen 7 living heads.

If your view was correct, the text would be this way:

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having five dead heads, one dying head, and one head not yet seen but would come eventually, and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his living head the name of blasphemy.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Stumpmaster, the word "sovereignty", to me, implies kingship. Which it then becomes confusing, as to what you write, as there are 7 kings and 10 kings associated with the opposition to God beast. And Satan is not any one of those kings.

Instead of "sovereignty", perhaps use a different expression such as "the influence of Satan"


We are not given a lot of information on the false prophet in that regard. He is likely to be very knowledgeable in Jewish religious belief. Some people think that the "Yanuka" (Rav S. Yehuda) could be the false prophet.

In the Apocalypse the specific use of crowns speaks to sovereignty. No crown mentioned = no sovereignty symbolised. Take it or leave it.

My thinking about the false prophet includes his upbringing and career leading to the same extreme narcissism that Roman Caesars fell prey to.

 

[Stumpmaster]

But Christianity can no longer exist, because after the resurrection of the first, which most Christians will pass by, this religion will go bankrupt in the eyes of the whole world.

The Great Apostasy. The escalation towards it is underway.

 

[Douggg]

In the Apocalypse the specific use of crowns speaks to sovereignty.

Satan is not wearing a crown in the Apocalypse. So it would be inappropriate to refer to Satan's "sovereignty" in any manner. God is sovereign.

Influence, yes. Sovereignty, no. Power, yes.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Satan is not wearing a crown in the Apocalypse.

Depicted metaphorically as the Dragon in Revelation 12 Satan is wearing 7 crowns on his 7 heads.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Crowns symbolise sovereignty.
Heads symbolise control.

We don't read of the Beast from the Sea wearing crowns on its heads which implies the control they exercise is due to the sovereignty of Satan rather than of unregenerate mankind, given that the Beast actualises Satanic tyranny throughout history.

Horns symbolise enforcement, which the Beast exercises sovereignty in with 10 crowns on its horns.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

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[Douggg]

Depicted metaphorically as the Dragon in Revelation 12 Satan is wearing 7 crowns on his 7 heads.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Crowns symbolise sovereignty.
Heads symbolise control.

We don't read of the Beast from the Sea wearing crowns on its heads which implies the control they exercise is due to the sovereignty of Satan rather than of unregenerate mankind, given that the Beast actualises Satanic tyranny throughout history.

Horns symbolise enforcement, which the Beast exercises sovereignty in with 10 crowns on its horns.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Thanks.

Revelation 17
seven heads - no crowns
ten horns - no crowns

Revelation 12
seven heads - crowns
ten horns- no crowns

Revelation 13
seven heads - no crowns. One of the heads mortally wounded/but healed
ten horns - crowns

Your explanation does not work. The seven heads are seven kings. The ten horns are ten kings.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Your explanation does not work. The seven heads are seven kings. The ten horns are ten kings.

Works for when crowns are specified. When they are not specified there is kingship but it is under the sovereignty of the specified rulership, namely the heads of the Dragon, and the horns of the Beast.

 

[ewq1938]

Crowns symbolise sovereignty.
Heads symbolise control.

Doesn't make sense.

Crowns symbolize sovereignty and control. That's what crown and kings symbolized in human history.
Heads symbolize areas of land under the crown's control.