Theosis vs Christlikeness

[ProDeo]

Yes he was sinless

Then why post garbage like :

F2F - Once all know and understand that even in Christ "dwells no good thing!" - evil was always but a moment away and he was in agony everyday till the nature was put to death.

 

[face2face]

@David i

Then why post garbage like :

F2F - Once all know and understand that even in Christ "dwells no good thing!" - evil was always but a moment away and he was in agony everyday till the nature was put to death.

Because you lack understanding, that's why

 

[David in NJ]

Still struggling David

I also said to myself, “As for humans, God tests them so that they may see that they are like the animals. Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. Ecc 3:18

And Paul

8:7 because the outlook (carnal mindedness) of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so.
Ro 8:7.

You are exhibiting a carnal mind in this conversation because you are not able to communicate how God had Victory over this nature in Christ.

I could approach this in a hundred different ways, and each time, you'll respond as if you're groping in the dark.

F2F

Oh No!!!! you outsmuttered me!!!

Now I pray to God that you do no evil, not that we should appear approved, but that you should do what is honorable, though we may seem disqualified. 8For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. 9For we are glad when we are weak and you are strong. And this also we pray, that you may be made complete. 10Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the authority which the Lord has given me for edification and not for destruction.

 

[face2face]

Let's approach this differently, David.

1 Corinthians 15:56-57 says, "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!"

You mentioned that the sting came from the serpent (lifted up on a pole ), and Paul understands that the sting of death is sin. You also agree that Jesus died to sin once, and suffered under death's dominion throughout His natural life.

So, how did God gain victory "through" the Lord Jesus Christ, specifically through His death?

You know from Romans 8:1-3 that sin had to be condemned in Jesus Christ, but how did that happen?

What you need to understand is this: How did God righteously remove the Law of Sin & Death from His Son?

Answer that and you will have the Christ!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Oh No!!!! you outsmuttered me!!!

Now I pray to God that you do no evil, not that we should appear approved, but that you should do what is honorable, though we may seem disqualified. 8For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. 9For we are glad when we are weak and you are strong. And this also we pray, that you may be made complete. 10Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the authority which the Lord has given me for edification and not for destruction.

You never answered what shared weakness you and Christ share?

F2F

 

[face2face]

@David in NJ, just out of curiosity, would I be right in saying there are many questions you either won't answer or can't? Along the way, you've seemed to rely on smugness—could this be a way of easing the pressure?

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

You never answered what shared weakness you and Christ share?

F2F

The Word emptied Himself of His GLORY that HE shared with the FATHER = SAME GLORY

The Word became flesh = made in the 'likeness' of men

Compared to the Spirit, flesh is weak.

Where is Christ now?
What is HE now?
Who are those 24 Elders and angles worshipping at His Feet?
What's with all those Crowns on His Head? = no more thorns!!! = GET IT????????????

 

[face2face]

Then why post garbage like :

F2F - Once all know and understand that even in Christ "dwells no good thing!" - evil was always but a moment away and he was in agony everyday till the nature was put to death.

It's possilbe Pro you have never looked closely at the true nature of Christ which is why your emotional repsonse are such.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Why was he tempted?
What must Christ have had to be tempted?
If Christ couldn't sin did God gain a victory?
If Christ could sin what was the "no good thing" which was potentially in him?

See how you go!

F2F

 

[David in NJ]

It's possilbe Pro you have never looked closely at the true nature of Christ which is why your emotional repsonse are such.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Why was he tempted?
What must Christ have had to be tempted?
If Christ couldn't sin did God gain a victory?
If Christ could sin what was the "no good thing" which was potentially in him?

See how you go!

F2F

yet without sin.
yet without sin.
yet without sin.
yet without sin.

Where is Christ now?
What is HE now?
Who are those 24 Elders and angles worshipping at His Feet?
What's with all those Crowns on His Head? = no more thorns!!! = GET IT????????

 

[face2face]

Compared to the Spirit, flesh is weak.

Okay...

What was weak about Christ's flesh, if he shared it with us as you say?

2:14 Therefore, since @David in NJ shares in flesh and blood, he (Jesus) likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one (Sins power Personified) who holds the power of death (that is, the devil - the false accuser! SIN),

Okay, you and Jesus share the same nature!
You both suffered in that nature's sin's power, which is death! - a dying body!

2:15 and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death.

So did Christ experience this fear of death? Look up Heb 5:7

2:16 For surely his concern is not for angels, but he is concerned for Abraham’s descendants (after the flesh). 2:17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers and sisters in every respect, so that he could become a merciful and faithful high priest in things relating to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. 2:18 For since he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted. Heb 2:14–18.

Do you know what "every respect" means?

Does it mean he was a Hybrid god-man? Or, does it mean he was 100% human in every way from birth to death!

I'll leave it there today....plenty for you to process

F2F

 

[face2face]

yet without sin.
yet without sin.
yet without sin.
yet without sin.

Where is Christ now?
What is HE now?
Who are those 24 Elders and angles worshipping at His Feet?
What's with all those Crowns on His Head? = no more thorns!!! = GET IT????????

You're referring to the victory after the resurrection, right?

What I'm asking is for you to understand the Son of Man!

No doubt you realize what you're doing, but I'm determined to hold you accountable on this one.

You've acknowledged that Christ and you share in a common weakness, and that Christ was crucified in that weakness.

This is progress.

F2F

 

[ProDeo]

No, I don't believe you do because you are unable to explain how God removed the Law of Sin and Death from His Son.

The law of sin and death is the Old Testament Law of God. The Law is holy, just and good, but, because we cannot keep God’s Law on our own, the result is only sin and death for those under the Law. Since Jesus was sinless He fulfilled the Law, there was nothing to remove from His Son only to add glory.

BTW, how nice of you to write Son with a capital.

Do that and Romans 6 will become a living Word for you

F2F

The Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit knew everything in advance before they created us. And yet they did, against a high price, still going on and if you consider all the evil what is done from the beginning till today you might wonder (while knowing everything in advance) why THEY wanted to have us anyway.

 

[ProDeo]

@David i

Because you lack understanding, that's why

Answer in #131 which you ignored.

 

[ProDeo]

It's possilbe Pro you have never looked closely at the true nature of Christ which is why your emotional repsonse are such.

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

All known.

Why was he tempted?
What must Christ have had to be tempted?
If Christ couldn't sin did God gain a victory?
If Christ could sin what was the "no good thing" which was potentially in him?

Please answer #131

Secondly, Christ could not sin, God does not (can not ) sin, not even in the human flesh.

 

[ProDeo]

You're referring to the victory after the resurrection, right?

What I'm asking is for you to understand the Son of Man!

No doubt you realize what you're doing, but I'm determined to hold you accountable on this one.

You've acknowledged that Christ and you share in a common weakness, and that Christ was crucified in that weakness.

This is progress.

F2F

You can not compare people (sinners) with Christ, all your questions have one thing in common, trying to proof that Jesus was just a man like us, not divine. Not going to work.

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler - you would love this interaction with David, he has gone to every verse he knows to discribe Christ, but not one which speaks to his nature.

IDOLATRY reveals itself to be pathological. They cannot admit any verses that don’t support the trinity. Just do laps in what makes them feel good: the word is God, the father and I are one, the Jews said he was claiming to be God, let us make man in our Image, everything in Scripture ‘’points’ to the trinity,’ etc.

Nor of these are trinitarian statements None say Jesus is God. And no verse says it’s important to believe in the trinity. The acceptance criteria is impossibly low; anything suffices. Yet, their reject criteria is impossibly high, non-existent.

I’ve come to realize the Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book in the Bible. Their mysticism is such that they tell themselves it actually focuses on Jesus’ divinity.

 

[face2face]

IDOLATRY reveals itself to be pathological. They cannot admit any verses that don’t support the trinity. Just do laps in what makes them feel good: the word is God, the father and I are one, the Jews said he was claiming to be God, let us make man in our Image, everything in Scripture ‘’points’ to the trinity,’ etc.

Nor of these are trinitarian statements None say Jesus is God. And no verse says it’s important to believe in the trinity. The acceptance criteria is impossibly low; anything suffices. Yet, their reject criteria is impossibly high, non-existent.

I’ve come to realize the Gospel of John is the most anti-trinitarian book in the Bible. Their mysticism is such that they tell themselves it actually focuses on Jesus’ divinity.

Yes, my interactions with David today have led him to open the door to the truth, but he keeps slamming it shut with his delusional, pre-programmed responses.

And now I have Prodeo who is 100 steps behind David.

And this "And no verse says it’s important to believe in the trinity"; I mean surely they get it, surely they can see the Apostles provided volumes of text on Christ's true nature and what do they do? Go and make up a Hybrid nature because the one revealed is not suitable for their god-man!

It was better when this subject was banned at least this willing ignorance wasnt vommited throughout the forum.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Secondly, Christ could not sin, God does not (can not ) sin, not even in the human flesh.

See @Wrangler

This person hasn't a clue about the true Christ! Christianity is so ready for the Lords return and how will he find his house?

In effect what this person believes in the Lords sufferings in the flesh was a mere puppet show with a god holding the strings.

F2F

 

[face2face]

You can not compare people (sinners) with Christ, all your questions have one thing in common, trying to proof that Jesus was just a man like us, not divine. Not going to work.

Not just a man, Pro – The Son of Man.

Do you know what's ironic about that, Pro?

Let's take a step back.

The Son of Man became the Son of God, but you believe in the false doctrine of God the Son.

So, you've shown that you don't understand the Son of Man, which implies you don't truly know the Son of God either. But you seem to be well-versed in the false doctrine of God the Son.

You're really in a mess there, Pro!

 

[face2face]

@Wrangler

@ProDeo has, so to speak, come out by admitting he believes Christ could not sin. What will happen when he realizes that the Lord’s entire life was one continuous temptation from which sin was always possible?

If anyone believes that, are the Lord’s words here insincere? “You are the ones who have remained with me in my trials” (Luke 22:28).

The Greek word for “remained” here means “to stay constantly.”

Now, consider the reverse...

Through the Lord's experience of temptation in sins flesh, he (Jesus) will “stay constantly” with our temptations!

This is why it must be said, that Pro does not understand the true Christ and what he did for them...also Pro does not have a High Priest who was taken from among men.

For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins: who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he (Jesus) himself also is compassed with infirmity. Heb 5:1-2

See the inference?

God raised up a Son from the fallen line of humanity to become a mediator of the things ordained for men in matters pertaining to God.

Christ fulfills every aspect of these verses perfectly.

Pro cannot relate to Christ or the green text because his version of Christ had no infirmity whatsoever .

Wow—consider the implications of this abhorrent doctrine that Pro would willingly abandon a Christ who shared in the same nature, suffered, and yet overcame, to believe that he didn’t suffer at all. Remove the possibilty of sin and you have no temptation

This is, without a doubt, the saddest reply I've written in a long time.

F2F